TIPPING POINT IN THE NIGERIAN INSURGENCY : MAIDUGURI YOUTH VIGILANTE GROUPS APPREHENDING SUSPECTED BOKO HARAM TERRORISTS ENMASSE , CULPRITS HANDED OVER TO THE JSTF

JSTF troops on the streets of Maiduguri, N.E Nigeria

THE GUARDIAN
12 June, 2013

• Task force explains roads closure in
Borno

IN a joint action, the military Joint Task
Force (JTF) and youth associations in
Hausari, Fezzan and Bulabulin Gwange
areas of Maiduguri have arrested 30
suspected Boko Haram members in
various parts of the metropolis.

Meanwhile, the JTF has said that the two
roads leading to the now destroyed Boko Haram “training camps and hideouts” at Sambisa Game Reserves Forest in Borno State will remain closed to motorists and cyclists to prevent fleeing suspected terrorists from entering Maiduguri metropolis and neighbouring communities. The youths, led by their chairman,Abubakar Mallum and deputy, Isa Musa,carried out the raid in five separate locations.

Speaking on the youths’ role in the arrest of Boko Haram members, Mallum said: “These gunmen have been terrorising us in our respective communities and wards and killed many of our parents, brothers and sisters. They have also caused a lot of violence and insecurity in Maiduguri.

“Please, I want you all newsmen here in
this city to continue to pray for all us who sacrificed our lives in the manhunt of these people in our midst.” He added: “We also thank the soldiers for giving us the moral support in the hunt for these Boko Haram sect members with ordinary sticks and cutlasses since last Friday, when we arrested three of them in Hausari ward with a mock coffin in a pickup van.”

Confirming the youths’ role in the arrest
of suspects in Maiduguri, the JTF
spokesman, Lt.-Col. Sagir Musa, Tuesday
said: “Our men were right there when
these youths alerted them. On reaching the affected area, some Boko Haram suspects were arrested by members of the youths vigilance group in Hausari ward.”

Musa commended the youths for assisting soldiers to arrest these terrorist suspects, adding the youths have also renewed their efforts in supporting the JTF in its current operations.”

The affected roads(closed to traffic) are the 187-kilometre Maiduguri-Biu and 135-kilometre Maiduguri-Gwoza highways linking about 12 communities and a border town with Cameroun. Speaking on the closure yesterday in
Maiduguri, Musa said: “As the military
special force operations are going on, the roads had to be closed to prevent the fleeing Boko Haram terrorists from
infiltrating into Maiduguri and other communities bordering Borno, where
terrorists’ training camps and hideouts
were destroyed last month.”

RELATED READING (a real paradigm shift)

http://tribune.com.ng/news2013/en/component/k2/item/14170-60-boko-haram-members-killed-in-maiduguri.html

http://upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/06/11/Nigerian-vigilantes-seeking-detaining-members-of-terrorist-group/UPI-94551370958827/

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  1. bigbrovar says:

    Interesting development here, It remains me of the role the kamajors militia played in aiding ecomog with much needed locale knowledge of the local terrain and people. It shows the communities have woken up and seen who their real enemy is. I guess that in the end they did realize that Boko Haram has brought nothing but misery and death to their community.

    • Akin Oges says:

      Exactly. All they have done is provide misery and death to the unwitting host communities. Thank God the people are saying “no more!!” with their sticks and machetes. Thumbs up (!!!). I expect our intelligence outfits (NIA, SSS, DIA and DMI) to take the initiative and organise, empower and facilitate these patriotic young Nigerians. Additionally, it will be a proactive opportunity to avoid these good Nigerians become political cannon fodders in the hands of some nasty elite. Therefore, be wise, act quickly: don’t permit a void to set in; strange forces will promptly step in and become their handlers; ensure to channel their collective energy the correct direction and achieve spectacular results through the instrumentality of their local-knowledge.

  2. Kf says:

    Reminds me of the awakening council at the height of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq. This is a defining moment really

    • doziex says:

      YAOWAA !!! I am on record as suggesting this development as a way to gut and undercut boko haram.

      I had said, that NA or SSS had to find, pay, or ally with local groups that are natural rivals to the thugs that make up boko haram.

      They would be sons of the soil, hausa speaking, muslim but just not fundamentalist fools.

