CAMEROON ARMY DISPLAY NEW STOCKS OF CHINESE-BUILT ARMOUR

30mm cannon-armed Type 07P IFV

105mm gun-armed PTL-02 tank destroyers aka “CARA 105”

Jeremy Binnie
London
IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly
20 May 2014

Cameroon paraded the Chinese armoured vehicles that it has recently acquired during its 42nd National Day on 20 May.

The new vehicles include Type 07P infantry fighting vehicles and PTL-102-type tank destroyers and represent a major improvement in the country’s armoured forces.

Made by Poly Technologies, the 8×8 Type 07P has a three-man crew and can carry seven dismounts. It has a one-man turret with a 30 mm gun and a coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun. The command vehicle variant of the Type 07P was also on display in the parade. Cameroon is the first known user of both variants.

The PTL-02 tank destroyer that is in service with China’s People’s Liberation Army consists of the chassis of the WZ551 6×6 armoured personnel carrier and a turret with a 100 mm gun. A version called the Assaulter was developed for the export market with a new turret mounting a 105 mm gun.

The Cameroonian version has a turret that looks more like the one on the original PTL-02 than the one on the Assaulters that were delivered to Chad, but military sources indicated that the vehicles have the larger calibre gun when they told the Cameroon Tribune that they are known as the CARA 105 mm.

The newspaper reported that the Armoured Reconnaissance Brigade (BBR) has two platoons of Type 07P vehicles and three platoons of CARA 105 mm tank destroyers.The parading of the Cameroonian Army’s new Chinese vehicles comes after it was revealed that two naval vessels are being built for the country in China by Poly Technologies.

A number of unidentified light armoured vehicles with remote weapon stations were also seen during the parade.

http://www.janes.com/article/38235/cameroon-displays-new-chinese-armour

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50 Responses to CAMEROON ARMY DISPLAY NEW STOCKS OF CHINESE-BUILT ARMOUR

  1. tim says:

    A new west african arms race has begun……what is sleeping giant nigeria do? May we not learn the way,usa learnt after pearl harbour,when they were building fridges and automobiles,when a world war was raging!!!!

  2. beegeagle says:

    Our neighbours are showing a certain presence of mind in the realm of acquisitions which belies their comparatively puny resource bases. Notice that these are 30mm cannon-armed IFVs possibly acquired in preparation for possible engagements with BH and coming after our own haul of 30mm cannon-armed BTR-3 IFVs? For emphasis, they are painted in desert camo which suggests that they were acquired with operations in the sahelian upper reaches of that country’s Far North region in mind? It is also noteworthy that Chad followed our lead and acquired BTR-3s.

    Concerning the 105mm gun-armed CARA tank destroyers, it is interesting to note that our own tank destroyers are 90mm gun-armed EE-9 Cascavel and Panhard Sagaie AFVs, all acquired in the late 1980s and early 1990s respectively. Not to mention the fact that these Cameroonian tank destroyers were acquired in the wake of a similar Chadian haul. See how ambitious our neighbours are and see how proactive they are in responding to regional dynamics while we continually declare multi-billion dollar budgets which do not have as much as 5% of the total value dedicated to procurement? When we are not doing that, we are howling about nebulous competing demands. Before now, Cameroon had lately acquired Panhard AML 90s…possibly Eland variants to stay in step with Chadian(Belgian-modernised Eland) and Nigerian Panhard Sagaie AFVs.

    In the realm of air assets, the Cameroonians have been buying Mi-17s, possibly with SF operations in mind and they have also been linked with contracts for Harbin Z-9 helicopters. They took delivery of a CN-235 long range, medium lift aircraft last year. They are building up an asset base for rapid reaction forces.

    Since 2011, the Cameroonians have been responding to naval dynamics in the Gulf of Guinea where nextdoor neighbours, Equatorial Guinea and Nigeria are building up their asset bases. Aside from RHIBs and a small 23 metre landing craft possibly intended for SF units, they have acquired two 24m patrol craft from ARESA and were due to receive two 32m patrol craft this H1 2014.

