With reference to the foregoing subject-matter, gentlemen, may I elicit your well considered responses as it concerns the issue of revamping our medium range air defence missile capability and even going further to put in place area defence missile systems?


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  1. Augustine says:

    This thread will be ‘Epic’ by God’s grace. The minds of our bloggers have a lot bottled up and will be released….fire full salvo gentlemen. God bless you oga beegeagle, true patriotism is priceless.

  2. beegeagle says:

    OK. Now, open fire. I await your precis. Mighty Yagz and Sir Gbash, we are counting the minutes before you turn up.

    • Yagazie says:

      My commanding General Oga Beegz, – firstly thank you for setting up this thread in which this particular topic can be discussed at length by those who are well versed in these matter.

      Let me state right from the onsent that this area is not my forte. I simply felt very strongly that as the NAF was getting a complete overhaul as far as aerial fixed /rotary wing assets was concerned, our Air Defence System should also get a look in. I will thus leave the discussion of the technical details as to the various types of Air Defence systems to those with a much better understanding of the subject than myself. Oga Peccavi’s thesis further down below is a good case in point. Ditto the contributions of other fellow cybergens on this point.

      To those who still feel that the upgrade of our Air Defence Missile Network is not a priority at this time a few points to ponder.

      1. Sudan which has a large number of Mig -29s and Su-24s in its inventory has had its territory BOMBED at least three times in the last 2 years by an unidentified foreign airforce (read Isreal) in a quest to detroy rockets transiting through its territory for delivery to Hamas in the Gaza Strip. A good Air Defence Missile Network would have averted these strikes or at least made the aggressor think long and hard before conducting same.

      2. Eygpt is upset with Ethopia who are building a massive dam (Grand Rennaisance Dam) on the Nile, because they fear it will interfere with the volume of the nile’s water reaching its territory. During the regime of President Morsi, in a television interview with Eygptian politicians, the mics were accidentaly left on after the programme and they could be heard discussing the possibility of the EAF (the most potent and powerful in Africa with over 240 F-16s and Mirage 2000Cs in its inventory) bombing the dam site. The Ethopians have a number of Su-27s- but if they had a very good Air Defence Missile Network, the Eygptians would not even consider thinking of taking such a drastic step.

      3. Libyan territory (the airport in Tripoli) was recently bombed by unidentified aircraft from two middle eastern nations (rumoured to be the UAE and Eygpt)- a good Air Missile Defence Network would have made the aggressors think twice.

      These examples are all here in Africa.

      4. Going further afield – Isreal has refrained from bombing Iran’s nuclear sites in part because of its concerns about the capabilities of the Iranian Air Defence Missile Network.

      There are also those who question the necessity of Nigeria having such a comprehensive Air Defence Missile Network, given the parlous state of the airforces of our neigbours. While such views have some merit, with all due respect to such views- this misses the point- our neigbours are contantly upgrading their airforces. Furthermore a friend today could be an adversary tommorow..

      – Chad our neigbour to the North East has acquired Mig-29 fighter jets.
      -Algeria which has Su-30MKAs and Mig 29s (the second most powerful airforce in Africa) has its southernmost inhabited territory (Tanssamanaret?) which is just 850 Km from Illela in Sokoto.State.
      -Sudan which operates the most advance Mig-29s in Africa has its southenmost territories at just a little over 950 Km from our North Eastern borders.
      -Angola which operates Su-27/30MKs has its non-contigous territory of Cabinda which is less than 1000KM from our eastern seaboard.

      Finally let us remember- ‘it is better to have something and not need it than to need it and not have it’.

  3. saleh says:

    At long last, time for means of deterrence

    • beegeagle says:

      🙂 Oga Saleh, akwayi lafiya ne? So you were following silently. I look forward to your contribution as well o. EVERYONE who is well grounded on the topic should volunteer an opinion.

      Oga Oje, any comments….even if na Patriot missile you wan suggest?

      • Oje says:

        No ooo ! you wan set ambush for me abi? if i talk my own now dem go say i be pro American and anti Russia/China.

  4. AreJames says:

    We need a national Integrated Air Defence Systems & C3I approach first before buying actual SAMs and AAA plugin components of the systems. For Nigeria the NAF has to determine the requirements of these first and its architecture.
    How many radars stations, how many electro optical ones, where are they to be located, how is the threat communicated, how is it evaluated, how is it commanded and handed off to a fighter jet or missile battery or AAA battery?. Who confirms kills? How do we defend against SEAD aircraft and missiles which we know our neighbours don’t have…. but we know there are always vulnerabilities in the economically important gulf of guinea.

  5. buchi says:

    In addition to oga are contribution there is need to divide this structure into area of responsibity such
    The north air defence command possible located in adamawa
    Central air defence command abuja
    Eastern air defence command calabar
    Western air defence command lagos
    Southern air defence command owerri or enugu

    All this connected to the integrated system but I believe if we are to avoid conflict of responsibility
    The mobile air defence system should be handed over to the NA while the air force should be mostly in charge of static sam sites with the air bases and with at least two more built and stationed on the outskirts of the city or state as well as detection and interception and co-ordinated info packeting with NA air defence units .

  6. asorockweb says:

    Consider the fact that we don’t have full coverage of our airspace and that even if we did, we don’t have the capacity to intercept rouge aircraft.

    Also, consider the fact that a small airplane may be used to target a high value target like the seat of power in Abuja or the NAF airbases, we must start with point defence.

    Multiple installations of the SKYSHIELD or a similar system could be used to defend core of the Nigerian capital.

    The PANTSIR, like Oga beegs suggested above is also a good candidate, but it is mobile and therefore would normally require more maintenance.

    The PANTSIR meets a different requirement that we have – defend our mobile formations.

    Our immediate requirement is for point defence of high value targets like the seat of power and the airbases against single rouge aircraft.

    • beegeagle says:

      Nice one, Oga Asorock.

      That fixed Oerlikon-derived SHORAD looks potent. For a mobile SHORAD, there is also the Chinese-built YITIAN SHORAD which I posted here a few years ago.


      Chinese Yitian Wheeled Self-Propelled Short Range Air Defence
      System (SHORAD) comprises of 2 quad launchers equipped with TY-90 (Tian Yan ) surface-to-air missile with range of range of 500-6,000 m.

      Yitian SHORAD is guided by the thermal imaging sight and a 3-D X-band radar which can track fighter-sized aircraft from 18 km and a cruise-missile target from 8 km.

      • Are James says:

        Cheap and effective. Switch radar on/off when the attacker is identified as high tech 4th gen combat aircraft and use thermal imaging. Also keep changing firing positions. For cruise missiles, just fire away. No secondary AAA fall back like some Russian types however and this may be a drawback.

    • AreJames says:

      I agree that point defence is the immediate requirement. We may already have something along the lines of what you are suggesting which is classified of course but a review is definitely required. I don’t really no what mobile installation air defence is about. However mobile SAM systems are difficult to identify and degrade when installed in large numbers.
      Also if we proceed on the premise that the only threat is single aircraft attacks against fixed high value targets (which I disagree with) then an upgraded ZSU-23-4 system or the PANTSIR may be adequate.

      • asorockweb says:

        The rouge single aircraft scenario is based on a BH suicide attack that utilizes a Cessna type aircraft. The goal of the suicide attack would be to slam into a highly valued building or gathering.

        I agree with your architected air defence system approach, I just wanted to cover our most immediate needs.

    • asorockweb says:

      The link below shows a hardened and mounted SKYSHIELD system.

      • Are James says:

        This one is solid o. LOL. It also uses more sensor types than radar for detection so it should be hard to target if operated well. The high calibre, rapid fore gum shots cannot be rendered ineffective by attacking aircraft counter measures like flares and chafe.

      • Are James says:

        *rapid fire gun shots*

  7. beegeagle says:

    Like the Roland ADMs, should such systems be consigned exclusively to the purposes of the NA Corps of Artillery, the National Air Defence Corps or the NAF or should we create a Joint Air Defence Command under DHQ with a national military radar grid, ELINT planes, AWACS planes and ADMs integral to the said Air Defence Command? Any roles for the national satellites in all of this?

    As an aside, does anyone think that a NAF with Su-30s and JF17s should now reach for AWACS planes or is the current ELINT capability sufficient for the mission?

    Off the top of my head, the most affordable yet qualitative AWACS plane is the US$70 million SHAANXI ZDK-03 Karakorum Eagle. It is deployed by the Pakistan Air Force and they rate it as being more advanced than their SAAB ERIEYE planes.

    • rka says:

      I think that air defence should ideally be the preserve of the Air Force Regiment and there should be dedicated units armed with both short and medium range missiles for starters (I will leave missile types and systems to people more versed in this).

      A proper networked air defence system covering the entire Nigerian Airspace should ultimately be in place in the long run with a Central Control Station staffed by the required Air Force Personnel.

      The importance of an AWACs platform cannot be over-emphasized if you want to control the air space. Fighter interceptors can be vectored onto potential threats from a long way off and you can get a complete picture of the overall battle especially if linked to mobile ground stations with live feeds of the scenarios being played out and your situational awareness would be second to none. This is especially essential when operating away from home in joint Army/Air Force/Navy operations coupled with the necessary air to air refuelling assets.

    • Are James says:

      I support the establishment of a separate Joint Air Command that will handle all possible advanced air threats going forward. The skills involved are just beyond our traditional military institutions- Advanced radar operations, high speed data management, integration of air, surface and satellite detection assets, ELINT, integration with AWACS, when we acquire one and a different kind of command and control than they are used to. The people you need are also more IT geeky and desk bound than regular grunts.

    • Yagazie says:

      Oga Beegz- for what its worth, I think that we should create another stand alone arm of our millitary to be known as the Air Defence forces, modelled after that of the Eygptian millitary. It should intergrate all our anti-aircraft guns, rocket and missile units, radar stations and interceptor planes (which will of course be operated by the NAF).

      Yes with the NAF having Su-30s and JF17s in its inventory, I am in stong support of your suggestion that we reach out for AWACS planes – in particular the one you have referred to – SHAANXI ZDK-03 Karakorum Eagle (what a mouthful!!). Since we are upgrading our millitary, we might as well go the whole hog.

      We should also reach out for aerial refueling tankers. At present only Morroco, Algeria and Eygpt in North African have this capability in Afrca at the moment, with South Africa having retired its aerial refueling aircraft. Western equipment for obvious reasons should be a big no no.

      I would even go as far as to advocate that we get a dedicated MILLITARY SATELLITE. Before people call for my head for advocating tor this, bear in mind that we already have about 4-5 satellites in space and yet NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN OF ANY USE to us in the current conflict with BH – simply because they were not configured for such a role. Currently Eygpt is the only african country that has such a capability. The South Africans were secretly trying to acquire one with Russian assistance -but it seems the deal fell through.

      As a matter of national policy, with a GDP now in the region of $510billion (and growing), we should set ourselves the target of spending between 1.5-2% of our GDP annually on defence. This will amount to between $7.65-$10.2billion dollars. A minimum of 45% of this budget MUST be allocated to CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.

      This might seem a lot but when one factors in the cost of new equipment (such as warships, warplanes,air-lift transporters, tanks, missile defence systems, upgrade of naval bases, millitary barracks, airforce bases -with proper revertments, hardened shelters, underground hangers, and regular war games/excercises,at unit, service and combined ops level) thisputs everything into perspective. The millitary is a profession and our men and women should be given every incentive to serve proudly and reach their full career potential.

      From a strategic point of view, Nigeria wants to be amongst the most important countries on the planet- sitting at the table where a lot of strategic decisions which affect the rest of the world are made. Whilst having a very large/robust and advanced industrial economy is a must, having a strong millitary (a hard power tool in our ‘diplomatic arsenal’ ) would also go a long way in helping us reach that objective.

  8. beegeagle says:


    • Bharat says:

      Are you sure General, these costs $70 million?

      • beegeagle says:

        When last Pakistan swooped on four units, the unit cost actually translated to US$69.5m

      • Bharat says:

        Yeah, my mistake. They indeed cost around $70 million at 2006/7 price. Then I doubt whether it has AESA radar mounted? Probably mechanically scanned array. But, having 4 Saab Eyrie for nearly $900 million, Pakistan probably wanted Hi-Lo combination.

  9. jimmy says:

    Not much of a techno whiz kid however there are two things that i would suggest apart from the priority attached to total radar coverage
    AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM should be classified or viewed into two components long range >100 km out from our airspace and short range< 50km.
    The missile system should be integrated into a national grid system however there should be an overriding parameter to prevent electronic jamming whereby air force commander on the ground can literally switch a command to an independent mode to combat an imminent threat .
    A static command system as well as a constantly dynamic system, these lessons we learned from Saddam Hussein in Gulf War 1.

    • AreJames says:

      Thank you @Jimmy.
      During the Iraqi war, Sadaam had this high tech, multi layered, buried fibre optic networked system of missiles and anti air guns with good command and control (to the extent that a 3rd world country can have C2). Anyway, the American destroyed it in a week by targeting the nodes, underground cables and surface assets with cruise missiles and bunker busters. That took out that layer, point defence systems were finished with HARM missiles, the most difficult systems to kill were the visual or non radar anti aircraft guns.
      So one lesson is that low tech is very good sometimes in air defence.

  10. jimmy says:

    I do not know whether a fully integrated military radar was installed as in to cover the entire Military landscape, I do not want to stray in classified military territory for lack of a better use of words lol.

    • AreJames says:

      Believe me, we don’t know enough to do any damage here. LOL.
      However IADS is part of foundational defence infrastructure, we need a modern and robust system put together by Nigerians from available options on the market.
      It is a right not a privilege.

  11. peccavi says:

    First question is what are we defending?
    Who are we defending against
    Do we intend to destroy the enemy outright or attrite
    In my opinion first thing first is radar and integrated communications systems
    The civilian radar should be supplemented by military radar, which operates intermittently

    My 2 kobo
    We need to defend our political centres, ie. the capital
    Key population centres
    Industrial areas
    Key transport infrastructure, bridges, ports, airports, railways,
    Key industrial infrastructure, power plants, refineries, shipyards etc
    Our military, command centres, defence industries, repair yards, armouries, depots, air bases and naval bases

    Without a clear ad present air threat we must prioritise and use an intelligent strategy to defend these areas
    Major cities such as Lagos, Kano, Abuja, Port Harcourt, will be defended by fixed long range systems, mobile medium and short range systems will provide overlapping coverage.
    Coastal cities like Port Harcourt, Lagos, Warri, Calabar should also have naval AA pickets.
    It would not be possible to permanently ring these sites with AAA weapons so all that would happen is the sites are surveyed and prepared and the systems left in storage until such a time they are needed arises.
    Rather than buying expensive long range missile systems, we should focus instead on air superiority fighters, which obviously can be re roled into strike aircraft. These Aircraft would defend the approaches

    So we come to Question 2, who are we defending against?
    If a first world power our key strategy should be to husband our assets, in other words hide all our combat aircraft. Against a first world power, our key defence will be attrition, thus using short and medium range systems and deception tactics to deflect and deceive guided systems and AAA to deter, damage and destroy manned aircraft and unmanned aircraft.
    This means accepting a certain level of attrition but at the same time by using mobile systems we can still defeat attacks.
    SO in essence against a first rate power we will be fighting a medium to short range battle with the aim of destroying, damaging or deterring enemy aircraft as they come into their final run.
    If these are land based our long range defence should consist of SF type sabotage raids or mortar bombardments to try and damage aircraft on the ground

    If a carrier based force then threaten swarm type attacks with small craft, these will most likely be unsuccessful and result in high friendly casualties but if pressed home to or three times in conjunction with ship to ship missiles and anti ship shore batteries it will push enemy ships further from shore increasing the flight time of enemy aircraft
    Against an African regional power (i.e. Egypt, South Africa, Morocco etc) we do not currently have the combat experience to win an air superiority battle yet but basing this on our wish list then the first element of the defence plan should be deep strike, long range attacks using air and SF type raids to destroy enemy facilities, airfield, fuel dumps, ammo dumps and more importantly kill pilots.

