NNS Thunder F90 sails into South Africa’s Simon’s Town Naval Base, Wednesday 21 August 2013
PHOTO CREDIT: Bob Johnston/INTERNATIONAL SAILORS SOCIETY (SOUTH AFRICA)
Add some armanents and upgun her !! she becomes a beast and a monster ready to devour at any time
Once again Kudos to NNS Thunder and the Nigerian navy for doing us all so proud at the recently conluded International Fleet Review in Sydney Australia.
I look forward to the induction of USCGS Gallatin into the fleet later this year so that our navy can at any time have at least one large OPV out on patrol of our territorial waters/EEZ , which will enable us have a credible continous-at-sea presence/deterence
Oga Beegz, with regards to the Navy’s proposed LPD (as per the development plan), any views on my earlier suggestion that we should consider getting a chinese Type 071 Yuzhao Class Amphibous Transport Dock (LPD)? They displace 19,000 tonnes but we could purchase 2 and have them scaled down to 9,000 tonnes so that they could be maintained at our Naval Dockyard in Lagos or our Naval Shipyard in Port-harcourt.
On another point- have been keeping tabs on Angola’s rumoured purchase of a retired spannish aircraft carrier.
This rumoured purchase seems to have some ‘credence’ as in addition to the aircraft carrier the Angolans will get a retired Descubierta Class Corvette (F32 Diana), a retired Harlan County LST 1196 (large landing ship), a retired patrol vessel (P61 Chilrea) and a retired patrol boat (P27 Izara) – all from the spanish navy. Let’s not forget that the Angolans recently acquired 18 factory refurbished Su-30MK aircraft for their airforce from Russia.
Gentlemen, a naval build-up is taking place before our very eyes in the Gulf of Guinea and as these vessels (if purchased) could affect the balance of power in the Gulf of Guinea, I sincerely hope that our defence planners (in particular our Naval/Airforce chaps) are keeping an eye on this development.- especially if they (i.e. – some of the Su-30MKs or the aircraft carrier )are deployed to the Angolan enclave of Cabinda.
The South Africans (being Angola’s fairly close neighbours – separated by Namibia) might not loose too much sleep as they have 3 Type 209 Submarines and 4 Meklo Class 200 Frigates, plus of course the 26 Saab Grippen C/D fighter aircraft in their Airforce.
In my view this makes the case for our navy getting at least 2 submarines all the more cogent. We may also need give consideration to getting a fighter jet that can be armed with Exocet missiles (like the french Super Entard) aircraft. Your thoughts gentlemen?
My apolgies to the French speakers, reference to the french jet in my previous post should have been ‘Super Etendard’ and not ‘Super Entard’. In any event the French have began retiring these aircraft from naval service and replacing them with the Rafale Jets. We could purchase enough to equip 2 squadrons plus spares – i.e. about 18 aircraft and have them based at Naval Air Stations in Calabar (when built), Warri and Ojo – Lagos.
It is expected that all the Super Etendards (about 71 in the naval inventory) will be retired by 2016 (i.e. 2 years hence) and as such if we begin purchase negotiations/pilot training now………
Where is Oga Peccavi? This na him territory! Lol! But then, some interesting facts.
1. Spain is decommissioning 25% of their harriers!
2. Su 30s have combat radius in the region of 1,200km to 3,000km (depending on who u ask and the altitude its flying), however, when it loaded with say bombs and missiles, that radius is eroded though it can use drop tanks to extend radius!
3. Hanging a missile on an airplane is dependent on the weight of the missile, payload of the plane and the radar of the plane
As 4 the etendard, keep them @ the museum super or not, the deserve their rest, if they are new builds then I can say let’s have a look! I would rather look at the Kfirs but even that is not moving me!
On the LPD, I would think the South Korean would be perfect especially the Indonesian derivative! Scale down means redesign and that takes time and money and can’t be guaranteed to be better! If we get 2 be involved in designing and building, that is a whole new matter!