    Also they are expecting the delivery of two large midshore patrol vessels which could be anywhere between 45m and 64m. These are being built in China using preferential buyers credit facilities provided by CHINA EXIM Bank. The vessels are big enough to have had 76mm naval artillery mounted on them

    The foregoing represents headsup for some compatriots who think we should do nothing in the wake of Chad’s acquisition of MiG 29s.

  3. Deway says:

    Probably keeping in mind the Nigerian territory the UN is looking to cede to them and the ongoing squabbles in CAR and Nigeria. Good planning by the Cameroonians. I’m sure they have more coming.

  4. Augustine says:

    Field Marshal Beegeagle, I thank God for you, and may you be blessed for your patriotic work. You have proved to Nigeria that we are asleep while out unpredictable neighbours like Cameroon and Chad whom we have fought mini wars against and threatened are now awake in an arms race against us. These poorer countries envy Nigeria’s wealth, human development, Abuja nice infrastructure, economic greatness, fame across the world, etc.

    It is natural for humans to envy, and Nigeria thinks it does not matter if her economic success attracts envy mixed with silent hatred from our francophone neighbours who are now buying sophisticated weapons and steadily gaining superiority over Nigeria in the air, matching up at sea, matching up on land forces.

    I have warned that Nigeria should not think our army will walk over Cameroon in battle just like that, Cameroon has many hundreds on French Anti-tank guided missiles to knock out Nigerian army tanks, now they have added new modern tank destroyers to knock out any type of Nigerian armoured vehicle.

    One day Cameroon will buy SAM to shoot down Nigerian air force, then we both become equal except for foot soldier numbers.

    I still repeat, Nigerian army new audit of weapons/equipment inventory should be published to the public in detail when audit is completed, this is a democracy, let us see how bad our aged and rusty weapons have become….

    Old ‘malfunctioning’ ZSU-23 Shilka, rusty metal Vickers tank seen on the street recently, ancient armoured vehicles with old school fire control and outdated analog systems, weak range radar and out-dated ECM Roland SAM, poorly armed APCs with 7.62mm guns, aged and tired Sagaie tank destroyer, obsolete recoilless rifle/cannon, rot and rotten stuff fill up Nigerian army armoury.

    Hard to find or maybe zero existent infantry 40mm multiple automatic grenade launchers, no single infantry anti-material rifle amour-piercing long range, no single infantry man portable ground search radars, no anti-aircraft missile that can range over 10km, no GBADS for integrated command and control of computerized anti-aircraft guns systems, no AHEAD ammunition for anti-missile defences on anti-aircraft guns, no dedicated land based multiple barrel CIWS for defending high value targets from missile attack, no long range anti-aircraft missiles for national integrated air defense systems beyond visual, no modern laser guided anti-tank missile, no mobile battlefield command and control vehicles, no long range battlefield surveillance mobile vehicle mounted radars to direct artillery fire and watch enemy approaching from over 50km away, no missile armed main battle tanks, no GPS guided artillery shells for precision bombardment, 60km range artillery shells, no ground based mobile electronic warfare vehicles to counter enemy electronic jamming, no armoured vehicles with remote controlled turrets and guns guided by battlefield situation awareness TV cameras….. and many more missing equipment that makes Nigerian army an old out-dated force that cannot stand beside Algeria, Morocco, South Africa, Uganda, and now Cameroon and Chad are slowly closing the gap and eating up the advantage we used to have.

    Any army that does not have the equipment I listed above is obsolete and stuck somewhere between World War II and Cold War Era of the 1980s….Nigerian army is stuck in that shameful category today….So sad for the biggest economy in Africa.

    • Anas says:

      Lol mehn austine bro u hv washed naija frm head to toe choi old and rusting sagari ifv

    • Deway says:

      I hope the “Generals” are reading. Sorry but true.

    • Triggah says:

      Mr Augustine sir i salute. Your knowlege of modern military toys are vast and infinite.
      Toys don’t win wars. Hard equipment with battle harden men does. Missile armed MBT, ground base EW vehicle for jamming e.t.c how will it help our fight against BH?

      I’m advocating for a well balanced armed force first before we go for exotic toys and gadgets.
      Our current war is COIN so we need a full complement of IED-Detectors, MRAP, Scout helos, UAV E.T.C we don’t need ICBM yet abeg. We can’t even deploy artilleries because of collateral damages.
      We will defeat BH because we have the resources as a nation for a long war. Just like in Syria.

