SEALIFT OPTIONS FOR NIGERIA(I): DAEWOO-BUILT MAKASSAR CLASS LPD ( /- US$50 MILLION)

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55 Responses to SEALIFT OPTIONS FOR NIGERIA(I): DAEWOO-BUILT MAKASSAR CLASS LPD ( /- US$50 MILLION)

  1. beegeagle says:

    MKO Jr..there you are again. Where have you been, buddy? Nice one.

    Methinks it is a CRYING shame that a country like Naija which ‘likes to take Panadol on account of other people’s headaches’ has not found it fit to ramp up her holdings of Mi-17/Mi-171Sh Terminator/Mi-24V/Mi-35P helicopters. There is no excuse for not having acquired a minimum of 24 units of each post-2000. I really scratch my head sometimes and wonder how we do stuff in here.

    South Sudan went out to get Mi-17V5s the other day, including a VIP variant Mi-172, and they paid only $75 million for all TEN units.

    In Nigeria, we want to be in Darfur, Mali, the Niger Delta,on the Jos Plateau, the Far North, Guinea Bissau and in Liberia simultaneously yet we cannot be bothered to put together the required number of RPGs and flak jackets, let alone helicopters. We see those who buy arms for us going to Belarus and returning with a laughable two units of Mi-24V helics..for a very durable airframe which is not undergoing trials! What kind of distasteful joke is that really? Are we Niger or are we Nigeria?

    The sheer glut of surplus Mi-24V and Mi-17 helicopters on the market has ensured that with upgrades, very sound units can be acquired for a mere $4-5 million apiece. We won’t be bothered to do the needful then, when the heat is on we begin to look for how to ‘manage’ as usual? Manage what, when the barest minimum of applicable numbers indicates a deficit?

    Knitted together, the patchwork of active frontlines in the North alone are about twice the size of Great Britain. How many attack helicopters do you need over such extended and active fronts? Between Baga on the Chadian border where RPG smugglers were shot dead this week and the suppressed flashpoint that is Okene, it entails a driving distance of over 1,500 kilometres.

    To be sure, Okene lies EXACTLY 1,504km
    down the road from Baga (Baga-MDGR
    267km, MDGR-Jos 627km, Jos to Okene
    610km). That is how vast the frontline is
    and knitting together the patchwork of
    states and LGs where terrorists have ever struck to form a cohesive and compact territory, it would cover an area equal in size to Iraq at the very least

    CTCOIN operations demand that we need to be at both ends, at Kano, Kaduna, on the Jos Plateau (to cover STF AOR flashpoints in Plateau and Bauchi States such as Riyom, Ta-Hoss,Jebbu Bassa, Barkin Ladi, Kuru, Tafawa Balewa), Gombe, Damaturu, Potiskum, Sokoto, Maiduguri and elsewhere SIMULTANEOUSLY? How many airframes do those call for – attack and utility? A MINIMUM of fifteen units each of Mi-17s and Mi-24/35s, I imagine. How many do our four battalions in Darfur require? At least, six Mi-17s. How many do our two battalions in Liberia where security incidents are now recurring issues near the CIV border require? At least, three units each of Mi-17 and Mi-24. We require a similar number (three units of each) if we really mean to go into Mali. How many are required to support JTF operations in the Niger Delta? No less than six units of each type. We also need to maintain a CTCOIN presence in Calabar given the transnational problem posed by Nigerian-born Bakassi militants in Cameroon.

    It is clear that anything less than 30 units of Mi-24V/Mi-35P and 36 units of Mi-17/Mi-171Sh Terminator would NOT make a dent for our multi-tasking forces yet our masters insist on making token and meaningless acquisitions of two units every three years for airframes which cost next to nothing from a standpoint of relativity? And they later turn around to bemoan insecurity whereas they are the ones who are failing abysmally to provide the necessary werewithal for our forces? Or do the military fund their operations? Even at this late hour, our leaders still have not identified where the gaps crept into our security architecture? Expecting to reap security while sowing abandonment?

    Things are not going to work until this country is conscientious enough to form the good habit of acquiring an OPV, six helicopters, three fighter jets and 50 MRAPs an annual ROUTINE rather than a reactionary gesture in the face of crises – a proactive stance rather than the current fire brigade approach to defence and security.

    Even these would be supplementary acquisitions after a start-up haul of three new OPVs, three decommissioned corvettes, two LPDs, twelve fighter jets, six Mi-171Sh Terminator, six Mi-17V5, six Mi-24V, six Mi-35P and 300 Casspir Mk VIs in ONE hop and signed on one cheque. That would cost about $1.35bn.