      The russians have used chechen nationalists, to defeat chechen fundamentalists.

      The americans, similarly used the nationalist sunni rebels, the sons of iraq and they made quick work of al queda in iraq.

      As I have said offe the iraq and afghan war analysis, should be a must read for every nigerian military officer.

  3. beegeagle says:

    Signs of a return to normalcy:

    * IRS AIRLINES SET TO RESUME FLIGHTS TO MAIDUGURI – Dr Doyin Okupe, SSA Public Affairs to Nigeria’s President on Radio Nigeria Network News, 14 June 2013

    * IMMUNISATION CAMPAIGN RELAUNCHED IN ‘BOKO HARAM TERRITORY’

    http://dailytrust.com.ng/index.php/news-news/56799-immunization-campaign-re-launched-in-boko-haram-territory

  4. cutievik says:

    I guess with this development boko haram is as GONE,DEAD AND BURIED……Good exit from the scene now let FG take over the terrian and bring a wholistic developmental change,orientation and education that would shut the door finally dropping the deadly blow to boko haram mence……………AT LAST ……………THE WIND OF PEACE IS BLOWING OUR WAY.

  5. makanaky says:

    No peace No developmen ! No one will develop an area except its people.
    America will not develop Nigeria except Nigerians do it themselves neither should Kanuri’s expect other Nigerians to develop Potiskum,Maiduguri,Dikwa etc.
    Their destiny is in their hands they either kick out BH and embrace peace or they will perpetually lack behind any other state in Nigeria.
    They should visit Benin City,Lagos and Uyo just to mention a few and see what i will call Nigeria rennaisance and development due to relative peace.

  6. Donspony says:

    Good stuff!
    Don’t forget to go for the $7 million bounty on Shekau’s head.

  7. Spirit says:

    This arrest, made by the indigens of BH stronghold is highly significant.

    1) It shows that the people have taken their destinies into their own hands.
    2) It has totally demystified BH.

    JTF should encourage more of this and should be ready to reward these youth and compensate any one that looses his life in the pursuit of members of BH. The incident will also send a strong message to BH that even the locals (on whose behalf they claim to be fighting) hate them and as such they not only have to watch out for Soldiers and other security angents but also the guy next doors.

    I dont envy members of BH right now.

    • ifiok umoeka says:

      The battle for the heart and mind is being won. Kudos to the military, kudos to the youth

    • ifiok umoeka says:

      Kudos to this blog that sang it like a song, doxiex I do remember, kudos

      • doziex says:

        Ete mbok, Sosongo. (thanks).

        In a forum like this, one should take the whipping for outlandish ideas, but one should also reap the kudos if and when they are on point. or proven right.

        my 2 cents.

    • G8T Nigeria says:

      This is lovely and i wish our brothers who felt the declaration of Emergency was not right shd tell us what better way cud have provided an avenue for this morale booster. Ajazeera i hope u re listening or probably news of this nature dont sell for u. Dont worry Nigerians have a special way of making u useless in ur reporting. I wish GEJ visits these areas and speak to the people, assure them of the nation’s love, send in hundreds of relief materials and standby Medical units spread accross the affected areas.

  8. xnur44 says:

    I wish to thank all our warfighters and secret service personnel in the war effort. A terrorist with a rifle in hand understands only one language; the supersonic sound of incoming bullets.

  9. beegeagle says:

    The FG organ that is the National Emergency Management Agency have been heavily active in distributing relief materials up there – even from the time of the Baga incident which preceded the State of Emergency.

    This has been a sound reality check for those who did not quite realise that “something other than dialogue works” – heads up for those who poured cold water on this stepped-up but by no means ultimate use of military power against obdurate insurgents even before the troops had swung into action. If I had my way and knew them precisely, each of these terrorists would be hunted down and put to the sword.

    What is clear is that, whatever the downers think, we have had the quietest month since 2011 in Northeast Nigeria and it has coincided with this offensive. Anyone can draw their own conclusions – not like it mattered to us who know that they merely wanted to be heard as a matter of compulsion, not that they really knew what they were talking about.

    So here we are. Kudos to the purveyors of the federal might – our gallant and ever-reliable forces, to the Borno youth vigilante groups and to believing Nigerians. Thanks be to God, the greatest of all inspiration.