  5. doziex says:

    The nigerian establishment did nothing in response to equatorial guinea’s naval build up.
    The chadian build up has also gone unnoticed.
    With our history with cameroon, if they buy a hand grenade, our establishment should know about it.
    We know they are paying attention. Look how quickly they responded to NN’s acquisition of 2 OPVs.

    Instead of always whining about our leadership, we need to do our due diligence, before selecting them.
    As 2015 elections come around, a defsec blog should at least know, then discuss the positions of aspiring candidates on defsec issues.
    What are they going to do different ?
    How much of a priority is defense spending and procurement in the present security climate ?
    At this point, who are the candidates even ?

    Whoever they are, I would like senator Anyanwu as a defense minister.
    Let’s remember, she was vocal about the need for investment in vessels for the navy, when none of her peers was saying anything.
    Her ambition for the navy, rivalled opinions of where NN could be on this blog.
    She understands that defsec spending is a national investment as opposed to the likes of NOI.

  6. Anas says:

    Chad acquired mig29s now cameroun is arming itself too ok na ,naija continue to pretend as if all is well enuf said

  7. Augustine says:

    Please @Everybody, what is the job of Senate and House committees on defense? Who are the people there and what is their professional background that qualifies them for the position?

    I don’t see them in action…so…I ask…

    • Anas says:

      They r busy lining their pockets wit kick backs and wages that r higher than that of d president of america and those dumb service chiefs wil nt summon d courage and tell those looters that we r in deep shit and secondly this gusau guy lik seriously does he wat he’s doing ? The guy is dulling nigerians !

    • doziex says:

      Oga, to be honest, they are an embarrassment to democracy, and the whole lot of them should be voted out of power.

      They are supposed to be a co equal branch of government, balancing and scrutinizing the commissions and omissions of the executive.

      They are law makers. They are supposed to make laws that better the lives of the nigerian people, and not just their allowances.

  8. ifiok umoeka says:

    The truth of the matter is that we don’t have separations of power in our governments across the tiers! We have rubber stamp legislooter who act when personal interest in on the line! With all the RETIRED GENs and EQUIVILENT (including the SENATE PRESIDENT), we are like this, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE LOOK LIKE IF WE HAD ONLY CIVILIANS?

  9. kwame says:

    How do you vote them out? When they have already stolen enough to fight and commit thuggery at the ballot box. The funny part is that they see them self as the only candidates that is good for their people. I agree with Mr doziex opinion concerning senator Anyanwu, I have followed her career from being a news caster at NTA to a Commissioner. She has proven that she can be a politician and a true patriot who knows the desire of her people. If we have many like her, I bet you with my last cent that the country will turn around from this self inflicted injuries. Mr Augustine, you don’t need to ask the job description of the Senate and House committees on defense, they are politicians who happen to be at the corridor of power, they don’t care if the Military can defend the country or not. They care about their own personnel safety not the safety of the country!

  10. drag_on says:

    We also have to ask a salient question, if nations like Chad and Cameron can arm themselves such on their puny budgets.What the heck are we spending approx 4-6 Billion on?
    How can recurrent expenditure be taking up so much in Nigeria with such low levels of capability,while our neighbours on much lower budgets are achieving much?
    It is one thing to blame NOI but if our Brass hats keep making up opaque budgets with little capital expenditure who can blame her?
    Cameroon’s military budget in 2011 and 2012 was $368M, in fact between 2001 and 2012 they have never surpassed $375M. Chads was $242M in 2011 and Uganda averages apporx $600M between 2008 and now.
    Why are these Nations outspending us in capital procurements?

    Ukraine with an active personnel of 90,000 and reserve of 1,000,000 had a Defence budget of $1.9B in 2011 but $5B today, while ours is a conservative average of $4B to $6 today with a history of $2-3B,but what is the difference in hardware?

    If we rightfully question NOI we must also bring the search light on our Military brass over the poor inventory in our armoury since democracy.It is so bad that a multi-billion dollar Army have poorly kitted Ground Infantry wielding AK-47s,.

    • asorockweb says:

      Oga Drag_On,

      CAPEX was a little less than US$300million for the three services in the initial 2014 budget.