    Morocco which have tourist beaches to protect and where the Polisario conflict has been a non-event for 20 years have spent FIVE TIMES as much re-equipping their forces. What is Morocco’s GDP and what is ours? In Angola where the war ended a decade ago, they own about 60 Mi-8/Mi-17s? In Algeria, they own about 90 Mi-8/Mi-17/Mi-171Sh Terminator yet Boko Haram are currently more active than AQIM are. Add to that our own festering Niger Delta conflict, anti piracy and anti bunkering operations?

    And our leaders claim not to know why the country is on fire even as they are not slumbering? Are the defence and security forces supposed to confront these hydra-headed security challenges with catapults and paper kites?

    Come on..what’s all this rubbish going on really? Boko Haram are bringing in more rockets and we joking around making peace overtures? If the 8 RPGs which were seized at Baga this week had been used by terrorists to attack Maiduguri, how many 4WD trucks would those insurgents have knocked out in one battle?

    Please, please..PLEASE, can we just do things (read: ACQUIRE HARDWARE) the way it should be done, even if only between now and 2015, and see if nothing changes,then the nation can go comatose if that does not work?

  2. dismanchild says:

    Damn she’s Beautiful and at a cost of +/- $50M, shes a STEAL. I hope the decision makers are paying attention. The NN needs 2 of these bad girls ASAP.

    Gen Beeg, I read an interesting article online that i’ll like t share with the forum, heres the link
    :
    http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/analysis/features/36614-boosting-nigerian-armys-amphibious-defence-capabilities

  3. jimmy says:

    The best part of this article is them taking the minister OUT ON THE BOAT and making her fire while BEING TRANSPORTED @ 50 KNOTS. This is what i have continously advocated .
    Please TO THE COMMANDERS IN THE AMOURED corps don’t sit supine INVITE THE MINISTERS the PEOPLE WHO PULL THE PURSE STRINGS LET THEM inspect your tanks , let them take a ride , let them pull the trigger FIRING PIN on a t-55, t72, explain to them why YOU NEED BETTER EQUIPPED TANKS.
    Thank you for the article WE are still looking foe the picture of the boats perhaps i will google it.

  4. beegeagle says:

    Type: Landing Platform Dock

    Tonnage: 8400 tons

    Displacement:
    7,300 tons standard displacement
    11,394 tons full displacement

    Length: 122 meters ~ 125 meters
    (for Indonesian version)

    Beam: 22 meters

    Height: 56 meters

    Draft: 4.9 meters

    Decks:
    (Tank Deck); 6.7 meter
    (Truck Deck); 11.3 meter

    Propulsion:
    CODAD, 2 shafts 2 x MAN B&W 8L28/32A
    diesel rated at 2666BHP/1960 kW@ 775 RPM

    Speed: Maximum: 16 knots

    Cruising: 14 knots
    Economy: 12 knots

    Range: 30 days, up to 10,000 Nm

    Endurance: +45 days

    Boats and landing craft carried: 2 x LCVP

    Capacity:

    8 helicopters and 40 infantry vehicles

    Troops: 218 troops

    Complement:
    accommodation for up to 518 persons

    Crew: 126

    Time to activate: 3

    Electronic warfare and decoys:
    2 Bofors 40mm canon,
    2 Oerlikon 20mm canon
    2 MBDA Simbad Missile system

    Armament:
    ‘A’ position: Bofors 40m SAK40/L70 or 100mm

    ‘B’ position: 20mm Oerlikon
    ‘B’ position: 2 x Mistral Simbad

    Aircraft carried: 5 helicopters

  5. yagazie says:

    The Makassar LPD is a beauty, functional and reasonably priced. We need 3 – one for each operational naval command.

    dismanchild thanks for the link to the business day online article on the NA amphibious capabilities. I was particulary heartened by the comments made by the House committee chairman (Army) acknowledging that the millitary has been underfunded. At least it shows that our politicians are aware and acknowledge that there is a funding problem.

    I was also impressed with his suggestion that a percentage of our oil revenue be dedicated exclusively to the millitary. There is a precedent for this. The Honourable member of parliament should look at what happens in Chile – South America.

    Under General Pinnochet, 5% of the proceeds of sale of Chile’s main export- copper, was dedicated exclusively to the purchase of millitary equipment. This continues till today even under a civilian dispensation.

    Thus Chile a relatively small country (population wise) has the most powerfull airforce in South America (comprised mainly of F-16 Warplanes purchased from American and -Dutch surplus stocks. Their navy is also one of the most powerful in South America with Frigates, LPDs (one recently purchased from France) and morden Scorpene submarines . It also has a good naval aviation wing and marine naval commando unit. And they don’t have oil!!