  10. G8T Nigeria says:

    This is why some countries need to learn from our field tactics. Victor Malu once told visiting US Military Contigent that we had recorded more successes in PKO, hence in a position to teach rather have them come into Nigeria with the intention of establishing a Base. Well he may be wrong but i am well convinced that the Nigerian Forces have continued to demonstrate the will to engage in multiple ops recording huge successes. It took only three weeks to change the story and no matter wat Boko haram thinks or do the battle is far lost.
    Whats left on the table is for the Leadership of the Christian and Muslim faith come together and speak for Peace love and national harmony. Alot of anger, distrust and fear still looms in the minds of people. G8t 9ja on the move.

  11. igbi says:

    Yvon Ndege is currently detained in Niger Republic in which she was caught paying people to say things on camera and spying against Niger Republic.

  12. beegeagle says:

    AL-JAZEERA: CREW HELD FOR 3 DAYS IN NIGER AFTER GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY FAILED TO GET ACCREDITATION

    http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/al-jazeera-crew-held-for-3-days-in-niger-after-govt-says-they-failed-to-get-accreditation/2013/06/17/675d3ce2-d742-11e2-b418-9dfa095e125d_story.html

    The big-lipped and bald (never mind her fake Made-in-Korea horse hair) Nubian must be feeling utterly frustrated in that hot jail in the Sahara. So the “persecutor becomes the victim and the hunter becomes the hunted”. Nice reversal of roles. Annus horribilis is it🙂

    When you go to extreme lengths to demonise people and nations, you also deserve every bit that happens as you go about your insidious business. She obviously went there looking for what to use to nail her enemies and unfortunate hosts, Nigeria. You have to wonder how ruinous and skewed the report would have been, regardless of the fact that the bulk of the people streaming into the refugee camps in the Diffa Prefecture are Nigerien-born residents of Borno.

    This makes you wonder why we are so permissive. Niger are not at war but they realise the need to protect their national security interests by sifting all sorts who come with as many differing persuasions. Nigeria, more Catholic than thr Pope, allowed this individual into the conflict zone that is Borno and sure as can be, she abused the privilege and even tried to undermine discipline and cohesion in the Army. All she got was a slap on the wrist.

    Look what Niger are doing to enforce their laws and sovereign interests? It should cause Nigeria to blush aplenty.Well done, Niger. Show Nigeria how its done. Laws are meant to be OBEYED.

  13. beegeagle says:

    See how fickle humans are? All our compatriots in opposition for whom this BH thing presents an opportunity to bring down the FG at the next polls have used and dumped her – like Jeff Koinange before her?

    Nobody is even asking to know where she is. Suggests to me that she could as well have got herself killed (BH after all take refuge in Niger) trying to impress her viewers and nobody would have shed a tear.

    See

    https://mobile.twitter.com/YvonneNdege?max_id=341993183313534976

  14. beegeagle says:

    Other Nigerians affirm what we already knew. See who was with her? Our eveready compatriots. CeePfeeCee or nothing.

    http://nairaland.com/1327830/yvonne-ndege-al-jazeera-detained

  15. doziex says:

    To hell with all those that try to portray nigerians in a bad light. I told you guys before, the kenyans and the brits seem to have alot in common.

    A condescending view of nigeria/ nigerians being one of them.

    Well, let me not start a nigerian/kenyan civil war. Yes, I said civil, cause we are brothers.

    However, the brits and CNN, are adept at promoting the likes of Jeff Koinenge, Afua Hirsh, Yvonne-ndege Serious Samura.

    All who purposely make their living with their biased anti nigerian slants.

  16. doziex says:

    Guys, I am glad that things are going well.

    But counterinsurgencies always seem to follow this pattern. In the face of a concentrated offensive, the rebels melt away, and reorganize to fight another day.

    The insurgents don’t always do this, because they are good tacticians, usually it’s the inability of an ill equipped army to chase them down, that allows for their survival.

    Helicopter borne tactics (vertical envelopment) would be sound in hunting the scattered insurgents at this phase.
    Ala the US in vietnam or the soviets in afghanistan, until the ran into the stinger missiles.

    However, the Executive Outcomes version of this tactic would be the best for our circumstance.

    From Hunting the unita in angola, to the RUF in sierra leone, or is it years of perfecting this tactics in namibia, mozambique or even in the present day zimbabwe.