      We spend so much on salaries and benefits because of the notion that we are rich.

      The federal budget is about paying salaries and benefits.

      One question that I have is about the structure of the officer corps – Do we allow too many officers to get to the rank of Colonel and Brigadier?

  11. Deewon says:

    Na wa o…. I know nigerian generals are not blind nor deaf. I believe if allocation of funds was under their control will have top of the class fighting vehicles and aircrafts at our disposal. But since those that are meant to do the allocation don’t know the value of the armed forces to a nation. What we are experiencing now is what they think is right. Imagine politicians saying since the airforce are not engaged in any warfare they should be using their aircrafts to transport passengers or the navy should use their vessels for fishing. For me I won’t fault the military. But the politicians who have a say should act right and act fast

    • Are James says:

      You are very wrong. The top rank of the military has been infused with ‘civilian disease’.
      You won’t believe how out of touch some of them have become with new developments in defence and security. You also won’t believe the pensions and gratuity of the ranks of Brigadier and above.. so when you talk about recurrent expenditure, know where all the money is going.
      What we need is a system of accountability that demands specific results from these guys at a level commensurate with our investment in them. We also need to proactively engage them with national defsec threat analyses projections and say; – Gen this/that and that, what are you guys doing about this threat that we projected last year?, what have you bought by way of platforms,who have you trained?, what exercises have you done?.. what level of threat mitigation do we have now, put a value to it sir?
      If we don’t do this we will continue to waste money in defsec.

  12. beegeagle says:

    The TRUTH, Oga Deewon, is that DEFSEC awareness is extremely low in our country. Imagine a senator mouthing off “what of the MiG 21s at Makurdi?” in 2012! Those are fighter jets which were paid for in 1973 by General Gowon, pioneers such as the late Air Marshal Alfa went into conversion training for the type in 1974 and a senator, remembering the MiGs he saw whilst still a high school kid, imagines that the NAF which took delivery of her first twelve units of MiG 21MF in December 1975, should still be flying them in 2012? Technology does not get outmoded?

  13. beegeagle says:

    I shall have a special photo for us tomorrow, God willing

  14. COLONEL NGR says:

    The truth is that most times, the budget is just on paper. What is actually released is less. I think it has to do with the structure of our defsec spending. Some Generals were retired last year, a new set of Generals are in charge and yet things remain the same. Oga beeg is right, the awareness of defsec is extremely low in the country. Only a few people are interested in how the country defends itself. As long as the have money, wine and women, nothing else matters. Nigerians will only wake up when a war starts and the bombs starts to fall. I believe that the NIA and DIA have enormous dossiers on the threats we face with our neighbours. The files are stuck between the office of the NSA and the presidency without action. The politicians will probably advice the president to ignore the files because they feel there are no threats. Do you wonder why our government is trying to please our neigbours and other countries? They feel its a cheap way to guarantee security rather than spend money on arms and ammunition. That is why they refuse to wield the big stick against countries that have poked our eyes in the past. We need a new goverment with genuine interest in the safety of nigerians. If care is not taken, Nigeria will have to bend to the wish of its adversaries since it has lost considerable power and influence.

  15. beegeagle says:

    Concerning the release of appropriated funds, that is true, Colonel.

    We have heard reports of completion rates as abysmal as 30% emanating from federal ministries. Rather than work, those who should facilitate the release of monies are busy making value judgements on which ministries are productive and which are not.

    • asorockweb says:

      Oga Beegs,

      Low budget implementation rates are primarily due to inefficient ministries and politicians manoeuvring to squeeze out higher percentages for their own personal benefit.

  16. beegeagle says:

    Well, the report made mention of some other unidentified armoured vehicles on p’rade.

    Hark back to the 2012 p’rade, find in the middle (behind the vehicle bearing flags) an Israeli-made RAMTA Light Armoured Vehicle, something which fulfills a combat role similar to Nigeria’s Panhard VBL M11 armoured vehicles.

    Chad also field the said RAMTA vehicle type and deployed same in combat in Mali last year.