    In the event of enemy air raids Air superiority fighters will seek to either destroy enemy aircraft, divert them from target or burn u their fuels dog fighting reducing the amount of time they have on target, if they get through the air to air patrols then the medium range systems take over, I would suggest medium range SAMs,
    for the final attack runs particularly for helicopters or dive attacks I would suggest 23mm or 14.5mm AAA guns, preferably mobile mounted on pickups, Armoured vehicles or on top of buildings.

    This gives them mobility and also mean they can be used in a ground role if needed and have a more terrifying effect in terms of the mass of tracer going up at a pilot.
    Thus I would suggest that the priorities for a Nigerian Air Defence system are

    Civilian Radar and Radio network covering key air corridors, maritime air and sea radars
    Air superiority fighters with clusters in the NE, NC, NW, Eastern Middle Belt, SE (Calabar/ Owerri)
    South/ south (Warri/ PH) SW (Lagos/ Ibadan)
    Military radars
    Medium range ground based air defence missile systems around key cities and infrastructure.

    Territorial air defence units armed with 14.5mm and 23mm mobile AD units with mobile command centres.

    Once the doctrine is perfected then systems should be slotted in that fit the specs

    • rka says:

      I must say Oga Peccavi, I can’t see anything wrong with suggestion. Spot on I say.

      • rka says:

        *your suggestion

      • peccavi says:

        Thanks oh,

        For clarity when I say citiees defended by fixed long range systems, I mean radars not weapons, I still believe it is better to do that from the air, also the long range systems will be a key target for them to suppress first meaning we can predict where the first attacks will land (hopefully)

      • AreJames says:

        First world enemies will come through the Gulf of Guinea via an Aircraft Carrier group based task force a la Falklands. They may also deploy air assets inside one of our weak ‘unfriendly’ neighbours. Our one neighbour to the East is actually the most likely. All other scenarios you discussed are valid including suggested reactions to the threats which is spot on. For a carrier based blockade, we need a mobile ship-asedb air defence systems which we have not even started with or on the alternative we go for an Iranian type massive small boat swarm upon approaching fleets backed by SAM carrying small vessels.

    • smartboy2000 says:

      These are all great points within this thread, I salute all the CyberGenerals. From a military planning perspective, we have to look at what our short, medium and long term air-defence strategy is. Our military planners need to put their heads together and come up with a modern day air-defence architecture that would deal with our current issue, and at the same time protect us against an enemy of tomorrow. With the calibre of highly intelligent military personnel we have in and out of Nigeria, and the support from blogs like this, I believe we would collectively defend the sovereignty of our great nation. God Bless Nigeria

    • Deway says:

      I must confess, Fulan’s sitrep is quite detailed regardless of if he’s an insurgent insider or not. If this what he’she is saying is true, then it means we are wearing rose coloured glasses.

    • rdokoye says:

      There’s no way he could know exactly what happened, unless, as you said, he was an insurgent who took part in the fighting or a member of the armed forces, and since he is neither, we can only concluded that this is just more propaganda.

      He even boasts of the insurgents mythical ability to outsmart the Nigerian Armed Forces and reports that 35 Nigerian Soldiers were killed; there’s absolutely no way he could know that!

      Everything appears to have gone cold, which is strong indication that Boko Haram have suffered heavy casualties. This is nothing new, as it’s happened before. It’s now up to the Armed Forces to seek the initiative and flush them out completely.

    • beegeagle says:

      FULAN is not only a compromised insider, he is a paid propagandist for BH. We said so from the off. Notice that he grudgingly alludes to the withdrawal of BH cadres from that botched onslaught but introduces the element of pro-insurgent spin by suggesting that 35 soldiers were killed. That is intended to have a mollifying effect on pro-terrorist sympathisers so that it does not look like the total rout which it was for the insurgents.

      Well, is that anything new? His first SITREP was about Damboa. After all the disparaging and snide comments about the U.S-trained Rangers which he made in that writeup on Damboa, is it not surprising that they are still in the fight at Konduga and that Damboa is not rebel-held? He even claimed that the effort to retake Damboa was led by U.S troops.

      As far as one is able to fathom, the guy is an undisguised BH propagandist and a congenital liar at that. His work is characterised by a consistent trend of weaving a myth of invincibility around BH.

      Here, there is a clear attempt to have the total victory at KONDUGA watered down. Notice how he emphasizes on the exertion by the NAF as being no more than air raids and not bombardment? Is that salutary or a dampener? Is that meant to aid the war effort or to detract from it? I leave you to determine on whose side FULAN operates.

      There are many Nigerians, driven by nothing more than a pathological hatred of the current political order at the federal level who are inspired to do anything, no matter how hideous, to achieve the outcomes which they seek. In most countries of the world, even in free America, anyone supporting an organisation as devilish as BH would be liable to serving time behind bars. The sooner you accept that there are Nigerians in buccaneering activist circles and in the local and foreign media who actively support BH, the better.

      Till date, have a BBC who report on every minor scare created by BH reported on the Battle of Konduga, the most comprehensive defeat suffered by the insurgents since the War on Terror commenced? Why not?

      FULAN probably receives stuff to put out there otherwise elementary gaffes such as “12.5mm” instead of 12.7mm HMG and “Dashoka” instead of Dushka will not appear there. That guy was either in INT or the military and ought to know better than that.

      WHAT do the contents of the video from Konduga tell YOU beyond what a FULAN who goes describing air operations which he was not a witness to, has to say?

  12. Tobey says:

    Sorry to digress..Only an insurgent insider can have this info!!

    • AreJames says:

      We’ve all read this. The guy has some little inside info and manages to embellish rather effectively in spite of that.
      Boko Haram does not have ”several mortar carrying vehicles” for instance. FulanSitrep’s strength is some understanding of the internal Boko Haram organizational anatomy and knowledge of how the group has evolved. He also has third party contacts on ground in the north east. He effectively awes the initiated with all those Islamic sounding names and maybe scares all the kids around but half of it is hogwash.
      What I am sure of though is the Nigerian Army is well penetrated and something should be done by DMI and SSS. It has to be a secret, intense and harsh blood purging of ranks at the junior and mid officer levels.The ambush of soldiers at Kogi for instance is something that should provoke intense internal security work.

    • Solorex says:

      The Sitrep is conceived and designed from the scratch pooh pooh the victory and cast aspersion on NA’s ability,its chronology is faulty and the conclusions are redolent of senselessness -Who in the whole world will use so much men to probe from the center of a Vee formation ?600 soldier at risk to probe your enemy strength (BH don’t really have 10,000 soldiers)? what will happen to the morale of your guys now that they suffered a terrible defeat?-it doesn’t follow!

      The purpose of an air raid is many fold- not always to bomb vehicles and heavy weapons. Targeted killing of high profile member based on intel-NAF are not blind to bomb the same mosque twice!, it may also be to destroy the symbol of authority of BH (mosques) e.t.c

      It is not impossible that BH AAA scored hits- but if it does not bring down the bird immediately-then NAF would have know by means of emergency xponder; and the jet would have been found now- the norm is to keep radio comms alive within the vicinity of battle space.

    • jimmy says:

      fulani should be directed to bh’s latest victory where dead men don’t talk and don’t tell lies
      Please let us not derail the thread the last time bh marched in force they got wiped out. Can we stick to the thread at the risk of censorship ? We are talking about Missile systems here not boko haram.
      HIS SITREP ARE LAUGHABLE this coming on the heels of boko haram’s most crushing defeat. Please I beg let us not digress let us focus on the topic at hand.

    • peccavi says:

      A combination of local knowledge and links to local people would give you this info.

      some of it is still suspec but its interesting, if he hs links to BH or represents one of their factions then sooner or later the strategic intent will be revealed, until then, one should just listen and absorb, if he is 50% accurate then its still 50% more that we know about the enemy than we did before.
      And more to the point his analysis is correct. The victory at Konduga is in reality a minor tactical triumph, it has not in anyway changed the overall operational picture. Other than Bazza or Vimtim no other towns have been recaptured and to be honest they are prestige targets not actual targets of note.

      The Fulan blog and the Davis revelations are all manifestations of the same phenomenon, elections are coming and factions are forming.

      • jimmy says:

        Oga peccavi
        Much as I want to not talk about the subject you bought something up that . I cannot let go. This was a stinking defeat for the bh.PLEASE one of the most wanted bh commanders in west africa was killed as a bonus. Let us not forget these mofos were hyperventillating a nowbout maiduguri eh make them invade the place now.why bbc know show video nah because the mofo was shot dead.let us quit sugarcoating some clueless fool who would crap in his pants if he see dead body.

      • Eugene4eveR says:

        Oga General Peccavi. Enuf respect sir.
        i beg to disagree about your analysis of the FOOL-lan “sitrep”. If that trash was not enemy propaganda, then I’d hate to read your version of propaganda!!!!
        Parts of his propaganda rubbish are listed below:
        1. Fulan claims the best of elite forces “just”manage to beat a probing party
        2. Our boys cried for air support that never came, WHEN we were killing them via artillery
        3. 35 NA troops died, how? when?
        4. We lacked d ability to press forward
        5. The crashed Alpha jet was downed by 1 of his comrades

  13. ugobassey says:

    The Akash medium range missile has max range of approx 25km. Why this is considered ‘medium range’ I don’t know. In contrast, the Agni II has a range between 1000 to 2000km. pricey though at $5,6 mil/unit.
    My suggestion:
    We should go for short range missiles with an average distance of between 250-300km. this would include the following options:
    1) The DF-11 from China. Mobile operation and very short launching time.
    2) Ghaznavi from Pakistan. Solid propellant with mobile launching options and cheaper that the DF.
    3) SS1 scud from Russia widely used by most east European countries and reliable also on a mobile launcher.
    I left out western Europe and the US for obvious reasons: The morality clause. Don’t expect any SAM and SS to come from the west anytime soon.

    • Are James says:

      After what happened in Ukraine, rule out any SAM sales from US or Eurozone. Even India might fall under a new UN SAM exports ban with threat of sanctions. So I am thinking China and Russia only for our needs.

      • jimmy says:

        Being a novice in this biz. I will ask the question arejames is it possible to buy air missiles from both pakistain and india just asking man no sabi all these politics. T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network

    • Bharat says:

      First thing, Agni, DF-11,Ghaznavi and Scud are all surface to surface ballistic missile. They are not Surface to Air (SAM) like Akash Missile or the ones that Gen’ Beegs quoted in the OP.
      The designation of Very Short Range, Short Range, Medium Range and Long Range are as follows
      ” ssiles able to fly longer distances are generally heavier, and therefore less mobile. This leads to three “natural” classes of SAM systems; heavy long-range systems that are fixed or semi-mobile, medium-range vehicle-mounted systems that can fire on the move, and short-range man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS).”
      Source- Wikipedia.

      Medium Range SAM for Akash is not a universal designation. It stems from the doctrine of the Indian armed forces. MR-SAM for one country can be SR-SAM for others. Barak-8 with 70 Km is Long Range SAM for Indian Navy but Barak-8ER with 120 Km range is Medium Range SAM for Indian Air Force.

  14. chynedoo says:

    Greetings my Ogas
    My humble contribution to the thread, devoid of the tech details, which I understand there are experts on here who could do justice to such than myself. Rather I’m thinking along the current and future threats we face from our neighbours, France is our immediate neighbour-being surrounded by Franco-phone countries we are always going to being in the sights of France. But our biggest threats from the air is definitely the Americans. They already have a drone base in Agadez and are opening a second one. Agadez to Abuja by Air (civilian) is about 882 kilometres (approx.)
    So any air defence system should be able to factor possible American drones threat, and should be able to offer the type of radar coverage that could pick up these drones in our airspace in addition with intercept aircrafts, we have to have the ability and the willingness to bring these down should they stray into our airspace.
    Again, the fact Americans have built a drone base, there is always the possibility they are able to station and operate a number of combat, and surveillance aircrafts from these bases other than the drones.
    Africa is the next big thing, and the biggest economy on the continent is Nigeria. Surely, a risk, threat averse super-power like America that has had years as a hegemon across different regions of the world, would not sit back and allow Nigeria like China become a competitor even in our own back yard. Why our policy makers and politicians see America as a friend and ally given the standing realities is quite befuddling.

  15. peccavi says:

    Oga Jimmy who was this commander? What was his name, what country was he from, what faction, where did he train?
    Konduga was a defeat for BH but it does not change the overall picture. They have not lost any of the major towns they have captured. The towns they captured control the approaches to the Mandara mountains, Buni Yadi allows them to threaten Damaturu and Maiduguri.
    We need to stop deceiving ourselves. Just like Dunkirk in 1940, a successful retreat or a successful defensive battle are not how you win wars.
    This is why I sad his analysis is correct. Ignore the parts that don’t make sense but the reality is Gwoza, Gamboru Ngala, Bama, etc are all in enemy hands.
    BH can not capture Maiduguri, but as the presence of the suicide bombers and cameraman show they intended to raid it and create a spectacular event.

    • Are James says:

      Well a hundred dead to Boko. Haram is a big blow. Trying to cast it in strategic military terms is just playing with words to confuse and elevate a wrongly thought out military adventure as something it was not. He also wondered in conclusion of one of his posts why the Nigerian Army did not play the advantage and pursue them far past where they did even when it was clear that any normal military tactician would read the whole event as a lure to inflict unnecessary casualties on the superior force by directing them into enemy zones of fire. In any case strategy is not what is driving this war, it is technology, motivation and tra

      • Are James says:

        …The drivers of this rather provincial COIN war are technology in terms of hardware, shock effect actions involving concentration of force on weakly defended areas, motivation and training. FulanSitreps is full of insinuated strategies that were never even conceived and would not get anywhere because of sheer socio political dynamics l. Buy the right weapons, deliver ordinance accurately , mop up properly and you have won this war

    • jimmy says:

      The commander was amir he is one of the most want T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network

    • jimmy says:

      Oga peccavi today I will go there with you today my friendship and respect for you not withstanding. The commander was Amir and I am going to be cold verycold : Kodunga was irrelevant.Amir one of the most wanted men and possibly a member of the shura council was the prize ,the other mofos that followed were just simply target practice.I will go there because you asked me to the arty boys used a technique of delayed arty charges overtrees and foilage which produced burst of wooden tree sharpnel.what was left of this rubble was finished of by concussive effects of tank shelling.hence the lack of visible wounds on so many of the bodies in the videos. Maiduguri was supposed to be the target. The sleeper cells were supposed to rise up according an over hperventilating bbc. You are quick sommetimes to over cricize the na now give them credit.I will get to bama and gwoza by Friday. T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network

      • peccavi says:

        Oga Jimmy, I give credit where it is due.
        My position is to review and analyse events and try and use my knowledge and experience to give an opinion. It is left for the reader to agree or disagree and for me to defend or concede a point so I would state respectfully that Konduga is a tactical victory but in terms of the campaign it is irrelevant.
        We did not recapture any major towns, interdict their supply lines or destroy enough men or material to halt their offensive. On the same time BH attacked in Yobe, stole cattle and kidnapped over 50 girls and conscripted dozens of young men. They also launched an attack on Fotokol in Cameroun the next day. Does this sound like a force reeling in defeat, they are attacking Konduga again.