    We can rapidly stand up this capability, if we marry our air mobility command plans with experienced instructors.

    And please, lets not say we need no instructors.

    Rebel forces in sierra leone many a time escaped our land bound offensives, only to clap back when we were least ready.
    Also, the environs of jos, and the niger delta, screams of this sort of warfare.

    If the Army has already trained 40 plus helicopter pilots, where are the MI-17Vs, the terminators and more of the mi-35s ?

    • igbi says:

      I believe there are enough instructors in the Nigerian army and among ex Nigerian soldiers. Must someone be a foreigner before he can be valued in Nigeria ?
      I disagree, and in military affairs like this, when you don’t know exactly who is siding the ennemy, it is best to keep much of the happenings as a state affair (no foreigners allowed).
      I also suggest equipping the armed forces more. There is no reason why Egypt would have more Equipment than us. Our economy is much stronger than that of Egypt, so let us inest more in technology building and build the necessary equipments (hellicopters, jets and all). And please foreign instructors aka mercenaries are not the way to go.
      If at this period of time we can not do things our self then do we really deserve freedom ?

      • doziex says:

        Oga Igbi, it’s about expertise and experience and not one’s country of origin.

        Nigeria has no officers or soldiers experienced in heliborne operations for the simple fact that we have not conducted this form of warfare.
        We have also been in several conflicts where air mobile tactics could have made a difference. But we neither had the helicopters nor the pilots.

        Eebens small EO unit in pre 1996 sierra leone achieved what our NIFAG forces and the SLA could not achieve with thousands more men.

        To end the liberian civil war, a battalion worth of crack nigerian troops were landed between the warring factions, while the US marines stayed on their ships of shore.

        It was a perfect heliborne operation, except for the fact that the helicopters and the pilots were from russia and the ukraine under UN command.

        The same way privatization has affected schools, hospitals and other state owned institutions, it has also affected military training and instruction.

        Russians and ukrainians trained the sukhoi and mig air forces of eritrea and ethiopia.

        And inspite of having a good pilot program based on soviet and RAF traditions, the Indian airforce still contracted 50 ex isreali F- 15 pilots, to train their already good pilots on the best tactics to employ with the SU-30 MKI and aircraft similar to the isreali strike eagle.

      • igbi says:

        I can’t recall North Korea hireing foreign “instructors” and I can’t recall china doing that as well. I think it is time to start doing things ourselves. We can develop our own stratégies. let this unproductif era of always copying others stop and let it stop right now.
        I can’t recall Russia asking for US instructors, or Israeli instructors or whatsoever instructors. The same with Iran. If we are always running everfywhere in search of foreigners to do our job then we have already failed.
        And please stop using EO as an example, they didn’t do half of what they claimed to have done. They were mercenaries who needed good press for their business to go on. So they lied. They gave themselves more importance than they really had in the battle.
        So please Nigeria should stop being mentally lazy. If we use our brains then we can archieve. It is all about using our brains.

      • CHYDE says:

        @ Igbi some things you’ve just said make a lot of sense

    • CHYDE says:

      But then there is nothing wrong with having experienced pros train your men for a given period and then you you take over from there, doing the rest by yourself

  17. eyimola says:

    Did we just loose another Alpha Jet?

  18. freeegulf says:

    oga doziex, plz do not make a comparison between EO force in sierra leone and ECOMOG forces. the force composition and the mission objectives where completely different. i know our favourable disposition toward mercs, but the nigerian armed forces is not fourth rate military.

    EO was hired by the sierra leone govt to rollback the RUF. which they partially succeeded in doing. Even at that, they did not do it alone. RUF survived and regained strength only to ally themselves with the coupists of ’97.

    as for ECOMOG, the mission in ’98 was not entirely to defeat the rebels, rather it was a mix of peace keeping and peace enforcement. it was the lack of outright mission clarity that resulted in the painful tragedy of late 98 and early 99. ECOMOG spent much time trying to bring back IDPs to protected villages and towns, and where so stretched that the tipped spear became blunt because foot soldiers where thin on ground.
    do you think if the mission was outright battlefield annihilation of RUF, the armed forces would not have rolled liberia and burkina faso into one and destroy them? even the RUF would have been pushed into Guinea, this was what they expected after feb ’98.