  17. startrek says:

    may be we will make you a field marshal and hand over the government to you

  18. Augustine says:

    Chad also wisely purchased between 1985 and 2014…

    10 Self propelled artillery vehicles…answer to Nigerian Palmaria

    12 BTR-3U IFV…..answer to Nigerian BTR-3U

    250 approx. APC/ACV…..answer to Nigerian Cobra/VBL

    120 BMP-1 tracked IFV….answer to Nigeria’s tracked Scorpions that defeated Chad in 1980s

    430 SA-16, SA-24, etc MANPAD 6km range anti-aircraft missiles…..answer to Nigeria’s Roland.

    2 C-27J Spartan transport aircraft….answer to Nigeria’s G-222

    450 TOW and MILAN anti-tank guided missiles…answer to Nigerian Swingfire ATGM

    7 Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters….answer to Nigerian Mi-24 Hinds

    6 Su-25 Frogfoot jets…..answer to Nigerian Alpha jets

    3 MiG-29 Fulcrum jets….answer to Nigerian F-7 jets

    For those who think Nigeria can easily defeat Chad today after our last brief war in 1980s, I wish those thinkers a happy day dream, we go fight Chad now and you will see Nigeria’s military loaded with infantry men take heavy casualties and end up in a near defeat or a stalemate….with Chad !

    He that has an ear let him hear.

    • peccavi says:

      Chad actually has a nice little military that could do some damage but to be honest they can still be defeated, I am less worried about their kit than their experience and tactics in the type of terrain they’ll be operating on.
      Nigeria would be vulnerable to their fast flanking attacks which would pick off the main body, it would need either a very quick aggressive attack to secure an objective like N’Djamena and then let the Chadians try and counter attack or a slow layered combined arms/ joint op with air cover and GBAD covering several armoured battle groups.

      Again unfortunately we are sleeping at the wheel.
      We should maintain a total 2.5 advantage over all our neighbours combined at the very least in order to ensure that we are not vulnerable to attacks. Currently defeating an alliance of Chad and Cameroun alone would tax all our resources even without Boko Haram

  19. Triggah says:

    Mr beegs i believe the Infantry Fighting Vehicle acquired by Cameroon is purely for COIN op only, against BH this is because the number is to small to be a major force multiplier in any aggresive action against Nigeria. The only disturbing aspect is the 105mm fire support gun system for anti-armour role. Our 90mm sageie AFV is clearly outgunned and obsolete so is our swingfire ATGM and Carl Gustav recoiless gun (obsolete). Our Vickers, Scorpion, Scimiter, Panhard Vehicle blindĂ© leged (VBL), Oktocar cobra, BTR 3, BMP 1 is vulnerable against the 105. Anyway we have a tested and proven ground attack force which will lay waste easily to all those wielded monocoque steel. Like i keep preaching… All military equipment needs a complementary system for support and backup. Cameroon does not have an integrated ADS to cover the entirety of the armor force neither is there a short range SAM system for regimental level air defence.

    • Deway says:

      “Anyway we have a tested and proven ground attack force which will lay waste easily to all those wielded monocoque steel” just like they destroyed boko haram technicals, abi?

  20. Oje says:

    Why are we begining to sound like Tea Party alarmist? CAMEROON BUYS CHINESE GUNS : all of a sudden Nigeria’s military superiority is threatened. CAMEROON BUYS CHINESE ARMOUR: this equates to a direct military subregional rebalancing.,jeeez ! The Nigeria police force of about 140,000 alone complemented with a few dozen aircraft will overwelme the Cameroonian army. As for its Navy Cameroonian Navy is non existent. As of this writing the Nigerian army is 150,000 strong with 30,000 reservist, thats more than the combined armies of the next 16 West African countries combined.

    The Nigerian army has over 200 swingfire anti tank missiles purchased from Britain. Add to that a considerable number of M-40 anti tank missiles. What about our Carl Gustav Recoiledd rifles that csn double as a Tank killer? there are over 50 units and no West African army have an answer to that. The Nigerian army operates close to 60 T-55 Tanks, 20 Amx-30 Tanks from France and 200 Vicker Tanks. They may not be the best qualitative wise but its numerical advantage more than makes up for it, this id more than the Tank force of Cameroon and Chad combined. Add to that thousands of APC.