        My point is that defeating them in Konduga, Vimtin, Bazza etc is all well and good but as I will point out in my next piece, this is still allpart of their plan. They now as well as you and I that the counter attack will come and their key objective is to either fight a prestige battle in Maiduguri or suck friendly forces into a grinding battle of attrition all the way back to the Cameroun border.
        Amir is a generic name for an Islamic leader, eg Shekau is Amir of Yusuffiya BH, Al Barnawi is Amir of Ansaru, Al Baghdadi is Amir of ISIL.
        So when I am asking who this Amir is I am not being sarcastic, I genuinely want to know because if we can find out it will tell us which faction is operating in Konduga, and hat helps place things. We need to understand if he is the Amir of a major faction or just a senior commander, eg Amir of a particular group.
        His death is no more significant than the death of a Battalion Commander, a big deal yes but will not change the overall tempo of the campaign

      • jimmy says:

        okay fair enough, I understand you a little bit better now . Valid point taken. AMIR I don’t know whether you saw the leaked video was the commander who led this attack and has been wanted for a very long time. He probably is responsible for the konduga- bama- gwoza axis minus the recent version of shekau. I do agree on the grinding aspect
        the NA needs to capture and eradicate anything called bh in gwoza and bama once and for all. STABILIZATION PERIOD IS OVER, the arty troops they called up from kogi should be in place by now.

  16. Oje says:

    We cannot be buying advanced SAM Systems when we are tittering on the edge of catastrophe as regards Boko Harams relentless assault, why should we divert funds and personnel and training to an air defense system that will most likely not be used in this theater when our army uses obsolete T 50 Tanks and still lacks a credible air arm. Tanks are not meant to charge head on into battle without air cover, our army refuses to bring into the frew Tanks because they know damn well they will be sitting ducks for Boko Harams anti tank guns, IED’s etc. For now all funds should be channeled into winning the war against Boko Haram, only then can we truly relax and talk about national development. Nigerias modermisation plan should start with the army and airforce.

    • Are James says:

      I believe the whole intent of this thread was to paint a post Boko Haram picture amongst ourselves of where we should be (should have been) in terms of the most basic of defence infrastructure. Boko. Haram is not going to define the Nigerian defsec space past December.It is important to start thinking.about getting right again and correcting past mistakes of commission now with the hope that the authorities are reading, correcting us in their minds but still being put in remembrance of what needs to be done.

  17. Oje says:

    Check this out. This is the first and only combat video footage of the Nigerian army fighting Boko Haram. These bravery and gallantry of our fighting men and women must never be underestimated

    • asorockweb says:

      How could you think that is Nigerian Army?!

      That is the Malian Army AFTER the militants have taken over most of the north. I have forgotten what city it was, but the French finally arrived on the scene.

    • Are James says:

      Not Nigeria. I have watched this clip before. Some have said East Africa-Somalia, some said Mali but I was surprised that Malian soldiers actually fought with this kind of movement under fire.

    • peccavi says:

      That is not Nigeria, that is Gao, Mali.
      And if the Nigerian army behaved like these undisciplined, uuntrained yahoos you better start sending all women aged between 3 and 92 into hiding as Boko Haram will over run Nigeria in 5 seconds
      The weapon is a 14.5m AAA gun I believe

  18. Oje says:

    What weapon is that on 0:27, high calibre projectile mounted on an APC? look it up a 0;27

  19. Oje says:

    Take the que to 1:05, what the hell is that?

  20. AreJames says:

    Temporary digression.:
    The Nigerian Army is coming back. It is goodbye to unprofessional conducts and all that stupidity business.

    • jimmy says:

      You were saying oga peccavi T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network

    • jimmy says:

      THE NA NEEDS TO EXPEND MAX POWER AND ARTY AND TANKS AND THEN march on the soft underbelly of GWOZA AND BAMA open up two front simultaneously and destroy Kodunga utterly Targets should be at will this is it bh is throwing everything they have into Kodunga every tank available should fire every shell they have .

      • Ola says:

        Real combats are not fought and won that way. Ask a veteran!

      • jimmy says:

        Sorry you are wrong ,go and look at the video from the second battle,it was dominated by tanks,arty,andregular infantry and the NAF T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network

      • Ola says:

        Thanks for observing that I am wrong, but do you have real urban or inhabited areas battle experience? Do you know why the British and Americans were out of favour with Afghans especially over Helmand province? The Royal marine commandos took over the job of Helmand province from the Americans and they came in shelling and calling in air strikes indiscriminately. Whole villages were levelled in some cases, killing children and adults and livestocks and destroying farmlands! You will never read this on BBC or CNN sites because it’s too embarrassing for them and even military recordings were declared classified, some were even deliberately corrupted and erased so that they would never get to the press by mistake in future. This meant that the people who initially saw the ISAF as forces rescuing them from Talibans became sworn enemies of ISAF. Just check out the ISAF casualty figure from Helmand, that is the effect of not enjoying local support.
        I told the above story to buttress my point here. The presence of civilian population and people’s means of livelihood would not allow artillery units of the NA to indiscriminately shell any of the locations you mentioned above. Those living there are Nigerians and they are the same people NA and NAF are protecting from Boko haram. There is a need therefore to have the good will of the people and let them appreciate what NA and NAF are doing to save them by making civilian causalities from NA to be zero (not realistic) or as minimal as possible.
        My submission is this, let the NAF continue to carry the bulk of the offensive as they have been doing in recent times, after NAF has gone in to soften BH fighters up and NAF has taken out their heavy weapons and caused confusion among their fighters, NA moves in with short range artillery units to do wipe out the confused BH fighters and when they withdraw out of town, then they can be shelled with long range artillery.

      • Ola says:

        We don’t need AI or any “holier than thou agency” poking their noses into our warfare again. Indiscriminate shelling means they would forget the ills of boko haram (which they have never mentioned anyway) and focus on the military.
        I am not sure I have seen the video of the battle you mentioned, could you please share it here? Thanks!

      • jimmy says:

        go to liveleaks .com video
        Evidence of artillery shells bursting above foliage where the bastards took cover
        Evidence of Tanks see tank threads on the ground and parts of the road caved in.I cannot point to Evidence of the aircraft/ helios but dhq have confirmed that airpower has been extensively used

      • Ola says:

        But the army did not just shell indiscriminately and fire at will from long range. If they had, a lot of civies would have been killed too.

      • jimmy says:

        No oga ola you misinterpreted what I was implying the arty strikes were pin pricks.they took cover exactly where you would expect them to take cover..remember someone above is looking down at them……this where the tanks come in.This is as far as I would go.There is a movie called band of brothers and american soldiers are being subjected to a barrage of artillery strikes except none were being targetted to the ground they were being targetted to the trees…….draw your conclusions.

      • peccavi says:

        Oga Ola, the British Army does not and did not shell villages indiscriminately. The processes for calling in artillery and air strikes even in the early days required troops to positively identify the enemy and go through a series of checks to ensure there were minimum civilian casualties. The Royal Marines did not take over from the US, it was the Paras, followed by the Marines followed by 12 Mech Brigade

  21. Oje says:

    And kill civilians and gave Amnesty International on our throat again .v

  22. gbash10 says:

    Oga Beeg, I am still at work, will respond when I get home.However, the NA should not be the only service to own mobile SAM systems.
    Mobile SAM system is the key to check SEAD aircrafts,drones and cruise missiles as well as mobile search or surveillance radars.
    Also,we need land,sea and air jamming platforms, mobile jammers preferable.

  23. Oje says:

    If i had a veto power i will veto any attempt to spend money on ”Star Wars” until we get to the sky, for now we are on the ground. Africa is not a military region (at least South of the Sahara), military largesse will be more of a liability. North African countries might be different when you factor in U.S aid which runs in the billions of dollars, even Egypt has an M1 Abram production facility, North Africa’s proximity to the volatile middle east and shared culture means they will always be courted by both East and West. Museveni of Uganda bought a number of SU-30 Russian fighters with insufficient pilot training, virtually non existent aerial refueling platform, non existent power projection asset, and worse of all, they are retrofitted to carry dumb iron bombs. Kenya with its decades old F-5’s has a more capable air force than Uganda because of superior training and prioritised assets.

    In South Africa, the richest and most technological advanced country in Africa is facing collapse. Their salaries are low, nearly as low as our standard and its perhaps the most strike prone country on earth. Money that should be used to better the lives of the citizens or even the service men are spent on grandiose and unnecessary military largesse with zero existential threat. What i am about to sat might offend people but by now it should be cleared i am not afraid to speak my kind. White South Africa made South Africa what it is today with a standard of living far exceeding those of China or Brazil. Fast forward today, the ANC is taking South Africa back to the stone age, why? because of pride and arrogance, rather than take responsibility they take it out on fellow Africans given rise to xenophobic killings the kind not seen since WW2. Why spend money maintaining a fleet of submarines and buying 4.5 Gen fighters when the available Cheetahs and sky hawk can do the same job allbeit cheaper.

    In Uganda the case cannot be worse. These guys increase defence spending almost 2 folds, cutting of Education budget. Talk of tax payers money going to waste, now as if thats not crazy enough he spends %70 of Ugandas entire defence budget buying 6 SU-30 Jets from Russia. of course With no existent opposition party to question his military expenditure, Museveni silenced his own parliament last year when they tried to cut Defence money and beef up the ailing Health sector, all in the name of an arms race with Sudan lol.

    And here in Nigeria. We have a country that boasts of having by far the most extensive and sophisticated Space programs with 5 Satellites in orbit, fly the most advanced air surveillance aircraft in the entire African continent and fight with 1945 era T-50 Tanks, fly as our main attack fighters aircrafts planes John Travolta and other wealthy men buy for leisure and thrill. At a time when our survival is at stake we are buying aircrafts in pairs. The acquisition of the Embrae Super crapano was announced nearly a year ago and to date we haven’t seen jack shit. President is Jonathan is facing the greatest security challenge in the history of the Nigerian nation, we need all hands on deck to defeat this enemy. Lets stop this Advanced air defence missile shit until we win the war once and for all. Lets not get distracted by patriotic pride and sentiment. Any weapons system that cannot be brought top bear on the enemy should be scarped. We have learn the bitter lesson of lowering our guard and basking in a false sense of security. After Boko Haram is defeated then we can sit down, reflect on the lessons learnt and build the greatest war machine black Africa ever had.

    • saleh says:

      From our history we have only bought arms when there is a threat, Gowon went arm shopping as a result of the civil war, shagari did likewise because of the Chadian crisis. If Nigeria military needs any thing for the BHT crises or not this is the only time they will get it. After this crises arms procurement will not be discussed by the powers that be and they will fall into a false sense of security. Yes the NA needs IFV and tanks to reduce the amount of soft skin vehicles in the theatre. However we should not wait until a mad man decides to knock out our economic centres and other sources of national income. When BHT started they were believed to be armed with AK47s only but now we know better. What stops them from acquire a light AC for a strike at our KPs and VPs. I think in addition to other necessary arms and equipment for combat in the NE we need mobile SAM system for rear area security.

  24. gbash10 says:

    Oje, if you don’t know the importance of advanced air defence,just shut up! and watch your comments carefully. You are not addressing a kindergarten class here take note.

    • Yagazie says:

      Oga gbash10 – please I beg, cool down – remember no personal insults. We have a global readership o!!.

      I for one certainly don’t agree with Oga Oje’s views on this subject- but surely he is entitled to them and has every right to express same. It is for you and I as well as others who hold the same views on this subject matter to, in a rational and logical manner, marshall our points and by superior arguements expose the flaws in his view/way of thinking on this subject..

      To Oga Oje, please on let Oga gbash10’s comment pass. Let me on this occassion take panadol for another person’s headache and apologise on his behalf. No vex I beg. As much as possible, let’s keep the discussions/debate on this blog – factual, curteous and professional.

  25. Ola says:

    Sir Beegs, thanks for raising this issue! Like every other nation that takes aerial/are defence seriously, Nigeria needs a multilayer and diversified aerial defence structure in place. In my opinion, all the three arms of military should come together to chart the way forward on aerial and territorial defence of Nigeria.
    To start with, I would say that we need to put in place total radar coverage of the country, completed with jamming and counter jamming platforms. This would take at least 2 years to do if it is worked intensively upon. We would need electronic warfare specialists to man this preferably men trained as electronics and signals corps. and it would take another couple of years. We would also need need to work hand in hand with civil aviation in this aspect as well as Nigerian space agency -satellites also play important roles here. As a digression, if we had full coverage of the Nigerian airspace, it’d have been much easier to locate the missing Alpha jet.
    We would need to have fixed SAM batteries in 4 places, Lagos, Portharcourt, Kaduna and Abuja. Portharcout and Lagos being economic, populated and coastal cities, Kaduna has being the nerve centre of our little defence industry and it is generally strategic and important to the Nigerian armed forces and Abuja being the seat of power. In addition to this, We need to have at least a squadron of rapid response interceptor fighters. The planes could be divided into units of 4 aircraft and each unit is stationed in Ibadan, Enugu, Makurdi, Maiduguri, Kano and Sokoto -24 aircraft in total. We should have a special unit also in Abuja. having interceptors distributed across these cities gives us complete air coverage of the country against intruders, more so we do not have air tankers yet and usually, interception are usually a short notice deployment that often does not grant the luxury of air-air refuelling. The good thing about this is that if NAF chooses to buy SU-30s, some more can be bought to fill in this role, they just have to be armed with long range air-air missiles.
    Lastly, we need missile and electronic warfare frigates or destroyers for the navy. 2 of them would be absolutely enough. I would say the best bet would be to look west for this. Germany, UK, France and the US. Since we’re sure the US would not sell to us and the UK may play along the US, the best bet would be to look in the direction of Germany first, then France second.
    We would need mobile batteries of SAMs too, such as PANTSIR S1 or 9M317 from the BUK family. These would be stationed with
    It would take us at least a decade to build a system as described above and it would cost $20-25 billion at least.
    I know some may think I am dreaming or living in fantasy, but to be honest, this is the direction I think Nigeria should be thinking in right now. In the next decade, our economy would grow a lot more, a rich but weak Nigeria is a bad idea. It is only wise and good for us to, in the next decade build a robust and long lasting military strength in general by;

    1. Modernising the armed forces
    2. Developing our own domestic defence industries such that we do not have to always run outside to buy everything. Our soldiers should ride in our own APCs, our armed forces should have domestic missiles and missiles systems that complement the ones we buy from foreign suppliers and we need more missile and fast attack boats that are locally built. We need to as a matter of fact stop importing riffles and gears for both regular troops and SF and be making them at home.
    3. Building a robust self defence infrastructure in place, especially for sea and air.
    At least increase the number of our troops by 2/3rd.

    We do not have a war today, but we have hostile neighbours who can be easily used as enemies within by far away, hostile forces. Superior military capability could just serve as a deterrent and a tool to prevent a war in future.

