PAKISTAN AIR FORCE CHIEF PLEDGES SUPPORT FOR NIGERIAN MILITARY…VISITS NIGERIAN DEFENCE ACADEMY, AIR FORCE INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY

DAILY TRUST
20 May, 2013

The Pakistani government has pledged to assist the Nigerian military in its task of ensuring security of lives and property in the country. The Pakistani Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt, who was in Nigeria on a familiarization tour to the Air Force Institute of Technology (AFIT) and the Nigerian Defence Academy (NDA) in Kaduna, said Pakistan will assist the NAF where and when needed.

He said his visit is to foster the relationship of the two air forces.“The Nigerian Air Force is a very upcoming air force, it has a lot of influence in the African continent and I am sure, with the cooperation of the two air forces, it will develop further and have more meaningful presence everywhere in Africa and elsewhere. The facilities at the NAF are good and people are willing to move forward. Developing countries like ours are passing through interesting times, so unless we keep up good faces and good cheers we will not be able to surmount our problems. We have to face the economic, militant and terrorism issues, and that is why I am here,” he said.

Responding, commandants of the Air Force Institute of Technology (AFIT) and the Nigerian Defence Academy (NDA), Air Vice Marshall John Oshoniyi and Major General Chukuemeka Onwuamaegbu, said they will do everything possible to ensure that the relationship with Pakistan and Nigeria is sustained.

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18 Responses to PAKISTAN AIR FORCE CHIEF PLEDGES SUPPORT FOR NIGERIAN MILITARY…VISITS NIGERIAN DEFENCE ACADEMY, AIR FORCE INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY

  1. triqqah says:

    With all this show of friendship.. It seems to me that a major arms deal would emerge out of this. E.g acquisition of the new JF 7 multirole fighter which is the backbone of Pakistani airforce!

  2. beegeagle says:

    Yeah, tis a flurry of activities now. In November 2012, Air Marshal Badeh visited Pakistan and exactly six months later, his Pakistani counterpart arrives for a very elaborate tour of training, combat and logistics units.

    Not to mention consistent association of Nigeria with the JF-17 procurement and reports emerging from central Nigeria indicating the same flurry of C130s and trucks bearing containerised and crated materiel and the associated revving indicative of engine tests in much the same manner as was observed in 2010 before the F-7 AirGuard jets went airborne.

    The significance of the particular dalliance with the PAF is not lost on aficionados.

    New jets on the cards? Almost certainly, yes.

  3. Solorex says:

    Sirs,the usual thing is to buy a few trainers as a appetizer before the real meal-the real aircraft. That we will soon buy/receive something from China/Pakistan defense industry seems sure; it might be a trainer(K8/JL-8) or HL-15 . More-so that insurgency seems guaranteed for the next few years;we might want to buy something that doubles as a trainer and a COIN aircraft(seeing that our Alpha jets and L-39/MBB 339 are growing old) for which either of these would be fine.

    I agree that NAF would be a great customer for JF17 and might want the Pakistani made version because it will come with western avionics and radar-components will also undergo double tests and hence it might be regarded as a bit more reliable. I have a feeling that JF17 deal is too big to be done under radar.

  4. beegeagle says:

    K8 out of it in my book and I doubt that the NAF have taken a second look at that airframe. The NAF cannot go from looking to buy L59 Alca to hitting an absolute reverse gear and going for a durable but ‘analog’ K8.

    What is very, very likely to be in the loop, because it is 4G, supersonic and right-priced, is the Hongdu L15 Falcon.

  5. Solorex says:

    Both L15 and Yak 130 are attempts (by China and Russio/Italian companies respectively)to fuse mordern fighter trainer,COIN/Light attack aircraft into one-there had been similar sucees with ealier generation Alpha jets are examples. The main advantages would be reduced maintenance cost for Air forces ( because you can arm your trainers for other missions with good reliability). This is manifested in appreciable range with several hard points and integrated electronics that allows training for the mission and doing the mission.