    Now what about artillery? A South African journal once remarked that Nigerian artillery skills are unmatched SSA. There are 30 Palmera self propelled Howitzer which Cameroon has no answer to. There are 25 units of MB GRAD MLRS. Lets not forget the over 200 Otto Melara Howitzers we bought from Italy. Now admittedly save for its Roland snd Blowpipe SAMs our air defensr is shit but that is because for the past 40 years there was viryually nothing in the armed srrvicez of our neighbors that could threathen us from the air, same way Russia’s SAM System outclasses that of the United States because America need not invest heavily in SAMS for fear of Canadian or Mexican air attacks.

    Now in the air the Nigerian airforce is 15,000 strong, thats more than that of Chad, Cameroon and Ghana combined. With 24 Alpha jets, 12 F-7 Chengdu, 12 are lbatrose, 10 Super Tucanos, and over 15 advanced Russian Helicopter Gunships no West African/Central African airforce comes close. With 5 Hercules C 130 aircraft Nigeria’s ability to project power beyond its shores is unmatched and second only yo South Africa. The Nigerian airforce has 10 airforce bases, more so than any of our closest rivals. Add to that Nigeria operates two of the most advanced air surveilance aircraft and 5 sattelites n Space.

    Now the Nigerian Navy is more or less in a league of its oen in West Africa. It is the largest and most capable. Fashioned after yhe Royal Navy the Nigerian SBS is the best trained and best equipped in Africa. The NNS Aradu, NNS Thunder, Missile combattane craft, two new Stealth OPV and a growing domestic ship building capability makes the Nigerian Navy in a class of its own. Save for Equitorial Guinea other West African Navy are non existence. Cameroon buying some Chinese APC and anti tank missiles from France does not tilt the strategic militarily balance in their favour, Chad buying two MIG 29s also does not make it a match.

    This military capability is the reason why half of Nigeria is not Boko Haram territory like we saw in Mali, CAR, Somalia etc. Our military may be under performing against BH but thats because our military was not trained to fight and kill its own people, this type of warefare is new in Africa and it will take time to change military doctrines. In a conventional war with a defined enemy against Cameroon Nigerian soldiers would have reached Yaounde before the French can mobilize and come to the aid of her tiny ptotege.

    • ugobassey says:

      Oga Oje Im not sure it is right to detail our armouries and platforms in a public blog like this one is. its not only patriots that read this blog, our potential enemies do too. My 2 cents contribution here is:
      Warfare is no longer won by numerical superiority in men (case in point 1st and 2nd Iraq war). In the last 30 years technology has sky-rocketed and we need to “smartly’ procure our military equipment.
      1) We need superiority in fighter jets and while the Chinese product might be ok, why settle? go for the F-22 Raptor. Expensive? yes but we can virtually rule the skie with just a few of these.
      2) Fast attack helicopters like the Denel AH-2 Rooivalk (from south Africa, Not expensive but is ranked in the world’s top 10)
      3) remodify our older jets to carry the The Python 5 air-to-air missiles
      4) And round off the shopping list with 15 – 20 Chinese Xian H-6s (bombers).
      Notice I didn’t include the Navy and Army: You rule the skies you rule your world.

      • igbi says:

        F-22, why not ? The problem lies with the fact that those selling it refuse to sell us anything that has to do with the military.
        And for the rooivalk; that is the first time UI am hearing someone say it is among the world top 10, I shall then guess there are only ten types of gunships in the world.

      • asorockweb says:

        A lot of the technology in the raptor is a waste of money, even for the US.

        Each year radar technology get better while the raptor remains stagnant.

        The avionics, super-cruise, radar, missiles, navigation, communications, and computer systems on the other hand are the very best.

        But apart from super-cruise, you can specify all the good stuff you need in a 4++ gen fighter, from the US or Russia.

      • Are James says:

        @asorockweb
        Russian radar scientists keep insisting they have developed radar sustems that will detect and track the Raptor yet the US keeps saying there are radar evading ‘things’ about the Raptor nobody knows about and would never guess. Whichever is true, it is still not a cost effective option for most countries.

      • igbi says:

        I think Chinese products are very good and are not of lower quality than US products.
        I don’t think it is good to hold in high esteem the product (F22) of a guy who thinks you should be allowed anywhere near his product.