    • Ola says:

      I realise that I have an incomplete statement that reads “We would need mobile batteries of SAMs too, such as PANTSIR S1 or 9M317 from the BUK family. These would be stationed with” in my post above. I meant to say, “We would need mobile batteries of SAMs too, such as PANTSIR S1 or 9M317 from the BUK family. These would be stationed with military commands in each of the geopolitical zones of the country”
      The cities I listed as host of our interceptor squadron were strategically chosen. As it is today, we have a HUGE airspace to cover and it is not strategically wise for interceptors to be stationed in one particular location or that the conventional airforce should be carrying out the role of interceptors. Rather, having an air wing of the aerial defence system that is autonomous of the airforce means they would be our “first responders” in case of aerial assaults and they can buy the conventional airforce ample time to react. Locating them in the cities I mentioned means that as a squadron, they have the ENTIRE Nigerian airspace covered and if our airspace is breached from any side, the closest interceptor to that location of breach can be up in minutes and confronting the threat as quickly as possible.
      Lastly, we need at least 2 AWACS planes that serve both the conventional airforce and the aerial defence system.

  26. Tope says:

    Oje u have come again , im sorry we need Air Defence SAMs because last I checked Morrocco, Egypt, Algeria are all settin aside over 250 billion dollars when u add their recent shoppin list, just this mornin I read Egypt and Russia have signed deals worth 3.5 billion dollars , we are talkin of makin our nation secured see what the Iron Dome is doing for Israel , do you want us to do Fire Brigade till Sudan or one other unfriendly country sends SAM mistakenly? Please oga contribute or hold your peace.

    • Yagazie says:

      Oga Tope- Oga Oje has a right to express his view even if we don’t agree with them. We all can’t be singing from the same hymn sheet- or else life will become boring.

      At the end of the day, he like the rest of us are all patriots who want the very best for our country and its defence capabiliies. We simply have different views as to how to achieve the same objective. So let’s hear what he has to say, understand his rationale for holding such views (which in any event do have some merit) and then counter same with our own well thought out views.

      Remember we are not the decision makers who will decide whether or not to upgrade/purchase a new Air Defence Missile System. However we hope that by expressing various views which are either for or against such a purchase- the decision makers are ‘assisted’ by having a complete picture/facts on both sides of the arguments before making the decision one way or the other.

    • Oje says:

      Which $250 billio? China, which is the worlds second biggest defence spender doesnt even spend half that amount on defence. Where is Egypt and Algeria getting $250 billion to buy arms?

  27. Jon says:

    My 2 kobo:

    1.) Govt must procure air defense system based on the reasons provided by Oga Saleh – Govt only procures during emergencies and then falls back into a false sense of security for several decades. A combination of fixed system and supportig mobile systems such as the S-300 and Buk systems recently displayed in Ukraine. The government should be BOLD and address this issue once and for all – procure, develop and install a comprehensive mid to long range NATIONAL air defense system – covering all zones of the country. Once you do it once its done and Govt only now has to worry about periodic upgrades in the future to an existing national system. Stop this piece meal approach. Would you want to live in Sokoto or Katsina knowing only Abuja and Kaduna have air defense shields. Likewise would you want to live in Benin, Enugu or Ibadan knowing only Lagos and Port-harcourt are covered by an air defense network??

    2.) NAF must procure something in the range of 3 squadrons of air superiority aircraft that is between 60 to 75 air superiority fighters (SU-35 and/or SU-27 upgraded). I prefer those variants to the SU-30 simply because they require 1 pilot while the SU-30 requires 2 pilots. If you want to be called and known as the big boy on the continent then you have to be able to back it up when a challenge comes up. This can be done by installment.

    3.) NAF must procure 5 or 6 second-hand or even third hand air refueling tankers and refurbish them to work with the air superiority fighters and interceptor squadrons.

    4.) Assuming NAF already have 15 F-7 airguard – and NAF acquires 3 squadron of SU 35 and/or SU-27 upgraded you don’t need to buy JF-17 block 1, block 2 or block 3. The SU35 and SU27 are better than the JF-17.

    • Are James says:

      The argument for brand new jets swings everything in favour of acquiring some JF17s. This is not prejudicial to your point that the SU series are better but cost benefit analysis would favour a healthy mix of both versus all new SU series.

    • Oje says:

      Government must not procure air defense missiles until we buy enough Tanks, artillery and fighter jets to win this war. Do you have any idea how long it takes to train men using these platforms which we have no experience with? You are talking months, you seriously think we have the luxury of months?

  28. Oje says:

    @ gbash10, my mouth are sealed sir.

    @ Tope

    There are two ways to go about this generally. Over 2 decades of neglect will not be erased automatically, not even in one term. We have two choices, we can either join the North Africans in a dick measuring contest like many here are promulgating or we can put sentiments aside and be realistic. Sure lets by the S 400 triumph, Algeria has the SA-21 , afterall we are a bigger economy. Egypt receives more than $ 5 Billion in aid annually from the U.S Congress, this is a pat in the back for kotowing to Israel and being a middle ground for the United States whose only ally in the middle east was Saudi Arabia and its protege Israel. Make no mistake, check my previous posts on this blog you will see i am completely in line with a resurgent Nigerian military but dick heads like gbash and co seems to think we can achieve total modernisation of our armed forces in months by acquisitions.

    I dare say since the late or early nineties our government systematically disarmed our armed forces not just in equipment but in training as well. All the tanks, all the artillery guns were disarmed and locked up and i am sure this led many of our best officers to quit or were expelled. Fortunately or unfortunately Boko Haram has opened our yansh. Its takes ignorance to believe we can eradicate 30 years of neglect and rebuild our military to its former glory while fighting a war of attrition with territories being lost almost weekly. gbash, go to the frontline and tell our brave infantry men given a few magazines and AK 47 that they should not worry, they should fight on, we are buying advanced Russian Missile Defense Systems. It amazes me how people who claim to be expert analyst bladabladabla do not even seem to comprehend what is happening. This is the biggest existential threat to Nigeria in its 100 year history, worse than the Biafra Civil war. As we speak half a million Nigerians are living under the shadow of Boko Haram, you kids were beheaded some time ago for smoking cigarettes, there are 400,000 Nigerian refugees (Yes 400,000) in Cameroon at the moment. Do you want me to be politically correct and lie to my elf we are winning this war as it is? especially with the 2015 election near? or do you want to eat your humble pie and accept reality. Before you modernise there must be peace, no country modernises its armed forces while fighting a war.. wtf?

    The backbone of any Army is the Infantry, Armoured and Artillery Corps. They are the ones that fight the wars. All other corps largely provide support services. Should we modernise? ABSOLUTELY, how do we start? here is my take: les us consider first, some of the equipment holdings of the Armoured Corps of the Nigerian Army, of the 129 T-55 main battle tanks owned, 19 are out of service, 9 has been given as gift to Boko Haram. Similarly, only 36 oif our 150 Victers Mk 3 battle tanks are functional. Out of 120 AML Reconnaissance vehicles, only 40 were functional in 2010, and only 4 Saxon Armoured Personnel Carriers were operational out of 75. No wonder, we could not send an armoured corps to Mali and Dafur, instead we sent mobile police men.

    We must modernise o, but before we buy STAR WARS MISSILE DEFENSE lets see our the Artillery Corps. We have 48 155mm FH-77B Howitzers but only 38 are working. Out of 200 122mm D124/D30 (not sure of the serial number so forgive me) Field Guns, only 84 worked in 2010, while all the eight 122mm BM-21 rocket launchers we had have wrecked n. But at least our anti-dank weapons cache is slightly better, though pathetic by the standards of modern warfare. We have 3,000 RPGs for the entire Infantry Corps, explaining why our soldiers in Madugury cannot have any to purshue back rebel attacks. We had 240 of 3.5″ RL M20 anti-tank guns but when you have a country where equipment continually depreciates with no effort or resources put into maintenance or replacement, barely 10% (65) of those guns are functional.

    Wait o, let us continue, i know i am not patriotic but lets continue. I only 12 of the 50 40mm Bofors L/60 air defense weapons are still doing what they were purchased to do. The list goes on and on with barely any of the categories having all their equipment ready for the defence job for which they are meant. And yet, we budget over nearly $6.5 billion or %2.1 of our GDP on defence!

    Do you know why i am angry Oga Beeg? It is also embarrassingly painful and sad to note that our armed forces even before now has been the subject of jest among peace keeping contingent. Lets leave out the hardwares for a while, what causes soldiers to mutiny or flee? corwardice? HELL NO ! Nigerians are known world wide for our aggresivness, this attribute is evident in our soldiers, police, armed robbers and even terrorist, so you now our soldiers do not run away but then..personal equipment such as boots, blankets and bullet proof vests, which to say the least is pathetic.

    Nigeria was until recently, the biggest African contributor in terms of quantity to global peacekeeping.. where did we go wrong? our pride is wounded,

    It will take us 10 years to gain regain the qualititive edge and disciplined and professionalismn our soldiers were once revered for. Even the aggresive fighting reputation we used to have no longer exists as all it takes to disarm our ill equipped troops are rag tag bandits who in one single raid carts away our Tank and artillery.Oga gbash you want to by S-300 Advanced short and meduim range air defense system, have our military brass told us in quantitative terms the number of amor weve lost to Boko Haram?. Something needs to be done. Oga beeg, weather you like it or not you are a military combatant because this blog like it or not is part of efforts to help Nigeria win the war. I dare say our latest acquisition was partly because of the existence of this blog… Air defense system should be at the back sit when it comes to winning this war.We do not have the luxury of time to engage in dick measuring largese like our North African counterparts. I have said my own.

    • igbi says:

      I hate to break my silence, but i am not doing this for myself, rather I am doing this for Nigeria, although there are many other cases in which i could have broken my silence to hold the nigerian flag and dispell lies.

      Oje, you know nothing about Nigeria and Africa in general. When you are able to confuse Nigerian soldiers with malian soldiers in a video which was seen by every military conscious person on this world then please take a bow.
      Your write up was filled with many inaccuracies, i didn’t address some of your rhetorical statements and to conclude with I think you are aware that Nigeria having modern air defence is against US interests and true to your nature you rose up to defend US interests. Here are some of the inaccuracies i noticed:
      “Egypt receives more than $ 5 Billion in aid annually from the U.S Congress”
      It seems to me that it is rather between 1 and two billion US dollars, and it recieves those in the form of US weaponry.
      “there are 400,000 Nigerian refugees (Yes 400,000) in Cameroon at the moment”
      I think you really have to hug reality, cameroon doesn’t have room for such a large number of foreigners, Ii wonder where you are getting your numbers
      “no country modernises its armed forces while fighting a war.. wtf?”
      Actually it is the totall opposite, and perhaps you can recall Russia modernizing its forces during the WW2 while german soldiers were on its soil, or perhaps you can recall Ukraine modernizing its forces right now in order to crush its insurgency ! And meet its security needs. And by the way for someone who is calling for the invasion of Cameroon (an ally against boko haram), rejecting air defence which would come handy when france would be siding cameroon with war planes doesn’t amke sense. By the way it is weird that you want Nigeria to attack Cameroon at the very time Cameroon joins the fight against boko haram, therefore choking boko homos rear base and supply lines.
      “The backbone of any Army is the Infantry, Armoured and Artillery Corps. They are the ones that fight the wars. All other corps largely provide support services.”
      That is how most military men though prior ww1, things have changed since then.
      “of the 129 T-55 main battle tanks owned, 19 are out of service, 9 has been given as gift to Boko Haram. Similarly, only 36 oif our 150 Victers Mk 3 battle tanks are functional. Out of 120 AML Reconnaissance vehicles, only 40 were functional in 2010, and only 4 Saxon Armoured Personnel Carriers were operational out of 75.”
      Really where are you getting or cooking up your numbers ?
      ” No wonder, we could not send an armoured corps to Mali and Dafur, instead we sent mobile police men”
      Actually Nigeria sent troops with heavy weaponry for AFISMA and withdrew troops after AFISMA beginned and sent only MOPOL for MINUSMA.
      And Nigeria does have a lot of armour in Darfur.
      “barely 10% (65) of those guns are functional.
      And yet, we budget over nearly $6.5 billion or %2.1 of our GDP on defence!”
      Once again where are your numbers being cooked up. And if you knew simple maths then you would know that $6.5 billion is 1.27% of $510 billion.
      “Nigeria was until recently, the biggest African contributor in terms of quantity to global peacekeeping.. where did we go wrong? our pride is wounded”
      As of today Nigeria is still the biggest UN troop contributing nation in Africa.

      On an other note did I spy some “prominent” bloggers trying to defend a boko homo propagandist ? to the concerned who know themselves and who everybody know, don’t waste your time replying me.

      By the way good work to the Nigerian armed fores, keep it up.

      • igbi says:

        point of self correction: *Actually Nigeria sent troops with heavy weaponry for AFISMA and withdrew troops after AFISMA ended and sent only MOPOL for MINUSMA*

  29. Oje says:

    Dude, who are you calling Boko Haram Propagandist? ME? If you cannot outline your reasons for disagreement with my views then don’t call me Boko Haram. Oga beeg this blog must not be allowed to be a Propaganda machine for the government where everybody says the same, how great things are and talking about grandiose projects like Surface to air missiles . Constructive criticism should be allowed as if all is well we wont be in the mess we are in now Please lets not dample the credibility of this blog by turning it to Communist China CCTV or PRESS TV.You are obviously out of sync with reality when you keep romanticizing this war like its a television reality show, every body must be on the same page. Our soldiers in the front are being out maneuvered and overrun because of bad and depleted equipment, not because of some air defense force.

    Facts : Our armor is depleted, the few remaining will not see combat because it will be disastrous. If you think we can modernize our armed forces while fighting what is largely a semi conventional war now then you are mistake. Give me facts, which country on earth uses advanced S-300 or any other platform for air defense and T-55 Tanks as its armoured regiment?

    • igbi says:

      Actually if you read what i wrote then it would be very clear i wasn’t calling you boko haram propagandist. And it is pretty clear the boko homos propagandaist in question is fulanstrip.

    • igbi says:

      What you still don’t get is that Nigeria has the money to buy both the air defence and also the modern tanks, Nigeria is not zimbabwe. You really lack knowledge about Nigeria and its armed forces.
      “Facts : Our armor is depleted, the few remaining will not see combat because it will be disastrous.” I always find it funny when people place the word fact before either something they know to be a lie or something they think but have no proof of. Hug reality, please.

      • Oje says:

        Ok, all is fine, why is it hard then for our soldiers to defend and hold army basis against insurgents driving Toyota Hiluxes. 50 Toyota Hilux trucks will be no match for just 5 Tanks stationed at the gate. Tanks are armoured plated and only the most powerful of projectiles will take it out. Our Shikkar high velocity gun nko? Where are the 300 + Tanks the Nigerian army has? Where are our field artillery? or multiple launch rocket systems? This bitter war of attrition is bleeding us dry. As you and me are here debating Boko Haram has done the inauguration ceremony of its self appointed Emir of Bokorizstan. Do you see what the time is? you dont want me to sleep thats why you are hell bent on antagonizing and shooting down my suggestions. Figures why you like this SAM, pretty good at shooting down things huh.