    With all the money that has been embezzled in Nigeria (fuel subsidy scams, pension scams, contract inflation etc) we can definitely afford it. Our millitary has to be on of the best equipped and trained millitaries on the African Continent. Anything less is a betrayal of our men and women in uniform.

  6. beegeagle says:

    Yeah..Daewoo quality. By the way, we could get it for less, reason why I said +/- $50m. The Indonesians acquired theirs for US$37.5m! The General Besson LSV actually cost $32m.

    Realistically, we could get two LPDs – one each for the Western Naval Command facing West Africa and the Eastern Naval Command facing Central Africa. The insular Central Command would get a General Besson LSV. That is just to help our masters who do not really like to free up the purse strings. Like mighty Yagz said, if I had my way I would sweep three units of LPDs without blinking. Na liver.

    Check out the Guinea Bissau situation. Just ONE LPD and a Cat-class ship and that coastline would be off-limits. They do not even need to disembark. Any straying ship would be attacked by the patrol craft offshore or rocketed by a naval helicopter.

    The Makassar would be PRICELESS acquisitions : anti-piracy, offshore patrol, commando assault, littoral warfare.

    Mr President was in Korea last February for the Nuclear Security Summit. We trust that his men have opened discussions for these and two decomm. Pohang corvettes

  7. beegeagle says:

    The Makassar carries TWO units of landing craft comparable to these 12-metre LCVP(Landing Craft Vehicle/Personnel) which is smaller than the 17m Stingray Landing Craft of the Nigerian Army Amphibious Forces.

    The 12m LCVP carries 36 troops.LCVP

    LCVP

    • Rufus Rastus says:

      Whatever landing craft this LPD deploys, dis is not deh .

      This is the orignal, wooden, WWII vintage “Higgins Boat”; the very few that still exist are in museums. I helped service later aluminum versions from the 1960’s and even THOSE are all gone. Most navies that operate large “gators” (alliGators, due to the bow doors on the first generations, replaced by aft well decks in current designs) use either much larger steel or aluminum landing craft or specialized air cushion vehicles (the ChinCom type 071 for example uses ACVs).

      Commercial sources world wide can provide aluminum or fiberglass versions of small landing craft like these, as seen in the photos on this blog of Nigerian riverine forces.

  8. doziex says:

    The Senate should block nigeria’s participation in this ill advised ecowas mission to guinea bissau on the grounds that it is too dangerous, the number of troops are grossly insufficient, and that we don’t have the wherewithal to project and sustain the needed forces.

    What is going to happen is that this 600 man contingent would get into trouble, then it would be left to nigeria to escalate our involvement to forstall an embarrasing rout.

    If you notice, ghana and guinea are eeriely quiet. They have been there done that, and want no part of any wasteful, bloody and expensive engagements that we are all not prepared for.

  9. I am eager to hear wat the government’s response will be to the Guinea Bissau issue…our hands are full for Christ sake!

  10. dismanchild says:

    @Doziex. In my opinion, we HAVE TO get involved in Mali and G. Bissau. This area is under our sphere of influence. We have to take a leadership role and send a clear message that Nigeria is still BIG BROTHER in this region. If the concern is that “we dont have the wherewithal to project and sustain the needed forces” as you stated; the simple solution is to open our FAT wallet and start acquiring the needed equipment and capability to sustain such a force. For Portugal or any other nation except members of ECOWAS to put down this rebellion will be a shame in my eyes. We are the lion in this jungle, anything that wants to run or play has to get our permission or else it will get eaten.

  11. jimmy says:

    The question is not whether we are going to get involved but when we are going to get involved, with what , how long, and what is the long term goal

  12. doziex says:

    @dismanchild, I agree that west africa is nigeria’s backyard(sphere of influence). But I just don’t think nigeria has learned from our mistakes in liberia and sierra leone.

    We are repeating the same mistakes at home, be it the gulf of guinea, the niger delta or in maidugri.
    @Beegeagle, we need to do an expose on nigerian army KIA and causalities in all our wars, foreign and domestic.
    Nigerian governments history of maltreating these heros, upon their return. Our govt’s history of hiding the data of those who made the ultimate sacrifice on nigeria’s behalf.

    The oshodi rehabilitation and resettlement centre and it’s residents.

    The mutiny of wounded soldiers in cairo, designed to embarrass the nigerian govt on their shabby treatment of soldiers wounded in battle.