  21. ugobassey says:

    Oga Igbi check out the operational maneuverability of the Denel AH-2 in this video link:
    http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/denel_ah2_rooivalk.htm

  22. peccavi says:

    Oga ugobasey: please this Nigerian obssesion with secrecy for the sake of secrecy dey tire person. The entire French, US, Dutch, British, German and other countries orbats is online for all to see. their principal weapon systems are also listed with sexy photos and specs are also available.
    To the best of my knowledge the sky has not collapsed nor their borders over run by hordes of enemies.
    likewise I published the full French orbat in Mali here within 2 days of their being in theatre, AQIM, MNLA and co did not push them back into Niger.
    The key is not to keep things secret, its to bombard people with so much information they will not know what secrets to look for.
    What do we need an F22 for? Gripen or Mig 29 or Mirage we never talk na F22?

    Oga Oje: I like your piece, it is intelligent and well written and makes much sense but the logic (from my point of view) is that these countries are rearming for a reason. If we maintained an edge in terms of doctrine, tactics and training that would make sense but we are not even doing that. The Chadians currently have a capable and experienced Army. They have unrivalled desert and sahel experience but also experience of jungle fighting from DRC and CAR. They are not undefeatable but they would be a cheeky foe. Cameroun I don’t necessarily rate. Other than BIR and the Presidential Guard they are militarily insignificant, but again in a limited engagement they could cause causlaties.

    But the key question is this. If there is a scenario (unlikely as it seems) that Niger, Chad, Cameroun and Benin joined forces could Nigeria defeat them?

    My rough answer would be no. we do not have the correct levels of combat power, air power (strike and lift), sea power and most importantly logistics to support such an effort and maintain a credible reserve.
    This is in addition to our internal security issues as well as any outside responsibilities we have.
    We could outmatch our neighbours by having a highly trained, capable force with great mobility or a large force with lots of men and firepower
    Thus it is not so much panicking about one or two new APCs but looking at it holistically. we are talking about our immediate neighbours, we have not factored in Angola, South Africa,Ghana etc

  23. Augustine says:

    @Oje, sorry to dissapoint you o ! Your long story is full of wrong data and technically very faulty. Did you care to do any proper research before you wrote it?

    @Peccavi, Oje fed you with a lot of wrong information. However, I was about to say what you said…what if Nigeria if at war with Cameroon and the francophone fraternity makes Chad support Cameroon? Easy to drag themselves into the war by making Cameroon attack Nigeria around lake Chad and Chad will say Nigerian artillery shells fell on it’s civilians….

    See gentlemen of the house, with special reference to Oga Oje, you need to read a lot of war history from 1939 to 2014 before venturing to write what you wrote above, and you need a good knowledge of how weapons/equipment are used on battlefield before you say one country is not a military threat to another.

    Countries with inferior weapons do hold countries with superior weapons to a stalemate in war by applying the right strategies. If you think Nigeria can overrun Cameroon or Chad, you are day dreaming. This is not the 1980s when those two neighbours were much weaker.

    “Skirmishes along the border eventually escalated into a full-blown confrontation, with intense fighting around the oasis towns of Tindouf and Figuig. The Algerian army, recently formed from the guerrilla ranks of the FLN’s ArmĂ©e de LibĂ©ration Nationale (ALN) was still geared towards asymmetric warfare, and had little heavy equipment. They were still battle-ready and had tens of thousands of experienced veterans, and strengthening the armed forces had been a top priority for the military-dominated post-war government. On the other hand, while the modern, western-equipped Moroccan army (France was the bigger arms seller to Morocco at that time) was superior on the battlefield, it did not manage to penetrate into Algeria. The Algerians had counted on hit-and-run attacks as their main strategy, but the Moroccans managed to counter this approach. The Moroccans built fortified Sand Walls. These Sand Walls had land mines and electronic warning systems, as well as strong defenses placed by the Moroccan troops. The tactic was later used in the Western Sahara War. The war reached a stalemate and after the intervention of the Organization of African Unity (OAU) and the Arab League, it was broken off after approximately three weeks. The OAU eventually managed to arrange a formal cease-fire on February 20, 1964. A peace agreement was then reached after Arab League mediation, and a demilitarized zone instituted but hostilities simmered.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_War

    If you are not satisfied, I will proceed to deal with the wrong data on Nigerian weapons that you loaded in your comment just to make yourself and some others feel good, or did you make a genuine mistake ?