    There is a lot of similarities in both aircraft (the Concept is basically the same), 4-channel Fly-By-Wires,DEC,HUD and GPS/GLONASS navigation and re-programmable training suite , however the YAK is advertised to update IRS by GPS/GLONASS (the Chinese did not say this about the L15, it might be there)and the L15 is advertised to have large leading edge extensions (LEX) design ( which assures more maneuverability-technically) and has lesser number of hardoints and hence weapons capacity. Finally L15 engines have afterburners which means(technically) more speed and even more rate of climb( can come very handy when avoiding a missile or taking off a short run way).and the L15 is just a bit cheaper than the Yak. web rumors have it that the Yak is built with 4th generation Russian aircraft(Su-30,Su 35…) in mind and the L15 for 4th generation Chinese Aircrafts(j10,JF17,J11…).

    If NAFhas inked a deal for L15 then soon JF17 will definately follow.

  6. beegeagle says:

    Yeah, we are told to believe that both aircraft use the same Ukrainian engine. It is indeed the case that alongside the L59, TA50 and Aermacchi MB346, the L15 and Yak130 are 4G advanced trainers/light attack jets.

    The Chinese L15 is supersonic while the Yak130 is subsonic at about Mach 0.9+. However, what the Yak-130 lacks in speed, it more than makes up for with its operating range(2,500km) which is more than thrice that of the L15 Falcon.

    Same engine – a good starting point for interoperability. So I say, let us do both airframes. Why?

    The nine hardpoints, great range and 3-ton payload of the Yak-130 makes it an excellent option for deep strike COIN operations. I see an aircraft which can, ex Sokoto, hit terrorists at Timbuktu, Gao and Kidal. That is a world record in itself. So it would not be wrong for us to grab EIGHT Yak-130s, fielding four units for strategic COIN assault while reserving four units for training. That would cost us $120 million.

    As for the supersonic Hongdu L15 Falcon, we can grab SIXTEEN units, reserving ten of the jets for training and given that pace is its strongpoint, fielding six units as secondary-line interceptors. Remember that a L39ZA it was which forced down a Ukrainian plane which was ferrying arms to Equato-Guinea a few years ago at Kano? So that haul of L15 Falcon would cost us $160 million.

    Remember this. We have pending deliveries of the Mi-171Sh Terminator and we already fly the F7 AirGuard. So while the Russians assist with spares and maintenance support for the Yak-130, Terminator and hopefully, Su-27s/Su-30s, the Chinese can do same on the F7 and L15 Falcon.

    In all we shall thus end up with a mixed advanced training fleet of fourteen L15(10 units)/Yak-130(4 units) jets while we have a light FGA fleet of ten L15(6 units)/Yak-130(4 units) which adequately meet all the requirements for speed,payload and strike range – all 4G standard.

    Strategically, the truth is that with a little bit of mental stretch, the Russians can support meaningfully on all of the five aircraft types. So can the Chinese. Wonderfully, they would not offer you ‘markedly curtailed’ variants and are not interested in arm-twisting countries on account of previously owned assets acquired from them, based on the whims of activists…something which is very odious about the idea of seeking to acquire defence equipment from the West. That is why I seek neither Rafale nor Eurofighter and never will. It comes with a disproportionately heavy burden.

    • CHYDE says:

      In addition to what you said Beeg,I am of the opinion of striking a deal with Russians such that they could set up a manufacturing Base in collaboration with the Nigerian Govt. Hence one can produce the needed parts within the country generate jobs as well as develop our building capacity like developing and indigenous plane (Same could be done with the Chinese), I came across a website that claimed tat Nigeria hope to have developed its first plane by 2015 ( I don’t know if there is already an arrangement on ground)

  7. beegeagle says:

    YAK 130 – what a panoply of armaments!

    https://beegeagle.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/spotlight-on-the-yakovlev-yak-130-advanced-trainerlight-attack-jet/

    YAKOVLEV YAK 130 trainer/light attack

    – US$15 million
    – 2,500+km combat radius
    – 9 hardpoints
    – 3,000kg bombload

    General characteristics

    Crew: 2 pilots
    Length: 11.49 m (37 ft 8 in)
    Wingspan: 9.72 m (31 ft 10 in)
    Height: 4.76 m (15 ft 7 in)
    Wing area: 23.52 m² (253.2 sq ft)

    Empty weight: 4,600 kg (10,141 lb)

    Loaded weight: 6,350 kg (14,000 lb)

    Max. takeoff weight: 10,290 kg[28] (22,685 lb)