    Ex US president Jimmy carter’s intervention with medical supplies bought with his own money to treat critically wounded soldiers in the 1998/99 battle for freetown. These soldiers were being buried in secret graves and hidden away from the nigerian press by detaining them in poorly supplied military centres and not taking them to neighbouring civilian hospitals.

    We often sound like warmongers on this blog when we complain about nigeria’s atrocious weapons acquisitions program. But this extremely high rate of KIA and casuality rates can be minimized by a well equiped, well trained armed force.

  13. dismanchild says:

    Gentlemen, the PLAN type 071 Amphibious assault ship should also be looked at by our military planners. Its troop and vehicle transport capacity are very impressive, and it costs about a third of what the US built San Antonio class LPD costs.

  14. Spirit says:

    Fellow patriots,

    The achievement of the Navy ( using, aged,midget,pass-me-down platforms)in combating piracy and oil bunkering within the past one year brings a “bitter-sweet” taste to my mouth every time I read about them on this blog and elsewhere.

    If the NN can constantly engage and arrest oil thieves that are being sponsored by billionaires with the ridiculous platforms and “kwashiorkor-like” budget, IMAGINE WHAT THAT NAVY WILL ACHIVE IF IT HAS MODERN PLATFORMS AND THE MEN ARE WELL MOTIVATED”.

    Let it be known to our politicians “THE BLOOD OF EVERY SOLDIER KILLED, EVERY RATING DROWNED AND EVERY PILOT DOWNED BECAUSE OF YOUR CORRUPT WAYS IS ON YOUR HEADS”

    These patriots have chosen to make the ultimate sacrifice for the fatherland. They “bleed”while you “feed”, they “keep vigil” in the jungle while you “sleep” on your waterbeds, they “workout” while you “hangout”. Yet, you prefer to equip your mansions with Bang and Olufsen rather than give them HUDs/NVGS. You buy ” private jets” instead of protecting the masses with “fighter jets”. You acquire “Limousine” for your girlfriends instead of “Tanks” for the protectors.

    YOU HAVE BROKEN THE MILITARY COVENANT!

    Mend you ways. Fulfill your promises. Lest a greater evil befall the nation.

    • doziex says:

      Oga spirit, I agree with you, but unfortunately, and truthfully, nigeria is cursed with the worst leadership in the world. They simply don’t care.

      While it is shameful for a country with nigeria’s oil wealth to be scavenging the retired fleets of the worlds navies for cheap deals, it is a necessary evil.

      It allows our naval officers, engineers and personnel to get practice and training

      Marrying technology upgrades to refurbished hulls, can provide an effective, almost immediate stop gap measure, while the navy waits 2-3 years for the recently ordered OPVs.

  15. beegeagle says:

    We NEEEEDDD these LPDs. I cannot stress that enough.

    Deewon, Tim, Demola..no comments? Una come look ship abeg!

  16. beegeagle says:

    Methinks we just discovered something potentially great – an attack helicopter -for the soon-to-be-born Army Aviation Wing and the expanding Navy Air Arm?

    Would these rather unknown but very well-armed airframes which carry twelve troops(larger than the Agusta A109 or Harbin Z-9) not be good attack helicopters for the Navy Air Arm – operating from shore bases until LPDs(which are listed for acquisition under the current phase – medium term – of the Navy’s 10-year Strategic Acquisition Plan?

    PZL W-3PL GLUSZEC

  17. Rufus Rastus says:

    This version of the W-3 is pretty new, is not “Navalized” (I.E. Corrosion protection, pop-out floats), and is too heavy for use on THUNDER. Landing copters on ships is a surprisingly difficult business, and maintaining overall competency in more than one airframe drives up costs. It will take time, money, and sorry to say, a few lives lost, to restore (Nigeria once had it with Lynx) a robust Naval Helicopter competency, and I think working with a smaller airframe like the A109 or it’s variants/copies is a better way.

    But if it’s to be used STRICTLY from shore, sure, go for it, but again, the more configurations you have to support the more money, and Nigeria already has attack helicopters that could perform a shore-based naval mission – MI-24/35

  18. Ademola says:

    $50million? Dat is the price of one fighter jet for a 120m, 7000tons displacing vessel. it really is a steal.