    with regards to the current military operation ongoing up north, igbi is right. we do not need any so called specialists and definitely no foreign military adviser. NAF has had mi-24 for over a decade now. if they don’t know what to do with it, they should as well disband the service. a standard military like ours do not need any PMC to ‘instruct’, sorry this is not the UPDF.
    air mobility and air portable is nothing new in the orbat of NA. going back to the late 70s and early 80s, officers where already been put through the mill for vertical envelopment and other related training and tactics.

    if they are so short of skilled personnel in this field, they can send some trainees abroad for training, but no PMC ‘specialist in our conflict.

    and please stop rating the armed forces with other shoddy forces in Africa. the state of FAPLA and RSLMF where really poor and substandard, no way you can put our military under such label. is an insult to Nigerian armed forces

    • doziex says:

      Omoh, remember Fapla had decades of Cuban and soviet training, their armoured, artillery and mechanized formations follow the soviet doctrine, and rivals whatever we can field in Nigeria.
      Common let’s be honest, calling the FAPLA substandard is tantamount to calling the derg forces of mengistu substandard.
      They both had the same Cuban/soviet training/advisers. and equipment.

      So the truth is that the very well trained and experienced ex SADF soldiers did to UNITA, what the Cubans, the Angolans, the soviets, the UN etc couldn’t do.

      They EFFECTIVELY dealt with them. Tactics as ingenius as vertical insertion behind enemy lines (via Mi-17) a squad of 4 comandoes that shadowed unita airstrips with MANPADs disrupting weapon importation that the UN and the Angolan airforce could do little about.
      Now that is stuff of the EO. Man, give credit were credit is due.

  19. beegeagle says:

    You are correct, Generalissimo Freeegulf. The maneouvre units which Doziex mentioned have formally existed within the NA Orbat for over thirty years now.

    When the 82 Composite Division was formed in 1981 from the old 4 Infantry Division, it had the following formations under command

    82 Div Garrison
    2 Air Mobile Brigade
    31 Airborne Brigade
    13 Amphibious Brigade
    34 Field Artillery Brigade
    44 Engineers Brigade

    Within those formations, we have had airborne, air portable and air mobile battalions – PRECISELY DESIGNATED as such. Between the ages of 13 and 15 as a high school kid, I was a member of the Cadet Unit of the defunct 20 Air Mobile Bn. So I am sure we are not guessing about this.

    It was exigencies of the Niger Delta conflict in the 2000s which led to the redesignation of the 2 Air Mobile Bde as today’s 2 Amphibious Brigade, giving us our second amphibious brigade in the process. 31 Airborne Brigade was moved out of 82 Div, redesignated 31 Field Arty Bde, relocated to the western flank of northcentral Nigeria and placed under 1 Mechanised Division. To bridge the shortfall, a new 14 Infantry Brigade has since been created and placed under 82 Div.

    • asorockweb says:

      Oga Beegs,
      By your account, we no longer have any airborne units? (since 2 Air Mobile Bde and 31 Airborne Bde have been converted to other unit types)
      Please clarify.

  20. freeegulf says:

    right on marsal beegs. u re so on point. air mobile and air portable units have been part of NA doctrine for decades.
    if there’s a shortfall in training, it should be addressed and brought to standard. but no PMCs like doziex is suggesting. gen doziex has an afinity for foreign mercs, but the Nigerian military cannot be classified in the same category with most of these ragtag armies in other part of Africa.

    when some nations could barely feed their population, the Nigerian army already had over quarter of a million men under arms. and these where no draftees or conscript ala ethiopia. this was a purely volunteer army that the high command fielded, equipped and kept on alert for the better part of the 70s.
    even during the dark days of military rule and erosion of professionalism in the officer corp, the army still kept its head above waters with a deeply insightful and knowledgeable high command structure, backed up by prestigious institutions such as NDA, Jaji, NWC. this is not an army where a mere captain seizes power and start giving orders to cols and gens.

    at the height of operation liberty in 1990, the guineans couldn’t even provide a general ranking officer as deputy force commander. they sent a LT COL. it was only when gen abacha ordered our COLs and CY IWEZE to return due to the insult that the guineans attempted to remedy the situation. even at that they where reluctant to promote the said officer and kept insisting they had nothing other than COLs. the general rank was only held by the head of state. is that the kind of army gen doziex like to compare us with?

    there is a big difference between sending mercs to mali or uganda. but please, some armed forces like that of egypt, algeria, nigeria, SA, should be taken of that list. even the zim military would be offended to be part of that mercs list.