    Powerplant:
    2 × Progress AI-222-25 turbofan
    2,500 kg (5,512 lbf) each

    Performance

    Maximum speed: 1,050 km/h (644 mph)

    Cruise speed: 887 km/h (551 mph)

    Stall speed: 165 km/h (103 mph)

    Range: 2,546 km (1,582 miles)

    Service ceiling: 12,500 m (42,660 ft)

    Rate of climb: 50 m/s (10,000 ft/min)

    Wing loading: 276.4 kg/m² (56.60 lb/sq ft)

    Thrust/weight: 0.78

    Armament
    Nine hard points for a mixed load of all
    types of Russian and western air to air
    (short to medium range) and air to
    ground dumb and smart bombs

  8. Solorex says:

    I think the range stated(2500km) for the YAK 130 is the ferry range,the combat range would be much smaller(obviously lesser than 850km), Its basically a trade off of maneuverability/speed with weapons capacity/safety /proven technology. Big differences i missed out is the fact that the YAK can be fitted with refueling probes(extended range) and comes with Russian Avionics (although the Communication bus as open Architecture and any modern weapon/radar can be integrated-MIL-STD-1553 standard) and there are news that Kevlar amour protection is fitted to the engine(great for coin operation) and engine intake has a mechanism to prevent damage due to foreign object(good for rough runways); the L15 comes with open bus(Chinese standard implementation of MIL STD) and better maximum altitude of 16,000m compared to YAK’s 12,500m .

    I don’t believe that NAF should procure a mixture of trainers/COIN aircraft, it will be too much burden for maintenance, rather NAF should rather buy one type in addition to the three types already in service.

    • CHYDE says:

      @ Solarex, if you ask me i think its time to retire PA ALPHA after decades of glorious service and replace with the SU25 or a combination of YAk130/L-15 Falcon. We

  9. freeegulf says:

    i m a bit biased, in favour of the YAK, but it seems the L15 it is. between 12-18 will be fine for FCU (fighter conversion unit). they can also be used as a stop gap measure for COIN until the procurement of either the JF17 block II or the J10B.

    while a mix of YAK and L15 would have been tolerated (L15 as trainer, YAK as COIN aircraft), i don’t see it happening. it will be a strain on logistics and maintenance. moreover, in the past, we only managed to procure the alpha jet E and never the alpha Jet A from west germany, leaving in theory, the jaguar sepecat as dedicated CAS. in this case, it will be the L15 only, as trainer aircraft, with COIN as secondary features.
    having the 4G aircraft should be a prescedent to acquiring a 4th gen multi-role aircraft.

  10. tim says:

    I think NAF will retire L39,339, alphas at the same period, while introducing a new bird to fill the gAp……. Cos this birds are showing their age, and are becoming death traps.

    • Solorex says:

      Most unlikely that will happen in the next few years, if your are transiting from analogue trainers to 4G trainers, you will need to keep both for few years before discarding the old birds; else a generation of pilot would become less useful. Moreso, we have consistently spent a lot to upgrade them meaning we have plans to use them for at least the next few years and for now they are still the only proven and trusted COIN aircraft we possess and have managed to maintain without much hassles.

  11. ifiok umoeka says:

    No one is taking my concerns regarding operating multiple jets serious. No one is responding to my Mig 35 question either. I know that know one has ordered it yet except the indians with their K variant for the navy(the closest thing to the 35). It new engine, fly by wire, AESA radar open bus arraignment allowing easy integration of weapons, supercruise, high trust to weight and high G load etc makes it ideal. Though it has a shorter leg and carries a lighter load, these differences are minimal. I still think that if we are doing the 17 then we mix it with the 35 but if we want flankers then a strike version of the J10 will make more sense

    • CHYDE says:

      @ ifiok umoeka, I’ve actually thought about this bird and it seems to be good ,according to wiki it’s an improved version of MiG29M. it has a rnge of 2000km and a combat radius of 1000km thats according to Wikipedia, I prefer it to the those Chinese jets. Like i said on another thread, I would like to see a joint cooperation btw the FG and the Russians were planes can be produced locally under the licence of the foreign partners ( similar to what the Indians Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and the Russians are doing). On a general note this birds ain’t in any way bad.

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