  19. Sorry for taking so long to make any contribution I miss u guys a lot one of this days we should organize a party for all beegeagle members so we could all get to meet! I have always being following your blog once again you are all genuine patriots! I concur on the airforce puchasing the SU 35 BM’s they are the best options and not those Chinese death traps be they J10’s, J11’s etc. When I see our army going on deployment in the news in toyota hilux vans not jeeps, vans are what they are I feel embarrassed! On cnn in foreign countries they mock us the toyota PJ cruiser is a better option the pakistanis are thinking of introducing them, apparently they test drove the landrover defenders and found the handling to be not quite good are soilders are not plumbers, carpenters or mechanics to be using hilux vans which as a short life span! We should also do away with the AK’S and introduce the german GHK 3000’s the latest G 3’s it night vision scopes . I want to also commend the navy SBS but we need frigates, crovettes and destroyers so that they can be deployed on them and also subs for them to undertake stealth missions like the navy seals! My suggestion for the toyota PJ cruisers should not be for they armed forces Army, airforce and navy alone they are very durable the should also be used by the police, customs , immigration, civil defense,prisons service and the SSS and NIA the one that those para-military agencies and intelligence organizations are using toyota hilux vans is also very,very embarassing the police should be issued those new uniforms their bosses shouldn’t be the only ones wearing them! But with jack boots, balistic helmets and flat jackets that has pouched on them like the israeli yamman ( elite police units) they also should be issued new riffles the latest GHk 3000’s as well( modern G 3’s) we need to also pile up on helicopters for swift response 600 highly refublished pumas from french and german stocks would be nice and also we need at lest 40 new to fairly used medium to heavy transport planes for peace keeping and intenal security operations

  20. Leopard 2 (900) new to refubished tanks with amphibious capability should be bought, 300 per geo political zone for the army, should be considered a top priority!

    • Ademola says:

      I dont think the positioning of our armour units should be based on geopolitics.the positioning of any unit in the army done considering the vegetation and terrain of the region.
      Northeast: semi desert, armour and artillery.
      Northwest:armour and artillery with a little bit of
      Motorised infantry.
      Southwest:light and mechanized infantry
      South south:motorised infantry
      South east:motorised infantry and artillery

      • In the US that is how it is done ! Remember that some federating units pay more taxes than others! Try closing down a huge military base in a state of the US and see the backlash it would cause in that state and the automatic rejection from those states senators and reps. Are u saying that we in the southwest do not need tanks can those tanks be based in lagos etc doesn’t the us marine us tanks (amphibious if we are to get the support of states of nigeria that poses those resource it is only fair that hardware should be equitably distributed.in england u have the scotish regiment, irish regement, welsh regiment. In india u have the sikh regiments, it state has it’s own military structure. In fact each zone in nigeria should have it’s own NDa , Airforce academy etc that was the politics the north was playing to dominate others may that is why the powers that be today do not care for other segments of the military since overwhelming majority of our bases are up not which was done for tribalistic reasons. I hope I made myself care! As I said when I settle down , I can’t give a time frame but pretty soon we shall start by paying GEJ a vist I knew him when he was acting gov I never knew then that he would be VP then president dasuki is a family friend and senator chris anyawu hope I got the spelling right was part of the pro demo movement. Col gwadabe rtd is like a father too me but I can not put a time frame but soon it would happen

  21. For the SU35BM’s we need 150 new to refubished one 1 squadron per geo political zone for fairness

  22. beegeagle says:

    Rastus, SHORE-based I said. I was not even thinking of any of these for any vessel other than an LPD(this Makassar would carry of those) or from a shore installation. That was why I gave an idea of its size.by saying that it is larger than an Agusta A109e and a Harbin Z9 and if they get these LPDs to replace their LSTs, it is not going to take much to have them navalized. AgustaWestland have already bought over the firm which manufacture this airframe and navalizing a helicopter is not going to take a lot of rocket science for Agusta to accomplish.

    We are thinking naval-owned assets here and the Mi-24/35 are NAF choppers while the Army have trained 40 helicopter pilots preparatory to starting its own helicopter wing. They do not need A109s for that. I do not want to see any chopper arriving for Army duties without a mounted gun ala Mi-24s.

    We own Agusta A109 LUH helicopters which are dedicated military variants yet I have yet to see one with a gun. A military-build heli should come armed is the way I see it yet even for air shows, I have not yet seen one Agusta A109 LUH configured as it should be when on combat missions.

    • Rufus Rastus says:

      Shore-based naval helicopters puzzle me, but I know the Mexicans do it.
      My point was about the economics of support – the fewer classes of assets, the cheaper it is. Low cost airlines tend to standardize their fleet. If the Nigerian Navy also adopted MI-24/35s, the Navy and the Air Force could share logistics – parts warehousing, service depots, etc.
      There are maritime services that make good use of unarmed helicopters; even in “combat” situation, with the right sensors, a helicopter can be used for situational awarenesss, targeting, etc. Even unarmed, the A109s will be very useful in training pilots and ship’s force in ship-helo operations.
      But you are right – if it’s a Tawdry Brawl you are planning for, an unarmed helicopter is worse than useless. And the A109 LUH doesn’t have much weight margin for things like rockets and miniguns, even “fighting” radars. But remember the 10000 All Up Weight limit for the flight deck on THUNDER…. it will be tough to find a usefully armed helicopter within that limit.