  21. Tope says:

    @beeg glad to hear she’s doing “well” in confinement hahahaaha wen u spread bad news about people it comes back to you….the Law of karma is at work.

    Moving on…..it seems some faction of the BH group has immersed itself in the public once again going about dia guerilla tactics…..we urgently need to locate their Command and Control Unit or their Main Cell still active in this places cos if it continues it will lead to discontent amongst the people and the youths who have started a great thing will become depressed…but i kno the FG will prevail more increased House by House Search and Surveillance should be done in the city. I believe the curfew should be in place. No one should move to anywhere. Everyone should sit at home anyone caught fleeing to any camp are on their own…..then the Army can immerse Crack Units of Nigerian Immigration to Flush out foreigners who have no buisness.

    @genbeeg it seems DDI has been silent for some weeks now we need daily Sitreps to know how our boys are faring especially in the mountain regions, i read a tweet by BBC Africa dat some 3000 nigerians hve fled to cameroon because of Northern Crises and i just replied BIG LIE!. Are there any known routes from Borno or Adamawa to Cameroon except from the Mountains?

  22. beegeagle says:

    Memories, Generalissimo. Thanks, my great friend.

    The strong pairing of men of few words way back in 1990 which had Major General JN Dogonyaro as Field Commander, Brigadier CC Iweze as Chief of Staff+NIGCON triservice Commander and Colonel MM Bamaiyi as NIGCON Army Component Commander was a truly no-nonsense and effective one.

    The precision with which they unilaterally redefined the mission and commenced a triservice offensive on the September 1990 day when President Doe was slaughtered at Lt General Quainoo’s HQ, showed them to be officers with true presence of mind who could think on their feet.

    That snap offensive threw the rebels off balance and allowed ECOMOG to regain the confidence of the local population and kept a lid on things after the macabre drama that was the gruesome dismemberment of President Doe. Not surprisingly, Prince Yormie Johnson’s war was soon over as he surrendered to ECOMOG and was shipped off to faraway Lagos in our Federal Republic of Nigeria.

    ECOMOG – a great way of life.

  23. doziex says:

    It will be a shame, if NA never improves because this our YEYE pride.

    If we are so proud of our ability to teach our selves, why do we train with the US ? Why do our naval commandoes train with the Pakistanis ? the isrealis , the americans ?

    Since we know it all, we can just learn by our damn selves.

    @freegulf, NA’s exploits are there for us to praise till the cows come home, but what good are we as military analysts, if we cannot examine our failings without resorting to reflexive jingoistic pride ?

    @ beeg, you are right we once had 2 super puma squadrons and bo-105s that buttressed our airmobile concept
    But these skills and capabilities are perishable, so are the soldiers trained in them.

    FYI, PMCs are the wave of the future. The Top rated militaries of the world employ them for privatized training and services.

    And their services in no way belittles the Nigerian army. HABA !!!

    What would it take to get you guys off this anti foreign expertise BS ?

    FYI, thousands of projects, power stations, roads, railways, metro lines etc etc are being built as we speak in Nigeria with foreign expertise.

    @Igbi, you wanna throw them out too ?

    True we should be better at doing things ourselves, But we are not. So till we get there, we import the help that is necessary.

    • igbi says:

      We keep complaining about unemployment, yet we give every job to foreigners. So yes I would like to throw them out and replace them by qualified Nigerians.
      What has Nigeria ever produced ?
      What are Nigerian products ?
      Where are Nigerian cars, planes, computers ?
      We are not going forward, we are going backward.
      When the oïl dries out, what will we have to trade with ?
      Nothing !
      Let us just take the example of Iran and North Korea and develop internally.

  24. beegeagle says:

    Yes there are, Oga Tope. Gamboru-Ngala and Banki most prominently in Borno and not least Belel in Adamawa. But there are hundreds of illegal crossing paths and footpaths as well.

    Much of the frontier across Adamawa and in southern Borno is all across highland territories and people just walk in and out of either country in such places. People go into the next republic for a beer and are typically one people separated by a colonially-imposed frontier! To the people, who use the same markets and farm together, the border is just a line on the ground whether that be the Mandara folk in highland villages on either side of the mountains or the Koma people who similarly transcend frontiers in the Alantika Mts.