Good thoughts Oga Yagazie, although firstly, I am not in favour of the Super Etendard as I think they have had all the upgrades and are probably time frame expired (I know they can be overhauled, but you can imagine people complaining that we purchased tokunbo planes).
Secondly, France probably wouldn’t want to give us that kind of dominance in the GOG. I agree though that submarines or ASW capabilities to check the Angolans would be a good idea.
@ifiok umoeka, I can’t see anyone but the US marines looking at the Spanish Harriers for spare parts when retired.
Now is the time for our navy top brass to expedite the purchase of at least one LPD/Assault type vessel with all the accompanying support vessels.
You cannot beat deterrence.
Gentlemen, I note your points on the ‘shelf life’ of the airframes for the Super Etendard aircraft-and the possible reluctance of the French to sell them to us. Fair comment. In any event we should as much as possible avoid western systems because of our past experience with ‘sanctions’ /’arms embargoes’.
In the alternative we should consider an airframe that is more modern and capable of launching anti-ship missiles (possibly purchased from China). The SU-30MKI or SU-30MK2 comes into mind or possibly the naval version of the MIg-29 operated by both Russia and India.
Another point to note is that it seems that Bangladesh has recently placed an order for the purchase of 2 submarines from China (possibly the Type 39 Song Class or it’s successor the Type 41 Yuan Class) for its navy. The Bangladeshis are going for the full complement of fixed /rotary wing assests, surface fleet assets and now underwater assets for their navy. Food for thought………
Nigeria and Bangladesh articulated 10 Year Acquisition Plans at the same time in 2009. Both planned to acquire frigates and subs.
– they have since then acquired or placed orders for two ex-British 1,830 ton Castle class OPVs
– two new Chinese-built 64 metre missile craft
– five new and locally-built 50 metre patrol craft
– two used Chinese Type 53H2 frigates
– two new Type 056 corvettes
– their naval air arm starting out more than 25 years behind Nigeria’s acquired Dornier 228NG MPA planes, Agusta A109e Power helos and Harbin Z-9C naval helos.
Now, they have reached for subs while our “too know” but still empty handed compatriots are busy prescribing the acquisition of the Trident. We leave the attainable and romanticise the ideal.
Last I checked in 2012, our FG’s budget was a third larger than those of Pakistan and Bangladesh…even as they have larger populations and lower GDPs. They are fated to have more critical issues of “competing demands”…the “competing demands” which has turned out to be the open sesame whenever our leaders want to shirk their responsibities.
What does Angola need an aircraft carrier for? too much oil money? Even China today is having a hard time mastering the art of carrier operations and will take at least 7 to 8 years of training before they can successfully carry our real time carrier operations… Angola reminds me of Uganda where its president bought a couple of SU-30 Flankers from Russia and fitted them with iron bombs. How dumb is that?
@ Oga Yagz, 25% of spanish navy harrier equals a flight 3 or 4 birds, hardly something the US Marine would kill themselves over! Moreover, their spares are covered with that British sale a couple of years back! Thus, those harriers could very much be available 2 Angola through a lease with Spanish pilots made available for a fee instead of retiring them (both pilots and planes) as austerity measures!
As per the defense budget, pls who knows what %age goes for procurement (capital expenditure) and how much of the budget was implemented. Also, what happens to the unused funds?
Make una leave Angola to deceive themselves. Its like Dos Santos is running out of ideas on how to chop money.
However I have articulated what I believe are our defence requirements in the Gulf of Guinea. When we cannot muster the seriousness and political will to eradicate oil bunkering then what hope do we have of actually taking an external threat seriously.
The next 2 years will be very depressing from a defence and security point of view. The entire strategic and forward looking energy of the political class is focussed on the 2015 elections and party political bullshit.
Terrorism will return with a vengeance unfortunately
NOW U GET WHAT I MEANT WHEN I KEPT SAYING 2015!
Mighty Yagz, been mighty pressed for time. Look out for my response to the LPD question later today.
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