  23. beegeagle says:

    Yeah, it is obvious that those are WW II-era GIs and the boat has to be of a comparable vintage. It is merely a graphic representation of boats which can be embarked, not a prescription of that boat type.

    Our flat-bottomed aluminium I-VTEC boats built by Suncraft and better and are able to travel in depths less than 1m. Very sure that there is no comparison between our more modern boats and those.

    Did you just say you were servicing boats in the 1960s or what did I hear, sir? Hmn..anyway, would that have been Vietnam?

    Anyway Rastus, Fleet Admiral Emeritus, tis good to hook up with you again.

    • Rufus Rastus says:

      While I do work with a few fossils who ran LCVPs and LCM-6’s and PBRs in the Mekong Delta, I was working out how to ride my bike to elementary school, and watching the war on TV. The aluminum LCVPs I worked to support were of that VINTAGE, but by the time they were MY problem, they were old and used up.

      • doziex says:

        @Rufus Rastus, speaking of the hopefully mothballed ex brown water navy, mekong delta veteran boats, are they functional ? ala NNS Thunder ? also of vietnam war vintage.

        By “old & used up” , did you mean that the boats are in disrepair ? Sending those boats & other riverine logistics to nigeria for refurbishing, by sale or by gifting, may not be a bad idea.

        Lord knows that the NA amphibious units could use all the logistics & advice they could get, in containing the bunkering & lawlessness in the niger delta.

        We all know it’s just a matter of time before the insurgency resumes. Our armed forces should be using the Truce or lull in violence to re equip & prepare.

        Their (NA’s Operation pulo shield) preparation and military & logistics dominance of the niger delta’s mangrove swamps & riverine communities thru boats,barges, helicopters, FOBs, and amphibious APCs, could actually act as a deterrent to the resumption of the insurgency.

  24. General Beeg sir pls do not be offended that I did not respond to your mails I dey find wetin I won chop . U know I hold u highly! I have have seriously being busy no vex sir !

  25. When I settle down I have in mind to create a pressure group that would put pressure and seriously lobby the National Assembly for not only our military but for also our para-military and intelliegence service as well . Enough is enough!

    • doziex says:

      @kassim, welcome back, long time no hear. Yeah men, creating a lobby or pressure group for national security affairs is a wonderful idea.

      You can use some of your family’s great connects or network, to personalize our collective pro security agenda in nigeria.

      And if things come to fruition, please, introduce Oga president & the senate to beegeagle’s blog.

      So mr. president & honorable senators, I apologize in advance for all the name calling.

      However, it comes with the territory, and is but a small slice of what the rest of the 160 million nigerians are saying about you guys.

      • G8T Nigeria says:

        Nice one sir,but u could start up writing articles on our newspapers. It will not only prompt the highers authorities concerned but educate the citizenry of the need to empower our defence forces. I feel the leg dragging approach is to curtail public outcry on misuse of funds.

  26. gbash10 says:

    I salute all Great Patriots,it seems am late,however,from all the intel on the Makassar LPD and PLA Navy’s Type 071 Amphibious Assault Ship,both of them are very attractive in their capabilities,and so they are damn good !
    I de also tell una,mak we no de look western weapons too much,because dem go continue to do us olunga!yes dem go do.
    Moving on, the NA aviation stuff is very good,now what category of attack helicopter will they induct in to service?hmmm…@Gen Beeg,is the PZL W-3PL attack helicopter different from the Harbin Z-9 attack helicopter? The PZL W-3PL is very attractive to be bought for NA.
    @ Gen Beeg,could please repost the” NAF hunt for air superiority fighter ” so that we would analyse that topic until we exhaust all options and then come to a conclusion!
    We all know that the NAF has never had an Air Superiority Fighter Jet before since its formal creation in 1964.
    Sorry everybody i been absent for some days,but am back on course good to go !

  27. beegeagle says:

    Right on the money, Gbash10. Will have the NAF Air Superiority Aircraft thread pinned to the front page in a matter of minutes. So watch out for it, buddy.

    No, the Harbin Z-9 is a Chinese derivative of the Aerospatiale(Eurocopter) AS365 Dauphin which has been militarised for combat operations. It is smaller than the Polish-made W3.