      • igbi says:

        Look, I don’t know why you are adressing theses questions to me, you have Oga Beegs who is much more qualified than I and he is willing to respond to you. I only shot down your inaccuracies because they were pretty obvious. I do not have your time, I am working tomorrow and I have copies to mark. i can’t spend my remaining sleeping time playing a “ping pong” debate with you.

    • jimmy says:

      While you are entitled to your opinion you should try to substantiate it with facts
      #1 our armor is not depleted and is currently seeing action in KONDUNGA The facts speak for themselves via the tracked streets shown in the video.
      I honestly do not know what your angle is I do not know whether you are an American Masquerading as a Nigerian or a Nigerian Masquerading as an American.
      Two weeks ago you were shouting from the roof top as to how we should simultaneously invade both Cameroon and Chad, This week you have changed tactics maybe because of the hosts of condemnations you received from the likes of oga peccavi, oga jon and the other bloggers. This week at the mention of Nigeria upgrading her air systems you have flown into a rage now based on your surmise we do not have any towed artillery , self propelled artillery despite compelling evidence to the contrary in Damboa, Bama, and Kodunga. I say this with the greatest amount of respect, this is a genuine blog for Nigerians who love Nigeria, please leave if you have nothing to contribute except to be a troll/ troublemaker/ provocateur.
      This is a place for serious minded people, if you notice I did not call you oga because i really do not know what you are. Initially when you came on this blog you asked OGA BEEGS whether he was a Nigerian ? I then asked you are you a Nigerian to which you never replied, Again I ask are you a Nigerian because you sure do not sound like one

  30. beegeagle says:

    Oga Oje, I called on you to ventilate typically ultra-Western views for the sake of balance. So what has this got to do with me? Show your powers of articulation and if you draw flak to yourself, manoeuvre. What has CCTV or PRESS TV got to do with it? You have not seen hundreds of AFP, REUTERS and VOA reports on these pages?

    In your initial riposte to my prodding for you to say something, you alluded to people here saying that you are anti-Russia/China. PERHAPS you are drawing flak because they think you are merely shooting down the idea because no one has naively nominated any Western-made systems, knowing how sanctimonious the manufacturing nations can be.

    BTW, have you ever cared to check out what Tanzania have put in place for an air defence system on a GDP that is one-twelfth of ours? What do they have to protect, if one were to go by your one-track narrative? Where you not aware when UGANDA acquired Su-30s, S-125 Pechora SAMs and T90 tanks in one hop? Who said Nigeria cannot procure battle tanks, fighter jets, attack helos and SAMs in one loop?

    As far as arms procurement goes, I am respectfully led to believe that you are the most hopeful but least realistic of us all. Until 1966, Nigeria did not own ANY non-Western weapon systems. It was the excessive paternalism of the West which saw a budding NAF which hitherto operated Piaggio and Dornier aircraft plunging straight into MiGs, Delfins and Ilyushins AFTER the West refused to sell to us. The NA only operated Panhard AFVs, Ferret scout cars, Saladin AFVs, Saracen APCs, M20 bazookas, 84mm Carl Gustavs, Bofors and Oerlikon AA guns, 105mm arty and M40 106mm RRs – all Western-made – before the Civil War. It was their refusal to sell which led the NA to turn to Russia for 122mm arty and SHILKA SPAAGs. Even the NN acquired Komar torpedo boats from Russia for the first time ever.

    Post-war Nigeria became the richest and most powerful state in black Africa and in the face of the amoral politics of the Cold War era, the same West sold us stripped down weapons all round just so that we do not get too cosy with “Ivan the Terrible”. The West will not sell but won’t want us to explore our options. As soon as the Cold War was over, they conveniently slammed military sanctions against Nigeria and that decimated our military asset base.

    Yet when more experienced and wily compatriots in their wisdom suggest SUSTAINABLE options for the country, you shoot it down in a manner which suggests that your loyalty to America far outstrips whatever considerations you have for Nigeria’s national interest. When you are not telling us how potent the M1 Abrams is, you are wowing at the F22. Fact is, we do not give a toss about any of those BECAUSE they are not on the rack for us. I humbly suggest that you get with the rhythm. So it sounds comical to hear you calling for Apaches when you cannot even get one third party AH-1 Cobra. You are rooting for A10 Warthogs when you cannot get one uparmoured Hummer off America?

    Sometimes there has to be reality checks to go with the wishlist o

    • Oje says:

      I agree with you Oga Beeg, but no air defence will save us from the enemy if we cannot stop them on the ground, for this you need Tanks, artillery, helicopters, jets etc. It took Boko Haram just 10 days to overrun 5 Nigerian villages. This should put things in perspective for you.

      • CHYDE says:

        @ Oje if you’ve been following trends from Operation Desert Storm to the toppling of Gadafi even to this current BH saga and even the ISIS crisis in Iraq, you will discover that AIR COVER has played a VITAL role. It’s difficult to send in ground troops without first soften the ground targets. So AIR DEFENCE is very vital to the Nigerian State.

  31. Oje says:

    Oga igbi, maybe you did not understand me well. I am not saying we do not have the money, we do. 39 billion barrels of oil reserve is not joke, a $49 billion external reserve is no joke as well, what i am alluding to is that with the present limited resources now it will be rational for out military brass to take care of the present fighting first on the short term Pantsir and Triumph SAM system should be medium term endeavour. Our present capital expenditure for arms is not nearly enough to meet our present day challenges. With limited funds it should be rational to take care of the war first effort first by buying equipment that can be used to prosecute the war first. Night Vision goggles, bullet proof vest, long range artillery, howitzers.. Tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles. On the bright side the acquisition and early delivery of the first batch of MI-35 which is one of the most advanced helicopter gunships in the world is a step in the right direction and you will see when fully inducted into the armed service it will turn the tide. As we speak Boko Haram just coronated its emir in Bama. Gentlemen like play like play Borno is being invaded and annexed, they have their flag and now they have an emir, heck this is a semi autonomous state now, half Boko Haram half Federal Government. Mean while the plea for better equipment to presecute the war was met with deaf ears until the mutiny and subsequent desertion of our soldiers. Better late than never. With the present capital stricture we cannot afford to leave the Nigerian army which bears the brunt of the Boko Haram insurgency to keep managing. Imagine the difference new acquisition for front line forces will make. Superior fire power, we need offensive weapons to save our contry. After the war lets by SAM systems50 new T-72 Tanks, 50 MLRS, 20 Super Tucano, 25 SU-30- will be a major boost, either that or let Mr President authorise at least $5 billion to be spent on arms alone, then we can afford to aquire these SAMS and at the same time take care of our ground forces and airforce.

    • igbi says:

      Please adress this to Oga Beegs, i have no time to reply you.
      Look, now you are throwing this on the way: “As we speak Boko Haram just coronated its emir in Bama. Gentlemen like play like play Borno is being invaded and annexed, they have their flag and now they have an emir, heck this is a semi autonomous state now, half Boko Haram half Federal Government” therefore distracting from the subject at hand. Ofcourse you know i am going to tell you that Bama is not under boko haram hands and neither is the half of Borno as you claim. And please try and process this sentence: Nigeria has enough money to buy all the equipment we need including modern high tech air defence systems. And it is erronous to be looking at the budget as reference because the new wave of equipment purchase is not included in the budget, so why should you expect the air defence system to be included in the budget.
      Everybody saw what happened to airdefence free Libya !
      In my opinion this is what took place in Libya:
      1) terrorists were given amnesty and housing benefits by the Libyan government
      2) the same terrorists disguised as Libyan soldiers and opened fire on civilians
      3) The US, France and Britain knowing Libya had no air defence used airstrikes to weaken libyan defences and empower the insurgency.
      4) Libya is bombed into stone age.
      That was my reading of the Libyan saga, and no body needs to agree with numbers 1) and 2). But it remains that air defence is necessary if souvereignty is valued.
      And once again Nigeria can more than afford it. I know that the point you don’t like is the fact that air defence means the US air base in chad wouldn’t be able to threaten Nigeria. By all your posts everybody understands by now that Nigeria is not your interest, the US is.

  32. Oje says:

    It appears to me you are having a hard time digesting what i mean by prioritising short and long term goals. I am making my point on the context of present day budgetary allocation of $1 billion or more for capital expenditure. We have money yes, your argument should be we need a bigger defence budget.

    • peccavi says:

      Oga Oje, you are right, an integrated air defence is of our problems right now and takes it place last on the list off restructuring, reequipping, retraining and redeploying the Army, giving the NAF a credible fixed and rotary wing lift capabllity, close air support, deep strike/ air superiority capability, developing ablue water navy and effective littoral/ off shore capability but it is still a useful exercise to visualise what such a system should look like, and the structure and doctrine to me is more important than which missiles or guns go into it

  33. Augustine says:


    Ruling the air from the land is part of the constitutional duties of the Nigerian army.

    Does it sound paradoxical? Or like an oxymoron?

    The constitution has given the army the responsibility to protect the nation’s territorial integrity on land, but there is an airspace above the lands of Nigeria, therefore, the Nigerian army has a duty to protect both land battle-space and the air-battle space.

    Situations arise when the army has to be deployed in a foreign territory where their is no opportunity for the air force to be jointly deployed, due to difficulties of unavailable land and logistics for an air base, or no approval from the ‘hostile host’ country for such a base to deploy air force aircraft in support of the army’s ground operations. This could occur when the army is being deployed by a sea amphibious operation when such is the only means of landing on the territory.

    Our arch enemy Boko Haram’s rag-tag army fights to control and defend the airspace of it’s stolen cities and town from the grounds.

    Nigerian army air defense artillery corp has the role of controlling Nigeria’s entire airspace from the ground.

    How safe is Nigeria’s airspace at home? We have an air force, but aircraft can hardly fly 24 hours every day and be airborne at all points and all times over a vast Nigerian territory of almost one million square kilometers.

    Threats to Nigeria exist from emerging air forces around us, many African air forces now have 4th generation aircraft with enough range to penetrate Nigerian airspace, do quick damage to Lagos, Port Harcourt, Niger Delta oil region, etc. Sudan, Chad, Algeria, Egypt, and Angola have this capability with their MiG-29 jets, Su-30 Flankers jets, F-16 jets, and possibly South Africa’s quest for new air refueling tankers after retiring their Boeing 707 tanker air fleet around year 2007, will give the Gripens range to hit Nigeria if friends disagree in future and go to war.

    Friends? South Africa’s navy ship SAS Drakensberg was in Ivory coast in year 2011 said to be loaded with special forces and helicopters to support the opposite side in the Ivorein conflict against Nigeria’s allied side being helped by our military.

    Freinds? Today, former ‘blood oath’ allies Russia and Ukraine are indirectly at ‘war’ by proxy. The Russian air force is far superior to it’s Ukranian counterpart, and the air defences of Ukraine cannot stand up to a full scale Russian air assault.

    As Nigeria arms itself all over again with modern equipment to fight a COIN war against the Boko Haram insurgency, the armed forces should not forget that they are primarily built to fight conventional wars and have to rebuild that capacity too, starting slowly now and gaining momentum after the defeat of Boko Haram.

    The best time to prepare for wartime is peacetime .

    Nigeria’s next enemy might be the one that has an air force of 4th Generation combat aircraft in larger numbers than the NAF would ever have. You are the only trustworthy friend of your own self, others can in the future turn situations into a Russia Vs Ukraine, ‘Brother’ vs ‘Brother’ shocking scenario.

    Air defence is a means of survival for a nation in hostile times..

    Operation Focus was the opening airstrike by Israel at the start of the Six-Day War in 1967. It is sometimes referred to as “Sinai Air Strike”. At 07:45 AM on June 5, 1967, the Israeli Air Force under Major General Mordechai Hod launched a massive airstrike that destroyed the majority of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground. By 12 Noon, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Air Forces, with about 450 aircraft, were destroyed. It was also very successful in disabling 18 airfields in Egypt, hindering Egyptian Air Force operations for the duration of the war, and remains one of the most successful air attack campaigns in military history.

    That lightening surprise strikes by the Israeli Air force crippled the Egyptian air force on the ground sitting in their air bases before the Egyptians recovered from the shock initial shock, mighty Egypt has NO AIR FORCE anymore, the Israeli jets should have been stopped at the borders by a calibre of air defense systems that the Egyptians did not have in 1973.

    Weak air defenses will make you lose a war even before the battle has started, once your enemy takes the initiative to strike first.

    No air force, no matter how powerful, is able to patrol a big nation’s airspace 24 hours every day of every year, especially in peace time. It is the duty of the Nigerian army to patrol Nigeria’s air from the ground 24 hours everyday. In conjunction with air force radars and a modern strategic level data-link like the NATO link-16, the army patrols and defends the air space in peacetime to prevent a sudden defeat at the beginning of a sudden war, by an enemy carrying out a SEAD or just knocking out strategic targets for economic damage, or the army itself could be a target of enemy surprise attacks to destroy it’s heavy weapons like artillery and tank regiments, or vital fuel and ammunition-ordnance depots, thus creating huge logistic and firepower degrading of the army while their own land forces will be ready to attack in full capacity and earn easy victory.

    It will take a Nigerian air force jet fighter based in Makurdi TAC base about 15 minutes to scramble and reach the extreme ends of Nigeria to intercept enemy aircraft. In 5 minutes, the enemy has launched guided bombs or long range stand off missiles and returned back to base, it will be chased but never caught. The damage has been done. African countries like including the under-estimated Kenya has hundreds of stand-off air to ground missiles some of which can hit targets 70km away from the launch aircraft.

    France, the great dread of the Nigerian nation, the backbone of all our francophone neighbours, has the capacity to fly into and out of Nigerian air space in defence of Cameroon or Chad at any time. Even with our renewed air force which is still about 10 times smaller than that of France in combat aircraft, we need the army to patrol and defend Nigeria’s airspace from the ground in peace time, and in wartime.

    The fear of existing or non-existing Russian S-300 long range air defence missile systems of Syria has kept Israeli air force away, leaving them to make threats and not act as quickly as they did when the Israeli air force invaded Iraq and destroyed her nuclear reactor in June 1981.

    Air defence can be structured in three ways or formations.

    1. Grid mapping
    2. Perimeter mapping
    3. Field Mobile units for home and foreign deployment

    Grid air defence formations requires the entire territory to be mapped into squares, each of which will be defended by radar and anti-aircraft guns/missiles with enough coverage and range to protect the entire area of each square, and could overlap to a fair extent to remove any gaps or holes.

    Nigerian army can grid our nation using the six geo-political zones as a guide.

    It is advisable that each grid has the same level of air defense capability to avoid the enemy striking with more force of air power on the weaker square and destroying vital targets, or begin to degrade the integrated air defense systems from the weak areas into the stronger zones by launching long range stand-off guided weapons.

    Perimeter air defense formation would require air defense network around the borders without leaving any gaps, and yet positioning the defense sites some reasonable distance from all boundries to avoid them being run over by enemy ground forces and resulting in the punching of one big hole in the air defense coverage which enemy air forces could penetrate unchallenged.

    Field mobile units for local air defence of territory at home and abroad, is another type of formation.
    This is basically what Nigerian army has today with it’s obsolete Roland anti-aircraft missile launcher systems.

    Whichever of these three formations is deployed, only the ground based air defense systems can sit down on one spot, without expensive costs of running, and effectively protect the airspace of a nation. The air force in minute by minute patrol will incur unsustainable cost and eventually wear out their aircraft in no time. Aircraft have manufacturer specified flight hours for each life-time to end of useful life.