  25. freeegulf says:

    yes my marshal. bamaiyi was a no nonsense ground commander. and lived to his reputation when he became NDLEA boss.

    it was the only way an effective peace enforcement was going to work; having the FC, chief of staff, and operations commander from the same contingent.
    with peace keeping, it is easy to have the command structure from different armies and nationalities. however, it is a completely different ball game in peace enforcement. because you need the ground commander to be able to give good command and also expect his orders to be carried out.

    there where cases when the Guinean and Ghanaian contingents left NIGCON flanks completely exposed, simply because they failed to carry out simple orders or where waiting to get verification from Conakry and Accra respectively. command, control and communications are extremely important in a multinational peace support operation.

    IWEZE was a good chief of staff. and so was MALU. in fact, MALU was a damn good chief of staff and an effective FC. as a chief of staff, he manned the frontline when NPLF fighters where at the gates of ECOMOG HQ in 92. compare that with the Ghanaian Force Commander who in a similar (albeit, less violent) situation in 1990 took refuge in a navy gunboat, never to emerge or decisively deal with the aftermath of Doe’s capture and brutal death.

    as FC, MALU restored order and discipline when things had gone south and Monrovia was again feeling the wrath and monstrosity of the warlords in the mid 90s. he was one tough straight talking general.

  26. freeegulf says:

    gen doziex, you fail to get my point, this is not about national pride. NA has been training with foreign armies and even with Israeli PMCs . it is nothing new. however, your suggestion that NA should have mercs deploy in the theatre of operation is a non starter.

    there is a major difference between having PMCs train your troops, and having PMCs train AND DEPLOY with the troops. that should be where we draw the line. EO not only trained FAPLA, they also deploy with them in combat, and that can never happen in this country. it is not about pride, it is about sensitivity and national security. that will be tantamount to having foreign base in nigeria, and you know how that agenda fared in the past.

    if they want to get more training for these perishable skills from the Israelis, the Pakistanis or even the Americans fine, they can get it from anywhere they so wish. but, they cant have mercs deploy with combat troops in maiduguri, NO!

    combat training is quite different from combat support, and NA is way past that as an army.
    the armed forces will continue to train with foreign counterparts and even PMCs, but the armed forces will not be led by the nose or even joint ops with any foreign national on Nigerian soil.
    it was bad enough that they allowed RN SBS to participate in the attempted rescue of the British and Italian hostages, and how did that end?
    Algeria has different approach to that, and their national security comes top, above all else. they have been dealing with islamic terror for over 2 decades now.

    • doziex says:

      Chief, I have always used the words ADVISE, TRAIN, AND MENTORSHIP,.

      I have never said we should hire EO or anybody to fight for us.

      Our joint maritime strike force, is being trained, advised and mentored by the UK, amongst others. We have seen and praised the pics on this blog.

      So, if sandline, MPRI, DYN CORP, XE aka blackwater provide the same service, they do so in a private capacity without govt strings attached.

      In my opinion, what military enthusiasts on a blog like this should be discussing, is how the airmobile / heliborne / air assault Tactics could have affected and changed the outcome of these NA ecomog battles, niger delta battles, the jos conflict etc.

      Troops can be easily maneuvered to block escape routes, deploy behind enemy lines at will, etc etc.

      In the niger delta, according to mend, some feeble helicopter insertions and amphibious landings were attempted, of which they claimed to have smashed.

      They may be lying or exaggerating, but NA rarely presented a competing narrative of events. And the rebels had plenty of NA issue weapons, vests and uniforms, that had to come from somewhere.

      Anywho, if true, it shows the great advantages, the complexities and the dangers of heliborne ops. THEY MUST BE PRACTICED AND CHOREOGRAPHED TO NEAR PERFECTION.