  28. beegeagle says:

    HARBIN Z-9WA
    (Chinese-built dedicated military variant of the Aerospatiale AS365 Dauphin)

    twin wing-rooted 23mm cannons ablaze

    weapons, baby

    more weapons

  29. beegeagle says:

    Hehehe, fossils indeed, Got that, Rastus. You startled me for a while. I was saying to myself, “surely the Fleet Admiral of the United States cant be 70 and so sprightly – physically and mentally”
    Hey, those PBR, PCF and ’em river gunboats and landing craft, 9m-15m littoral warfare platforms were legacies in their own right. Only those whose countries armies have extensively undertaken littoral warfare – the USA, Nigeria, Sri Lanka – would know what we are on about. What say you about those Arrow Boats of Sri Lanka? Those guys could make small but powerfully armed boats. Their 15 metre Simmoneau IPVs were armed with 23mm cannons. Ditto some of those 6-7m Arrow boats! Unbelievable.

    Yeah..I got the bit about the advantages of economies of scale and horizontal integration which goes with standardisation. Perhaps that is why the NN and the NAF major in Agusta A109e and Agusta A109LUH respectively.I am guessing that the NA would want something slightly larger than the Agusta A109LUH but still smaller than the Mi-24V/Mi-35P or 16-seater Puma (not at all the 24 seater Super Puma – too big).

    The same consideration for lateral integration informed my choice of the W-3 for the NN and NAF. Certainly, those would be too big for ship-borne operations unless and until the NN acquire these LPDs which can conveniently carry 4 W-3s. The alternative is that they are all going to be shore-based.

    HOWEVER, there are two indicators of what the NA might have in mind for its Aviation Wing for now

    – late last year, FLYIT of America delivered a simulator to the NAF which appears to be majorly slanted towards training Eurocopter Fennec pilots. No service branch own Fennec helos at this time. Could that simulator have been brought in to train pilots for the NA and do the NA have the Fennec in view?

    https://beegeagle.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/flyit-ship-simulator-to-the-nigerian-air-force-are-the-as-550-fennec-helics-coming-our-way/

    – last month, the NA stated that the NAF had trained 40 pilots for them. The question now is..did they train on Mil or Agusta as is the case with most NAF rotary wing pilots(most I said, since the NAF also own Puma/Super Puma helics)?

    • tim says:

      I remember a former chief of naval staff, stating the navy was going to take delivery of fennec armed helicopter

    • doziex says:

      Yeah beeg, the polish W-3 could work logistic wise for the NAF, NA & the NN. Look at the airframe, it is basically the old mil mi-8/17, structurally reconfigured by the poles, to fit the puma designs.
      The polish history, as a soviet client state, implies that polish military industrial complex has a historical pro soviet bias.
      So, as they try to morph their weaponry to fit with their new NATO allies, technology hybrids such as the W-3, T-72 & bmp variants have resulted.

      It already has a navalized version named W-3RM Anakonda. Also, FAR-29 refers to it’s US standardization.

      In other words, I believe mil aviation spears would be compartible with W-3 spare parts & engines. As for avionics, that would depend on the chosen western partner.

      • doziex says:

        For the sake of historical accuracy, the w-3 was built by the poles with the licensed produced MI-2 as it’s inspiration.

        It was much later, after the cold war that western standardization commenced.

  30. Forgive some of my mistakes I am using my black berry and the internet service is not that steady. But I hope I made myself clear! That is why for instance national assembly men and women from the south-south may not be enthusiastic about using their oil money to maintain tanks , jets in the north . U also know that there was a time when our military was used to suppress people ! In my opinion 900 leopard is not even enough because as a future super power we may have to open permanent or semi permanent. Military bases in mali, niger, tchad, dafur, south soudan and probably somalia as well as listen and GCHQ posts in those nations 1500 leopard2 PSO tanks the latest and upgraded ones is more like it! 500 SU35BM’s is more like it even aircraft carriers are in other to project power! If a sex industry nation like thailand has aircraft carriers is is not shameful that a giant like nigeria doesn’t. I belive the presido is a good man my mum nows him but as a civilian he may not lnow the real price of all this hardware! Some security chaps are feeding fat on the budget.

    • tim says:

      Kassim I think you going too far, 500 su 35?, 1500 leopards, are you invading. Half of africa? Even russian can’t field so much su 35

      • G8T Nigeria says:

        Quite shocking, we might run bankrupt to maintain them. I strongly desire the Fg acquire 60 SU 35 for just 2.6billion dollars.

  31. beegeagle says:

    Which is/was the official position, Tim.