    For landlocked countries, it is simply a matter of the army and air force. For Nigeria as a nation with an ocean front line to defend, the Navy is part of the front line air defense integrated systems in the overall network. Data-links will play a major role for exchange of information without the enemy being able to intercept messages.

    The naval bases have to come under the coastal section of the air defence umbrella, or a nation could have another December 1941 World War II American Pearl Harbour disaster in which Japan sank virtually a whole US Navy fleet or regional command within a few hours of air to ground bombing. Surprises will give birth to military disaster where effective total coverage air defense systems are lacking.

    Nigerian navy should be a seaborne early warning ‘ground based’ air defense segment, with data-links to the army and air force air defense units on the hinterland.

    The most important component of modern day air defense is the Radar. No radar, no effective air defense.

    Next are the anti-aircraft and anti-missile weapons.

    These should be followed with communication systems and the modern standard is the Tactical Data Links that connects all three armed forces wherever they are and enables them to share safe, protected and encrypted information about the enemy and about themselves, without the enemy being able to intercept the secure messages.

    Nigeria is now ripe for modern day requirements of Tactical Data-links like the NATO Link-16 which is a High Capacity, ECM Resistant, Multifunctional, TDMA Link.

    Air defence systems in modern times today will require :

    1. Radars, a total coverage radar for Nigeria as a whole, and sub-radar units independently owned by the army, navy and air force and deployed at different position. Radars will detect enemy aircraft from long distances and serve as ground based early warning surveillance equipment.

    2. Data-Link connecting all these radars and all other air defence stations or equipment to operate and cooperate by sharing vital and quickly needed information.

    3. Anti-aircraft missiles
    4. Anti-aircraft guns
    5. Anti-missile guns called C-RAM on land, but called CIWS on board warships.
    C-RAM is Counter Rocket, Artillery and Mortar on land. CIWS is the Close In Weapon System at sea.
    This is anti-missile warfare of the modern day, nothing else will stop a missile in a normal situation, not all missiles can be jammed, an unguided rocket is an unguided missile. A missile you cannot stop is an angel of quick death once it has found you and is on course to the target, this is what led the world of air defence to build C-RAM systems for modern military forces of today.

    You may need C-RAM to stop enemy anti-radiation missiles that would knock out all your radars and your entire air defence systems will turn blind in a few minutes, then the enemy has a field day penetrating with aircraft and wrecking havoc. This is one of the reasons Iraq lost the Gulf war and the great Iraqi army was reduced to ashes on the ground by American air power.

    You may need to stop graphite munitions.
    A graphite bomb (also known as the “Blackout Bomb” or the “Soft Bomb”) is a non-lethal weapon used to disable electrical power systems. Graphite bombs work by spreading a cloud of extremely fine, chemically treated carbon filaments over electrical components, causing a short-circuit and a disruption of the electrical supply. The filaments are only a few hundredths of an inch thick and can float in the air like a dense cloud. The weapon is sometimes referred to as a “soft bomb”, since its effects are largely confined to the targeted electrical power facility, with minimal risk of collateral damage.

    The graphite bomb was first used against Iraq in the Gulf War (1990–1991), knocking out 85% of the electrical supply. Similarly, the graphite bomb was used by NATO against Serbia in May 1999, disabling 70% of that country’s power grid.

    6. Electronic warfare jamming and anti-jamming equipment.

    The modern age of electronic warfare can allow an enemy to simply jam all your air defense systems, this was another major reason why Iraq lost the Gulf war.
    Countries like South Africa have formidable jamming capabilities on board their Gripen jets and Oryx helicopters. Similar capability is possessed also by Morocco, Egypt, and Algeria.

    7. Integration of the entire separate units of air defense systems into a network of GBADS…Ground Based Air Defence Systems.

    South African army is currently building a GBADS system in peace time, it may be too late to start integrating your air defenses in war time, the manufacturer may not feel safe building it for you when your air defense is open to enemy attacks, he will be the first casualty. Your enemy will not open his eyes and watch the Indians or Chinese build a GBADS for you to use against him in battle.
    When a nation’s air defense fails in a war, that nation will be humiliated and punished with heavy losses of human lives and equipment by the enemy air force.

    Air defense also enables you, if your air force cannot fly for some reasons, to also deny the enemy the use of it’s own air force and create a balance of power and safe theatre for your army to operate.

    What are Nigeria’s basic urgent needs for our air defense in the short term, medium term, and long term?

    These would be determined by available funds, and choice of systems.

    1. Short range air defense systems without supporting radar.

    At platoon level up to company level, hand held MANPADS without radar assistance will suffice for point defense against weak and low flying air threats.

    Russian or Chinese modern SAMs will be enough to fill this gap easily.
    The cheap and effective options are the modern Chinese FN-6 and the FN-16 hand held anti-aircraft missiles. 6km range and 3.5km altitude-ceiling is good capability.

    Nigerian army’s current Blowpipe and SA-7 MANPADS belong to the ‘stone-age’ past.
    The Chinese FN-6 or better FN-16 is an urgent need for the Nigerian army today.

    2. Short range air defense systems plus integrated radar :

    At battalion level, there are more men and equipment to protect in the battle theatre. Also, this air defense system will be needed to protect important sites for social, economic or political reasons.
    Systems with non-integrated radar or separate radar may be a big disadvantage, you have to move more than one vehicle around and this defeats the purpose of quick response to immediate air
    Nigerian army’s Roland SAM was good in the 1980s and 1990s, but unfortunately the Roland is now an obsolete museum relic that needs urgent replacement, possibly in batches.

    The best option in the market today for Nigeria seems to be the Russian Pantsir-S1.

    This mighty defender combines anti-aircraft missiles and guns, plus enemy detection radar all one one single vehicle.

    It is a short to medium range ground based air defence system, wheeled, tracked or stationary with two to three operators. Its air defense consists of automatic anti-aircraft guns and surface-to-air-missiles with radar or optical target-tracking and radio-command guidance. Its purpose is protection of civil and military point and area targets, for motorised or mechanised troops up to regimental size or as defensive asset of higher ranking air defence systems like S-300/S-400.

    Aerial targets include everything with a minimum radar-cross-section of 1 cm2 and speeds up to a maximum of 1km per second within a maximum range of 20km and heights up to 15km —including all types of aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, cruise missiles and air-to-ground precision guided weapons. The system is able to defend against stealth aircraft, and has capability for anti-munitions missions….C-RAM.

    The Pantsir-S1 also offers Nigerian army a cheap source of C-RAM anti-missile capability at point to almost area level.

    The altitude of air defense weapons is very crucial, it is the maximum height a missile will climb up vertically to hit a target, while the range is the horizontal or parabolic travel distance of a missile.
    If the missile altitude is low, the enemy aircraft simply climbs above that level and freely attacks the targets below, the missile launcher itself and it’s operator will be the first victims.

    Most modern jet fighters and ground attack aircraft fly below 20km altitude.

    Pilots hate air defenses, it makes their wives widows and children of pilots fatherless in a few minutes or even seconds. Even the American and European powers hate SAM sites. The Israeli air force pilots nick-named the Egyptian SA-6 missile launchers “The three fingers of death”.

    The Pantsir-S1 is an urgent need for the Nigerian army today, or else the nation continues to live with a big gaping hole in it’s air defenses.

    3. Medium range air defense systems with supporting units of radar and command-control vehicles :

    This is getting to the high end, and there are many competing options, it requires patient and extensive study of options to make a final choice of equipment for the Nigerian army in this regard.

    China offers the KS-1 series in many versions including one with 70km range and 25km altitude.
    India offers the Akash with 35km range and 18km altitude.
    India also offers the Barak series with some having 70km range and 16km altitude.
    Most jets fighters today, fly below 20km altitude.

    The medium range air defense system in not an urgent need today 2014, Nigeria should just begin the project plan and slowly implement it when the current insurgency war is over for good.

    4. Long range air defense systems with supporting units of radar and command-control vehicles :

    The Russians and Chinese are the best options for Nigeria.

    However, the Chinese offer cheaper HQ-9 systems with missile range of a whopping 200km and high altitude of 30km.

    France will become Nigeria’s ‘Friend by force’ if the Nigerian army fields these class of heavy air defenses. Every African country will wisely avoid war with Nigeria.

    Impregnable long range air defense systems is a great deterrent that can prevent a war with more powerful nations who parade a more powerful air force than Nigeria.

    This plan will be for the nearest future, not today and maybe not even in the year 2015.

    5. Anti-aircraft artillery :

    Nigeria is believed to have the Chinese Type 90 anti-aircraft guns with short range capability, however the army should be seeking China’s help in obtaining C-RAM capability for them with tungsten anti-missile ammunition. These air defense guns are a copy of Swiss Oerlikon guns which South Africa has and is upgrading to C-RAM capabilities by 2017.

    These cheap Chinese Type 90 air defense guns can be acquired in large numbers and given the necessary computerization and target acquisition capabilities and the Nigerian army will have an air defense weapon that is hard to defend against since the shells are not guided munitions. The Type 90 will serve well against low and medium air threats from UAV-Drones, helicopters, and slow speed aircraft.However, the supersonic speed enemy aircraft will need to be challenged with supersonic speed missiles,

    6. Tactical Data-Links are for Nigeria to acquire in the future, but not too distant a future.

    7. Long range ground based electronic warfare jamming and anti-jamming equipment will also be a future project for Nigeria.

    In conclusion, Nigeria at age 50 years is ripe for local missile building technology, South Africa paid Israel to transfer the technology and now the Africans build some of the world’s best missiles and sell to Europe. India is also paying Israel for full missile technology. Nigeria should buy full missile building technology from India or China.

    MANPADS and Short range air to air missiles should be built locally and not imported in the long run. We can import half of our needs now and get the technology transfer to build the other half locally.

    We can import medium and long range missiles.

    However, the short range FN-16 and Pantsir-S1 are very vital to Nigerian army’s control of the airspace today, and the need to fill this huge air defense gaps should not be delayed.

    $50 million dollar urgent procurement of FN-16 and $150 mllion quick procurement of Pantsir-S1 is some average level of deterrent against a potential enemy while Nigeria waits to build a modern and comprehensive fully integrated air defense system that will keep this oil rich nation safe from those who hate us for no good reason except wicked envy of our God-given human and mineral wealth !

    • jimmy says:

      This is one of the most comprehensive arguments as to why we need a comprehensive analytical look as to why we need an air missile system.We have all our strategic assets wide out in the open with no visible protection. Trust me with obsolete Roland systems this really scares me.

      • drag_on says:

        Those Rolands are dinosaurs, 6KM altitude and Mach 1.6.
        Most fighter planes today can outrun and out-climb the Roland.
        The Mig 29 can do Mach 2.3 at 12KM.

    • gbash10 says:

      Oga Austin, you are a real NA Arty Air Defence man,well done bros, much respect for you.
      Oga Peccavi,the answers to your questions are very brief:
      1. We want to defend the people of Nigeria and our sovereignty;
      2.We want to defend ourselves from haters of Nigeria and her people; and
      3.God’s willing, we intend to destroy the attacking enemy/enemies outrightly, if it would attack us first or violate our territorial sovereignty .
      There would be no mercy!

    • gbash10 says:

      From the list of advanced air defence weapons listed, i.e S-300,Akash,FD-200/HQ-9 SAM systems and the Pantsir S1 SPAAGM point defence weapon,I will recommend that the FG of Nigeria acquire the Chinese-built FD-2000/FT-2000/HQ-9 SAM system.
      This is because:
      1. its an improved version and a generation ahead of the original Russian-built S-300,as it’s missiles are said to have an effective range of around 80% of the range of the first S-300 variant, and is better than earlier US MIM-104 Patriot variant; has three (3) acquisition radars which are the Type 120,Type 305A,and Type 305B, they are all self-propelled and high mobility designs carried on license built Mercedes-Benz NG 80 North Benz heavy trucks,reliable with a low operating cost;
      3.the radars built to automatically stabilize on hydraulically deployed legs,and automatically unfold and elevate their antennas using hydraulic rams like the latest Russian design,it is believe to have a stow time of 5 minutes.The design is to enhance contemporary high intensity conflict, hide,shoot and scoot-mobility.

    • Yagazie says:

      Oga Augustine- a well written, thoroughly researched and comprehensive article on the need for Nigeria having a potent Air Defence System. This article should serve as a working document/template on ADMSs for our defence planners. WELL DONE.

  34. chynedoo says:

    Marketing video Russian Air Defense Systems S-400, Buk M2 and Tor M2 shooting at US Airforce

  35. peccavi says:

    I seriously beg to differ.
    We do not need all of these high tech toys, counter rocket batteries, graphite bombs.
    Let us again start from this premise

    1.First question is what are we defending?
    2.Who are we defending against
    3.Do we intend to destroy the enemy outright or attrite

    Nigeria currently has no air to air or air to ground threats.
    The important thing is to define an air strategy and gradually bring up to it.
    Top of our list needs to be radar. If we cannot see the enemy we cannot hit it,
    Then build our tactical short range defences
    Then medium
    Then long range

    We need to stop getting obsessed wit every fancy bit of kit on the market and comparing apples and oranges.
    Sudan currently has multiple internal conflicts and is a major supplier t Hamas and Hezbollah of Iranian weapons. Ethiopia has key infrastructure to defend from Egypt.
    Who are we fighting or in conflict with that has any kind of capability we should worry about?
    Define the problem first before rushing to sellotape every fancy solution to it

    • Augustine says:

      Oga Peccavi, I greet you sir.

      Nigeria’s urgent need today 2014 is a replacement for our ancient air defense systems with nearly or already expired missiles. The SA-7, Blowpipe, Roland, and Shilka.

      Those equipment are not going to save us from 4th Generation jet fighters and incoming enemy guided missiles.

      We should not degrade Nigerian army down to the level of an anti-local insurgency force equipped to fight terrorists only, same way we have carelessly degraded Nigerian navy into an anti-piracy force today and a single enemy guided missile frigate sitting 30km away from Nigerian coast will sink the whole navy in one day.

      Nigeria has fought conventional wars albeit brief, against Chad and Cameroon. Today, Chad has a more modern air defense MANPAD missile hardware than Nigeria does.

      Algeria, Chad, Egypt, Sudan, and Angola all have jet fighter bombers with enough range to attack Nigeria and quickly pull out in a few minutes before we scramble our Makurdi NAF TAC based interceptor aircraft.

      Once the enemy takes the initiative of surprise air attack, and does degrading damage to your own air, land, or sea forces, you have almost lost the war even before the big engagement started at all. Buying new air defense hardware at that time will be too late, medicine after death. Air defenses are built in peace time, you can expand in wartime, but you need to have something effective on ground to keep you alive first.

      Dead men don’t make purchase order for new air defense systems that they failed to buy when they were alive.

      Nigeria CANNOT sit down with old and dead air defense systems, when South Africa that has almost zero air threats and is never troubled by any western or African power, is now acquiring C-RAM and GBADS integrated air defense systems in phases to be completed by year 2017.

      Nigeria should buy what is urgently needed now, missiles have shelf lives of an average 20 years, Nigerian air defense missiles are all about 30 years old. Don’t wait until you fire them and they fail to work when enemy jets are approaching to launch deadly air attack. Should we wait until 5,000 Nigerian soldiers get killed from the air or 200 Nigerian army armoured vehicles get destroyed from the air? Or our famous artillery corp loses 100 howitzer guns to enemy air attack?