      And that’s why one needs advisors/instructors that has done it before

      Eeben’s quote , “To win the heavyweight championship, one needs a trainer that has worn the belt himself “. or something to that effect

  27. eyimola says:

    Why is Premium Times still carrying stories suggesting the troops in Mali are under resourced?
    http://allafrica.com/stories/201306181277.html

  28. ifiok umoeka says:

    I don’t seriously think that doxiex implies that we embed mercs with our teams in theatre. If we all listen to each other a little bit more carefully, we’ll all find out that our positions are not too apart from each other

  29. ifiok umoeka says:

    Oga igbi, I’m also sure that u’r not suggesting that we just take a flight to russia for example, pay for flankers and fly them down here (stop over in ukraine, greece and senegal for fuel maybe)!

  30. ifiok umoeka says:

    Like chyde said, there’s nothing wrong with getting a couple of solid experienced pros to come show us a couple of things, while our tutored guys take over. However, there is nothing wrong too of continually cross training with good people we can trust. North korea and iran may not do it, but who says that they are the best?

    • igbi says:

      I wouldn’t be against using foreign instructors if it wasn’t something we do all the time.
      I am sorry, but I see those people as quacks, you are paying for intelectual work while you have a full working brain. It seems we have verry little ambitions. We don’t think of things in the long term. Let me just tell you this: if you involve foreign instructors, then they will claim everyone of our successes and that will undermine our geopolitical position in Africa.
      We will be seen as weak and when ever there is a prolem in Africa, people will be calling for ukrainians or Israeli or or who so ever has a white skin. Stop me if you think I am wrong.

  31. ifiok umoeka says:

    Some where else we’ve talked of being instrumental to AFZ superb outing in the Congo (never mind that the opposing force barely had an airforce), we never deployed with them. So why should fear the same!

  32. ifiok umoeka says:

    Look at those generally considered to be the best, they train with the best. India and israel, japan and germany, UK etc all take part in red flag. US, UK and france have all gone to india for joint exercises. Take bright star away and egypt’s leading will go blunt after a little while.

    • igbi says:

      Why do we just want to be second that much ?
      Aim to be the best !
      If you aim second then you will end up last.
      Aim the top, nothing less.

      • CHYDE says:

        To aim for the best Igbi you have to first LEARN from the best, and then ATTEMPT to SURPASS the best.

      • igbi says:

        Go and tell that to Russia and China: why don’t they hire US instructors ?
        Because they have no time for quacks: which is what foreign instructors are.

      • CHYDE says:

        Igbi remember that the Russians and Americans got there rocket know how from captured German rocket scientists.after the fall of NAZI Germany. Thats a case of learning from the best and surpassing the best

      • igbi says:

        To me the best is the one who won the war.

      • igbi says:

        I get your point, but who taught the germans ?
        Nobody.
        Have you got my point ?
        We need to use our brains, we can do more than the v2 if we try.

    • CHYDE says:

      As for China, we’ve heard a lot about Cyber Espionage, in addition to getting knowledge from the Russians

  33. ifiok umoeka says:

    Moreover, the north koreans trained with the soviets and chinese especially their airforce in the 50s to the 80s and were considered better than their southern counterparts. Fast track 20 years later and u can’t seriously consider that as true today. The iranian airforce today are a product of the shah’s 70s airforce trained by the US and israel! Again I would just laugh at u at u if u compare it with Egypt’s airforce much more that of israel!

    • igbi says:

      Iran is much stronger than Egypt, iran makes almost all its weapons.
      And I am sorry, but I know of verry few countries which can threaten the USA and one of them is North Korea.

  34. ifiok umoeka says:

    If you study, u need to be tested! Most times u need external test to validate ur studies for the simple fact that u can’t sex up the standards and the result will not be compromised. Bottom line is, GET THE STEAK B4 SQUABBLING ABOUT THOSE TO IMVITED FOR DINNER

  35. ifiok umoeka says:

    How is iran better than egypt? Because it has managed to reverse engineer 1950-70 tech and pass it for new or that it has depended on north korean discarded soviet era tech or pak nuclear know how? Try comparing their airforce, navy, amour forces etc. We can argue about their special forces and their rocket force yes, but for the rest, its a no brainer. As for NK, but for china, its not a threat. The south foolishly allowed itself be threatened by keeping soul (well within the north’s artillery range) instead of creating an alternate capital. Aside from that and unconventional weapons, they north would only be committing suicide by attacking the south. Its not having the over 1mn man army (though quantity is a quality) while the rest of ur population can’t feed. Bro, NK is not a threat to the US, china is

  36. (@lordfej) says:

    there is no arguing with Oga Igbi you would never win

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