    I am waiting for you…..because you have given a lot of Nigerians a false sense of security….If you drag the issue too far, I will go into a ‘Pseudo-Simulation’ of Nigeria Vs Chad or Cameroon, and you will see how many casualties they will inflict on Nigeria.

    So please be kind enough and correct all those errors inside your comment…inflated Nigerian army arsenal.

    • Deway says:

      Unfortunately, Oje’s analysis was based off of Wikipedia. It is not wrong numerically per say. However, serviceability of what is listed is very much in doubt. The T55s, Vickers MBT, how many are operational? Again the AMX does not serve us in the MBT role.
      Navy: NNS Aradu has not left Victoria Island after it returned from Brazil. NNS Thunder and Okpabana are basically humungous sized, scarcely equipped OPVs which could easily be struck into capsizing by a 35-metre vessel carrying one or two exocets or chinese made SSMs. Same for the incoming P18Ns.
      Airforce: 24 Alpha jets, Only 12 or so are functional but what is their capability to defend the airspace. Dont forget these were used against enemies without an airforce or basic SAMs. 12 F-7 Chengdu, ok but they cant project air power, 12 are albatross, basically used in the advanced trainer role, but how many are air worthy? because during air shows I have noticed 2 or 3 by their serial numbers performing aerial displays year after year, 10 Super Tucanos, was he really sure about this? 15 advanced Russian Helicopter Gunships – agreed, but are they being used currently?. With 5 Hercules C 130 aircraft Nigeria’s ability to project power beyond its shores is unmatched and second only to South Africa – I will agree if he meant sub Saharan Africa. 5 satellites in Space – how many are really militarized? My thinking is its just one with some but limited militarily capability. Others are basically communication satellites and geographical – agriculture, deforestation, desert encroachment, land erosion, mapping etc. My humble opinion.

  24. Augustine says:

    Funny what some people write on this topic, people who believe Nigeria will win a war just because it is Nigeria.

    If we were told 5 years ago that Boko Haram will humiliate Nigeria the Giant of Africa, people would say it is not possible, well Boko drives around town in Nigerian army brand new Cobra APCs and uses our own army weapons to attack our own army barracks and cities while Nigerian air force that @Oje is bragging about above failed to hit any single one of those APCs from the air, Boko drove to town and drove out of town clean and in broad daylight.

    1980s Maitatsine insurgents never got to this level, now 2014 the formerly impenetrable Nigerian defenses have been penetrated….NAF jets and helicopters destroyed on ground inside our own air force base.

    Chad is 1,000 times more powerful than Boko Haram. I ran a list of Chadian weapons above and showed Chadian military superiority especially in anti-tank guided missiles and anti-aircraft missiles as well as ground attack jets and air superiority jet aircraft.

    So what is the source of Nigerians’ claim of being better than Chad? Artillery? Chad has 10 Self Propelled Howitzer Artillery and their MiG-29 jets with Su-25 jets can destroy all Nigerian army Bofors F-77B and Palmaria artillery on the ground. Do people on this topic know what they are saying or enemy has hypnotized them?

    Chad will shoot down the whole Nigerian air force, and torment Nigeria’s larger infantry with her Mi-24 Hinds attack helicopters and Su-25 Frogfoot jets….see Nigeria take heavy casualties and we end up in a stalemate at the best, if not a shocking near defeat.

    Gentlemen, get this straight, no country wins a war just because it believes so, but because it is able to. FACT !!

  25. Augustine says:

    Oga Beegeagle, could you knodly interpret this quote from your weblink story?

    I think it means Chad’s weapon acquisitions are not always reported on arms sales logs, so no source can show everything that Chad has.

    “The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) is warning defence equipment manufacturers to be careful when exporting to Chad as the country does not always honour end user certificate”

    Deterrent is the best answer to Chad, Nigeria should just arm up 3 times more that all our francophone neighbours combined together.

  26. Augustine says:

    I mean could you kindly interpret the quote. Typing/spelling error. Sorry.

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