      May I remind us all that Nigeria’s old Shilka ZSU-23-4 air defense guns deployed deliberately to defend an army barrack or base this year 2014 failed to fire with a classic technical malfunction likely due to old age when Boko Haram fighters were storming our army base, our soldiers abandoned the Shilka and ran for safety, depending on their AK-47 rifles for survival.

      What if that Shilka AAA was deployed to protect Aso Rock Villa or National House Of Assembly building in Abuja and it failed by malfunctioning when the heavily armed enemy was knocking at the gates?

      If a country with oil, gas, and bitumen reserves valued at about $10 Trillion cannot spend $200 million in year 2015 to get 100 units of small hand held FN-16 MANPADS and 12 units of Pantsir S1 short range air defence systems, then I pity Nigeria.

      Even local rebels in Angola (Past), Libya, Ukraine, and Syria today, are using MANPADS as mere insurgents, then Nigeria should go and rethink, maybe we want to have a real national army or an anti-Boko Haram army only.

      Thank you.

      • CHYDE says:

        Thank you Oga Augustine, I for call you field Marshal but that one na for Beeg, i don’t know why Peccavi will ask some of his questions ( with all due respect sir). For me we don’t need the fire brigade approach, make hay while the sun shines we shouldn’t wait until there is a threat before we react and please they are not ‘high tech toys’, if they are toys, why did Israel and the US object to Russia selling S300’s to Syria? Why did the US block sales of the same to Iran?

  36. Augustine says:

    New Magic Weapon For Nigerian Army :

    PANTSIR-S1 Mobile Air defense Systems
    Jack Of All Trades, Master Of All.

    The Nigerian army high command is aware of it’s current obsolete air defense systems, it is no secret, the army officially began discussing with India last year 2012, the news story was published and circulated all over the world. It is NOT a secret that Nigeria has a big deficiency in it’s old and unreliable air defense systems, our army top brass has made the open confession to the world.

    This is the new millennium, and the air threats of the 21st century are awesome. Air defenses must be awesome to counter these deadly airborne threats.

    An urgent and comprehensive One-Stop Shop solution, capable, reliable, unbeatable for the Nigerian army is the Russian made Pantsir-S1 road mobile self-propelled anti-aircraft and anti-missile air defence systems combining radar, missiles and guns on one single platform deployable anywhere there is land, on road or off-road all kinds of terrain.

    Nigeria can deploy the Pantsir anywhere anytime on our vast land territory, we can drive the vehicle around to areas of perceived air threat, and even transport it overseas to protect the Nigerian army on foreign mission, or to protect an ally abroad, whose economic sites relevant to Nigerian interests are under threat, thus giving awesome easy to deploy force projection.

    This is Nigeria’s best choice to replace the aged-obsolete Roland surface to air missile systems and the ‘living-dead’ cold-war era relic Shilka ZSU-23-4 self propelled anti-aircraft artillery gun systems, while at the same time offering Nigeria C-RAM air defence capability against enemy incoming missiles, bombs and rockets before they can hit us as a target.

    When you are hit by enemy bombs or missiles, it is too late to surrender. Dead men don’t raise white flags.

    Pantsir uses both it’s modern phased-array radars and electro-optical targeting system options to engage the enemy.

    Pantsir-S1 radars will detect enemy air threat about 30km away, track the enemy movement 24km away, and hit to destroy the enemy air threat with it’s 12km range missiles or it’s 4km range guns with a successful kill probability as high as 95%. Pantsir can engage 12 targets in one minute, that is a whole squadron of enemy aircraft. The Pantsir is said to be ahead of it’s era and believed to be a year 2025 weapon now available in year 2014….ahead of it’s time indeed !

    The world is going hungry and crazy for this new enemy air attack super-stopper, jet killer, helicopter killer, drone killer, missile killer, bomb killer, rocket killer.

    Algeria is buying about 38 units, Iraq is buying close to 50 units, Syria 50 units and tiny nation of not so rich Jordan is planning to buy 75 units of the Pantsir as reported.

    At about $ 15 million per unit, an investment of $ 180 million will give Nigerian army 12 units of the Pantsir-S1 mixing both wheeled and tracked version vehicles in equal numbers.

    The current year 2014 audit of the Nigerian army arsenal is an opportunity to present to the Federal Government of Nigeria under the able leadership team at the top level in Abuja today, the gaping hole in our current air defense capability.

    We need a cheap but effective long term solution for the short range class of air defense systems.
    Nigerian army MUST buy the Pantsir-S1 from Russia….next year end 2015. It’s presence will keep a lot of enemies away….military deterrent can prevent a war.


  37. peccavi says:

    Ggas I troway salute,
    I’m not calling for a fire brigade approach, but a sensible graduated approach. This is not fantasy football, resources are not eendless, thus we must prioritised.

    Nigeria’s biggest threats are internal, all our existential threats are internal and are ground based thus Ground forces are the priority.
    Oga gbash10 with respect your answers are not answers they are prayers/ aspirations. If you gave me a choice, I would defend my village and my girlfriends house. Is that a national priority. Do you think the US or China or Russia defend every metre of territory, you prioritise and channel the enemy according to your priorities.
    So do we prioritise infrastructure over population? Industry ovr military. Navy over army?
    Who are we defending against dictates what systems we are looking at.
    If for example we are Ethiopia with Egypts wahala.
    We know they want to bob the damn so we defend it with aircraft and ground based air defence (GBAD), we know thus that the airbases will be targets for first strike so we cover them with radar and medium range GBAD. We know that their aircraft will be coming from Egypt so we put our long range radar facing them and a C3I centre where it can vector fighters onto them, now they will know we have radar there so maybe will try and flank it by flyg the long way round out to sea and over Eritrea, so we have radar over the air corridors there.
    At the target itself we have short range systems and medium range systems, overlapping and interlocking each other.
    That is air defence.(or defence in general)
    Now this means that in some cases maybe the local armoured brigade will only have its own organic AAA weapons, or power stations or population centres will be undefended. But then th cost of bombing the town might be the loss of 100 lives, the cost of bombing the dam will mean loss of electricity and flooding.

    I hope you get my point

  38. beegeagle says:

    Chief Agostinho, that was five-star stuff. Very well written.

    • Augustine says:

      Oga Beegeagle, I am under your command sir. Anything for Nigeria, tell us, we go try with our small hands to do am to the limits God helps us…..for the blog, for the fatherland.

  39. Oje says:

    I can see I hAve no ally here. OgA Beeg, if we somehow use % 50 of today’s capital for wept s to buy air defense missiles and allow our armoured calcite and air asset to deplete further the so called “threat” will only have to overwhelm our ground forces with Tanks, artillery and rockets, Boko Haram has nearly succeeded in doing that and only the timely reinforcement of more Helicopters and fire power halted their advances and are just beginning to push them back. None of you here are talking about buying more equipments for the army and airforce to prosecute this war. For 20 years out blunt air defense unit have had no reason to fire in anger, they won’t for now and can wait till we win this war and we cannot win this war with current depleted armouries. We’ve been fighting for 5 years without replacing our destroyed or stolen equipment. Augustine, there is mo need for you to ho all scientifc and analytical, its this simple. If we do not increasevour defense spending to cater for these systems while still providing the necessary munitions for our airforce and army we are putting our vety sovereignty on the line. You want us to bury our head in the sand and wish this problem away so we can join the “big boys” in buying missile defense systems with funds that should be used to support our airforce and army. Anyone who thinks we can modernise our military with $ 2 billion after 30 years of neglect is crazy. The focus of this blog is gradually shifting from helping our fighting men and women in the front line to buying white elephant equipment that cannot be brought to bear on Boko Haram.

    • WachanGuy says:

      Oga Oje the title of the thread gives away its aim of simply raising SUGGESTIONS for FUTURE implementation by our Armed Forces. Let’s not antagonize too much e jo

  40. Oje says:

    Forgive my typos, touch screen and auto correct sometimes don’t mix.

  41. beegeagle says:

    Lol…dis Oga Oje sef.

    Perhaps you are trying too hard to set the agenda and as such do not realise why this thread is running in the first place. Aside from Mighty Yagz, Chief Agostinho and Egbon Jimmy who have been pressing for this, a few interested persons acting on orders from above have been urging me to do this.

    Somewhere on this board, you alluded to the known fact that many critical decisions in our DEFSEC procurement process draw profound inspiration from some exceptionally well-grounded exchanges previously carried on here.

    The question was not whether or not to acquire SAM/ADM systems. We called for SUGGESTIONS on what to buy. Now you understand us better. Remember I said elsewhere that a service chief was on this board last Friday and that many branch chiefs across the services are daily visitors to this blog?

    For instance, do you REALLY imagine the following to be merely coincidental or do you realise the kind of big hitters required to swing such decisions?

    Since one takes his pursuits rather seriously, just try to be guided by the agenda and be sure that it is intended to work for the good of one and all. The quest for these systems does not indicate an inability to concurrently pursue rearmament as it concerns tanks, infantry support weapons, kit, APCs/MRAPs.

    Now gentlemen, let us keep it going. Sir Gbash Airborne, I await your precis.

    @Mighty Yagz….please sustain the clear-headed rigour. Well done, bro.

  42. chynedoo says:

    The fact Nigeria has no immediate threat from its neighbours minus the presence of American drones/Recon flights and French air assets doesn’t mean these threats from the air will not arise at some point. Considering the research and planning, budget limitations, lead times, logistics, political bickering, personnel and of course the overall supply chains of delivering separates or a complete customised air-defence architecture, the threat is bound to rise faster than we could be able to put in place these systems.
    The mentality of waiting for a threat to arise before we procure the necessary hardware is what makes most third world armies including Nigeria’s unable to comfortably deal with such situations.
    During the height of the cold war, the Americans although were in full arms race with the Soviets, yet there was of course the part of the American political establishment that took the ability of the Soviets for granted.
    When the U-2 happened in May 1960, the Americans despite their covert recon ops over the USSR had no idea the Russians had modified some of their fighter aircrafts to fly at higher altitudes. The Americans were over-confident the the U-2 flying at 70,000 feet, was practically out of the reach of most Soviet missiles even though by 1956 a Chinese deployed version had hit a target at over 65,000 feet.
    In essence, what I’m saying is, we have to have threat analysis at least 10-30 years before they become possible. The fact the British were able to foresee the importance of a simple radio frequency to tracking system at the time both the Americans and Hitler’s Germany ignored same eventually played a crucial part in the WW2 along with the cracking of the enigma code.
    On the issue of air defence system, Nigeria’s brass hats should visualise a West Africa of the next 10-30 years where countries in East and West Africa could be featuring 4th and 5th generation aircrafts.
    A situation where fighter aircrafts like the F-16 which was developed in 1976 could possibly put our minimal air defence infrastructure to shame in 2014 is not the way to be a regional power least the biggest (abi largest) economy in Africa. We have the money, we have the brains, we have the numbers. What’s more?

    • Oje says:

      True, but will you disregard the “present threat” because of a “” future threat”? Unless we have a $10 billion defence budget I don’t see how we can prepare for a hypothetical future threat. When this war is over we won’t need anyone to sound the alarm on the dangers of neglecting our military. Trust me this Boko Haram war has taught us a bitter lesson.

      • chynedoo says:

        The current Boko Haram threat does not preclude or prevent Nigeria from planning and pursuing other defence related projects. The current Boko Haram insurgency is a low-level threat compared to what has happened elsewhere for instance in Algeria (1991 onwards), post Gaddafi Libya, Mali, Iraq and Syria.
        The problem is, a country’s inability to adequately forecast future threats coupled with the absence of capabilities to initiate counter-measures to neutralise and contain such threats is analogous to its very inability to deal with past, present and future threats.
        So while we are bogged down by the current insurgency, our inability to evaluate future threats leaves us vulnerable to all manners of internal conflicts and external threats.
        During the height of the religious riots in Kano, Kaduna, and Jos surely our security services would seen the manner the crises were unravelling to notice the tempo, approach, weapons, violence and direction of these conflicts were evolving every time.
        Given the Nigerian history of civil conflict starting from the Midwest Crisis, Isaac Boro incident, Northern riots preceding 1966 coup, Biafra, and in the same other the religious riots, then came our confrontation with Cameroon over Bakassi. the Niger Delta militancy and now Boko Haram. If you look at the trail of crises, our political and security structures never foresaw anyone of them. Where we did, we had no prior containment plans, even after these crises, we learn nothing politically and in our defence and security planning.
        This mentality has go to change. We need to be prepared for situations like these because as a nation these threats will certainly exist.

      • jimmy says:

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      • Augustine says:

        Oga chynedoo, your campaign for proactive national security planning, which I believe includes the fact that Nigeria’s threat analysts should think outside the box of Cameroon-Chad, makes a lot of sense, the kind of sense we need. Common sense is not rocket science.

  43. Oje says:

    Oga Pecavvi have said it all, while we detest a fire brigade approach it must be understood that “funding” is chronically short our biggest concern should be our ground forces. Agreed I’ve derailed off track a bit but this was due to the unrealistic proposals by some here based on situations in Algeria, Egypt and South Africa whose political and social climate is vastly different from ours. Since we have Nigeria’s top military brass following this forum perhaps it’s time to shelve all “”suggestions”, proposal or long term defense procurement but rather channel % 99 of our discussions and thread strictly on the war. It’s official we are at WAR now. All hospitals and emergency care centers should be made ready and stocked now. The government should go into an emergency mode Akin to DEFENSE CONDITION of the U.S when war is imminent. There are 20,000 Civil Defence personnel in Nigeria, they should be sent to the civilian villages and infrastructures to guard and protect villages, towns while the army should be free to concentrate solely on the offensive rather than doing sentry guard work. An emergency fund of another $3 billion should be made available. Sanusi is no longer Banker General of the Federation, so deep hand in our foreign reserve should not be a problem, the only potential opposition to this (the Senate) are even the ones clamouring for an all out war. Boko Haram and their conspirators cannot keep waging war on 170 million people with impunity, we must mobilise fully for war. Senate Générale David Mark all but screamed yexterday for the President to “DECLARE” full war on Boko Haram.

  44. Oje says:

    Chynadu please remove that Russian marketing video, it has no relevance here. We do not buy arms based on marketing videos on YouTube. I can as well show you marketing videos on the Patriot or Iron Dome or Reaper. Fact : Russian defense product are not ALWAYS reliable. All conflicts worldwide that saw Russian weapons and American weapons have always resulted in the Russian Systems being owned by superior American systems. GULF WAR, ISRAEL, BOSNIA, YUGOSLAVIA etc. Russian Products can be cheaper but that does not mean it’s better, they can’t even build a Helicopter Carrier, France withheld the transfer of the ship on the UK radian conflict, American weapons might be expensive but that doesn’t ALWAYS mean it’s better as seen in the F-35 and F-22 which are inferior in tech when pitted against SU-35’s.