    In February 2010, the “Defence Reports” section of “Saturday Sun” carried a report which stated that President Sarkozy had given approval for the sale and/or transfer of four large patrol craft(perhaps the series to which the La Rieuse belongs), thirty river gunboats, armoured vehicles(read Panhard VBL) and a squadron of Eurocopter AS-550 naval helicopters.

    Whatever it is that is delaying the deliveries, I would not know. Perhaps MoD are carrying about large files as always. It brings to the fore the issue of completion rate for military projects. The pace is appalling..seriously.

    For instance, the F7 AirGuard came in 2010, five years after news of the contract broke. Same year, a $69m contract for the upgrade of all five G222 planes(with the construction of a hangar at Ilorin and a used G222 thrown in as incentives by Alenia). That, as far as we know, has yet to be carried through to fruition – after 7 years!

    At that same time, an $84 million contract for the upgrade of all twelve Aermacchi MB 339A advanced trainer jets to the contemporary “CD” variant was signed. It appears that this has ONLY just been completed in 2012. The CAS is expected to present a paper on the Aermacchi jets at this year’s International Fighter Conference. Seven years is too long to tarry on a mid-life upgrade programme. Way too long, gentlemen. That is not okay.

    As a matter of balanced reportage, let me however state that the deliveries of the Otokar Cobra and BTR-3 APCs went very smoothly and was not at all convoluted, Same goes for the continuing deliveries of Manta ASD Littoral Interceptors(21 units would have been netted by the end of this year, PLUS two units coming from the Ports Authority – for a grand total of 23 units). The completion rate on the delivery of Agusta helicopters for the NAF and NN has been okay. Ditto the Shaldag Fast Patrol Craft.

    Concerning the OCEA 24 metre CPCs, it is amazing to note that even as they were acquired under the FY 2012 appropriation, sea trials for the vessels had commenced even before the FG budget had been passed. Ain’t no way that we would not be takig diver of the six units of Shaldag and OCEA patrol craft during Q3 2012.

    That deal signposted the kind of efficiency which should go with defence procurement for a nation fighting several wars on as many fronts against terrorists,insurgents,pirates and bunkerers.

  32. beegeagle says:

    Desirable as it is, the Nigerian Armed Forces have never been served the absolutely most advanced products on the shelf. It is beyond the level of commitment which successive FGs have demonstrated. So I do not see the FG forking out the kind of money needed to acquire the Su-35s (like $85m apiece)

    I say again and bearing in mind our known history of being let down by certain suppliers, our need for absolute territorial coverage and meaningful penetrative capability within the region and COST, that our best bet at this moment is to place an immediate order for twelve units of factory-refurbished Su-27s(eight attack and four trainer variants) which could be available for $180m before the end of October. Our pilots can then train, train and familiarise on the product line while the FG place an order for six brand-new Su-30MK2 in 2013 for $300m. Those would then be delivered in 2014, by which time our guys wpuld have mastered the Sukhoi controls having been exercising on the highly credible Su-27. I doubt that there is any variant of the F15 which Nigerians would not welcome and the Su-27 is more advanced than three-quarters of all F15 variants out there. The Su-27 is a 4G jet. About time we kept open minds about this airframe which should be our break-in transaction.

    So we get twelve Su-27s in 2012, place orders for six Su-30MK2s in 2013 and take delivery in 2014. In every year between 2014 and 2016, we take delivery of four units of Su-30MK2s at an annual cost of $200m. By 2016, we would have netted a total of thirty Su-27/30s(eighteen Su-30MK2 and twelve Su-27 jets)without over-stretching the FG budget in any given year on account of these suggested acquisitions.

    By 2017, the Su-35 would have become less pricey and having familiarised extensively with Su-27s and Su-30s, we can then reasonably talk about the Su-35s.

    Except this is not the Nigeria we know for her appalling ability to internalise new technological developments as they emerge, any talk of Su-35s at this time sounds a bit overly hopeful for a coountry which thought F7 AirGuards were an option in 2005 and that, at a time when used MiG 29s and Su27s had been on the market for over a decade.

    We are slow..painfully slow on the draw. Reality checks, gentlemen.

    • tim says:

      I concur if we buy su 35 , it will get to a stage they will be grounded, because of the differences in technological base, unless we want to employ russian contractors for about 5 years to manage and train our airforce technicians ….. Forget about the unmanned vehicles that is chicken shit….. I know of a retired naval officer that more than a decade ago, made a mini helicopter that flies and has controls….. It was in the sitting room of the said officer…. But maintaining an advanced jet……sorry, nigeria is not there yet

  33. Ademola says:

    Depression.

  34. Sorry I meant the toyota FJ cruiser

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