    • chynedoo says:

      Sorry my oga. I only posted it to galvanise the discussion on the thread based on the focual point as we seemed to be digressing/deviating.
      General Beeg, if it is not relevant, please take it down. But at least, that video shows us what might be out there, or the sort of systems we might be thinking of (at least from a bloody civilian’s point)
      Apologies my generals…

    • chynedoo says:

      On the issue of superiority of American weapons over Russian ones, we would have no way of knowing considering that America and Russia have only fought proxy wars rather than the two nations engaging each other directly.
      On the F-22 and the newer F-35. The F-35 is ten years behind schedule, beset by software problems, and the bickering over which variants the US Navy, airforce, and UK military should deploy. All this info is out there.
      Meanwhile Russia’s T-50 PAF FA is already out there, and some say it is as good as any 5th gen fighter aircraft in operation…
      While F-35 is single engine T-50 is twine engine and has similar stealth features as the F-35.
      But then, we have no way of truly knowing who makes the better weapon as it is more likely that the countries with better media marketing structure are more likely to have their weapons trumped over the rest

    • CHYDE says:

      @ Oje always keep in mind that what the Russians or any other country that exports arms give to their respective armed forces varies with what is available for export. Know this that the Americans resisted any attempt by Russia to sell SAM’s to Iran or Syria, aren’t they supposed to be unreliable?

    • Number one says:

      The Rebuilding/re-equiping of our military is going to be all encompassing,from fighter jets to tanks,ifvs,arty pieces to lpd’s and submarines .we are going to spend approx 5-8 to get all these in numbers together with transfer of tech.

  45. beegeagle says:

    🙂 That is why you always draw flak from outraged bloggers.

    WHO was pitted against who in those wars? Was it about superior jets or about superiority in tactical nous and training? Israel vs Jordan and US vs Iraq?

  46. gbash10 says:

    I have posted 2 comments, but I can’t see them and it took a lot of energy to put them together, Gen. Beeg,abi dem no want me to contribute again ?na lie o,I must contribute.

    • beegeagle says:

      Sir Gbash, abeg mek I check my queue. Your comments are ALWAYS welcome

    • Are James says:

      No be ordinary eye o. I think they have something like stuxnet trailing you.
      @gbash10 you need to change your internet service provider and buy a new laptop/tablet, if that does not work, I have a few native solutions.

      Meanwhile I have enjoyed almost everybody’s contribution to air defence options.

      • jimmy says:

        Oga gbash sometimes there is a glitch in the system whereby the system will shut you out,or the time to post has expired.It happened to me at least three times.if you are going over three paragraphs ,highlight copy and save in microsoft word then repaste those actions should help.Sorry you lost your data. I had been typing for two hours when mine went missing. T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network

    • Augustine says:

      Oga Gbash, if I write a long comment, I always copy and save it on MS Word immediately after writing, so that if I post and it hangs or disappears from the system, I do not have to rewrite it all over again. I simply copy back to paste it again, or inform Oga Beeg to help find it in his queue. If it is lost in transit, you have a saved copy to re-post when Oga Beeg tells you to make another attempt.

      I can remember Oga Jimmy had a vanished post that took about 3 hours to write, ah ! Naija matter dey make person sweat like waterfall o !

  47. Bharat says:

    I was reading many comments here and was getting ready to write a rough precis on Akash SAM.
    But, the below video takes care of it. ( I have been a bit busy for a while, my promise to Gen. Beegs on Indian COIN is still pending)

    The video is of a lecture session at Areo-India 2013. Please watch in high resolution to read the slides clearly.

    • Augustine says:

      Thanks Oga Bharat, do you remember that in 2012 Nigeria was asking India to help us boost out air defenses? Do you know how far that request was processed?

  48. beegeagle says:

    Thank you, Oga Chynedoo. Serious national defence planning should be predicated on pre-emptive and not reactionary measures.

    Think how long we have been calling for a meaningful infusion of COIN assets for the NA and NAF. That was when some people had the courage to go out there and buy an atrocious two units of attack helicopters for Nigeria. A NAF with a useful mix of eighteen day/night attack helos at the ready and even a mere twelve units of Mi-17s would have arrived where we are today a whole year ago. But no, some people were sitting comfy, casting and binding and rejecting the real possibility of warfare. Now that Thor’s hammer has fallen, we have gone into panic mode and overdrive, sitting out avoidable gestation periods which are inevitable before hardware systems get delivered.

    We must not allow things to descend to this low ebb EVER again.

    • Augustine says:

      Oga Beegeagle, this is true talk and reality Nigeria must face.

      Some countries don’t write you a letter of war intent. Sure Argentina did not write to notify Britain before invading Falkland Islands in 1982. You can get dragged into a war far away from home, outside your own myopic eye-view box of known ‘regional neighbourhood threats’.

      Nigeria’s posture as giant of Africa and biggest economy attracts envy mixed with hatred from our own fellow black nations and from white foreign powers.

      Any prophet here who can predict Nigeria’s next war with 100% accuracy? Some country you don’t expect will square up with you, the powerful countries I mean. Worse is when an alliance of nations is formed against you, well I don’t trust all these Francophone nations that surround us. What if France activates a defense pact clause overnight and lands Mirage 2000 jets in Yaounde or Ndjamena airport? Okay they say Tornado jets are heading for Ndjamena soon, so which prophet saw that vision last year 2013 ?

      Nigeria was suddenly in Sierra Leone against the rebels who overthrew president Tejan Kabbah, strong sources say Nigeria had a defense pact with Sierra Leone, the rebels got a shock of their lives when Nigerian army, navy, and air force landed in Freetown !

      Okay, so Nigeria knows how to use defense pact to shock others abi? Then we too should prepare to be shocked by others invoking a defense pact with a power equal to Nigeria.

      Nigeria’s security threat level is equal to the military capability level of all the defense pacts surrounding us added together. That is the principle they tell you in a world class Institute for strategic studies.

      Did any prophet know Morocco was going to war with NATO nation Spain in year 2002 ? They fought, Morocco lost, now they have bought latest F-16s and FREMM frigate.

      Who is threatening South Africa that they are buying GBADS integrated systems year 2014-2017, is it Namibia with F-7 jet or hungry Zimbabwe?

      Who is threatening Brazil to make them buy 18 units of Pantsir-S1, is it Uruguay or Paraguay ? Brazil has ZERO war engagement in the last 100 years !

      Yoruba proverb says the man that falls inside the pit is a lesson for others, don’t wait for your turn to fall inside the pit, avoid it, who knows if you will survive when you fall deep or maybe you get a life time paralysis on a wheel chair ?

      Nigeria is now learning bitter lessons, proof :

      I quote by extracts….

      “It was added that it would be inconceivable for the country to keep waiting for anything for such compliance issues to be sorted out with people being killed in the North-East.”

      “The security source explained that the Federal Government had to look elsewhere to get the equipment that were required for the ongoing counter terrorism operation in view of the continuing delay in the release of equipment by the Western countries.

      It was stated that the country was still waiting to take delivery of equipment that had been ordered for about three months ago because of ‘compliance issues.’

      It was added that it would be inconceivable for the country to keep waiting for anything for such compliance issues to be sorted out with people being killed in the North-East.

      The source explained that the order for helicopters indicated clearly that the equipment was not meant for the insurgents.

      “In the intelligent community, such things are not uncommon. I can tell you that the deal is a legitimate business. The concern is the process that caused the embarrassment. Government is trying to investigate what caused the embarrassment. Are you saying that all the countries involved in the crisis in Syria, do all their transactions through the bank?

      “The concern should be if the items are for terrorists. There are compliance issues which can delay equipment needed urgently for operation; several orders have been given for three months but up till now, we have not taken delivery of the items.

      “Some of the equipment are from Russia, others are still being expected. Nigeria cannot wait forever because people are being killed.

      “That transaction is legitimate in a critical period where speed is of essence, but this doesn’t say that the government would not investigate what caused the embarrassment such as the issue of non-declaration at the airport.

      “The business is very vital to what is happening in the North-East.”

      Now this is what you get when you wait for a war before you begin to equip and arm to meet up the kind of threat you face…like the fire brigade running short of water when the flames are burning at roof top level.

      Nigerian army 313, 323, 333 and 343 air defense artillery regiments were all specially created for a purpose, if they are not needed, why are they existing in Nigerian army’s order of battle ?

      Now 6,000 Nigerians have died from Boko Haram’s ground attack, we rush to South Africa for help with arms purchase carrying cash =N= 1.5 Billion in US Dollars because the burning cigarette has fallen from our fingers into our under-pants ! We now feel the pain.

      So do we wait till air attack kills another 6,000 Nigerians or wipes out a whole Nigerian army brigade on battlefield before we remember these four regiments 313, 323, 333, and 344 air defense forces of Nigerian army?

      Does human lives and national pride have value to us?

      Scale it down, only 8 units of Pantsir-S1 SAMs costing $120 million will cover the same battle-space of our current 16 units of Roland SAMs because the Pantsir-S1 has double the effective range of the Roland, and the Pantsir also does the job of a Shilka ZSU-23-4 plus the job of a C-RAM SkyShield all 3 roles inside 1 machine on one single mobile vehicle we can drive around Nigeria where-ever we need it anytime.

      1 unit of Pantsir-S1 = 1 unit of Roland + 1 unit of Shilka + 1 unit of SkySheild

      Haba, wetin now ? The girl tall, she yellow, she fine, she figure 8, she finished NYSC, and Nigerians still say make we no marry am ?

      Let Nigerian army get married to this Pantsir-S1 lady at the end of year 2015.

  49. Are James says:

    Is somebody summarizing everything being discussed here?. For now all I have are:

    1. ”Ground based Point Defence” is preferred to a national IADS for now. – we don’t have Iran type reactor issue but a few strategic sites exist where the most advanced SAM systems should be deployed.
    2. New Point defence solutions to be joined up in a gradual manner both as replacement for current systems and as part of a national IADS that will be layered and include interceptors and other assets.
    3. Dedicated Air defence Corps established as standalone force. Staffed and trained appropriately
    4. Ground based air defence systems acquisitions should be sensitive to geo political realities. All suggestions tending towards Russian, Chinese, Pakistani and Indian systems.
    5. Concerns about cost benefit of ground based air defence systems when an expensive COIN war is currently ongoing demanding $$$s for tanks, guns and aircraft

  50. demola says:

    A little bit of course here but since we’r talking about airspace integrity, who has seen the video of mysterious aircraft hovering hovering over synagogue at the time of its collapse.

  51. Jon says:

    Esteemed Gentlemen:

    I just wanted to repeat a question asked earlier about the 2012 request to India for assistance upgrading or modernizing air defenses — what ever became of the request?? What system was selected the Arash or Agni or some other Indian developed air defense system?

    Does the NN have any plans to acquire the Chinese Type 54 frigate (area air defense platform and ASW platform)? If NN gets (3 or so) of the type 54 frigates the offshore oil and gas assets are secured from air attack — which begs the point — Is the combat vessel the chinese announced they donated to the NN earlier this year around April or May a Type 54 frigate?? If so, NN only need acquire (1 or 2) more type 54 frigate’s to secure the coast and offshore economic assets..

  52. Jon says:

    Point of correction – I mean’t to say Type 054A Jiangkai-II area defence frigates everywhere i stated type 54 frigate above.

  53. Oje says:

    @ Augustine.

    ”Who is threatening South Africa that they are buying GBADS integrated systems year 2014-2017, is it Namibia with F-7 jet or hungry Zimbabwe?”
    Your comprehensive analysis is very interesting and professional but again i beg to differ. Military largesse like this is what have put the South African military in such a bad shape they can do no more than basic defensive operations. Spending hundreds of millions on defense systems that will never see the light of day is a prime example of the dangers of military largesse.

    The persistent disconnect between it comes to allocation of funds and long term maintenance cost is what have driven the South African military down the pit.When it comes to force projections South Africa lags well behind Nigeria. They bought 26 Grippen fighter jets from Sweden without making provisions for maintanance as a result they only clock 100 hours flying time over the whole year. without maintenance they aircraft are almost useless. Today they do not have funds for training much less maintenance.They have 2 Hercules C130 transport planes we have 6. They have grounded their utility helicopter fleet because they have no money… the list goes on.

    South Africa iis rich bot not rich enough and can ill afford to spend vast sums of precious resources on military hardware and operations. Now they announce they want to cut down the size of the military to 30,000 men, why? because its a fact that their neighbours have no real military capability, hence they surmise their military budget should be set at the minimum to avoid unnecessary waste.

    Now you keep saying Nigeria is rich hence we should buy these systems irrespective of the fact we are currently engaged in a fierce ground war and the defense budget is barely $5 billion. Do we need an air defence system? YES. Can we afford to divert funds from the units fighting day and night to buy advanced Surface to air missiles? NO. Whats the solution? upgrade our army and airforce to a level of proficiency should be our top priority.

    • Tope says:

      Sir Oje,

      I disagree with you, Nigeria can comfortably do both, why do you think Goodluck went to NASS to get 1 billion dollars for? Is it not on this blog we saw MI35M delivered , Russia and Nigeria signin deals for large delivery of more Attack and Armoured Helos, Bigfoot MRAP, MoU to make APCs with Poly technology and ProForce at Bauchi, upgrade of Mi24V, many mysterious sighting of advanced jets rumoured as Su27, Jf17, and then Apapa Tank sighting, we are seeing albeit slowly we are upgrading veryfast, so we should Replace our Roland as Priority, it has already been DECIDED thats what Beegeagle told you, issue is what to buy so Far its Pantir and the F2000 and maybe S300, get with the programme, your points have been noted, na still this blog go provide exclusives and photos. You may not like it but its happenin contribute like odas.Have a Great day

    • Bharat says:

      Let me make an attempt to point out a couple of points on air defense, that you surely will appreciate. The points are not necessarily a reply to your above post but, in generic about importance of air defense.

      There is a saying in AD circles that AD protects VA and VP while others are covered by deterrent. Where VA= Vulnerable Area and Vulnerable Points.

      The above statement means that your capacity to counter attack will deter your adversary to launch an areal attack on your soil. As it is impossible to cover all your air space by SAMs. But, VA and VP are those on which if attack success will be a greater damage to your country, the damage which will entice your opponent to try to take out those in case of hostilities and your capability to counter attack shall not be a credible deterrent in those scenarios. VA and VPs may be the seat of power in your capital. Logistic cross-sections, Dams, strategic oil/petroleum reserves ( remember the army moves on oil and not just on vehicles) etc.

      Your, assertion that currently no opponent of Nigeria has the ability to carry areal attack on Nigerian soil. But, you also have to admit once continuity in AAD training and skills and tactics ( and doctrine) is lost, it will boil down to a race between your opponent acquiring offensive platforms and you acquiring ( platform+ skills) of AD. Who wins the race will inflict/ restrain the blow on your VA and VP.

      Also, you were advocating marching into a neighboring country, will you let your troops march in without AD cover thus increasing the risk?

      So, if your AD is old, it is prudent to modernize it at a minimum cost, even if there is no immediate threat, as maintaining continuity (thus the skills, tactics and doctrine) is also important.

  54. gbash10 says:

    HQ-9/FD-2000/FT-2000 Technical Data
    *operational altitude (aircraft target): 25m-27km
    *operational range (cruise missile target): 7-15km
    *operational altitude (cruise missile target): >25m
    *operational range (ballistic missile target): 2-15km
    *operational range (supersonic missile target): 1-18km
    FT-2000 Anti-Radiation SAM characteristics
    – operational range: 12-100km
    operational altitude: 3-20km
    – missile weight: 1300kg
    – missile length: 6.8m
    – missile diameter: 0.446m
    – seeker band coverage: 2-18GHz

  55. gbash10 says:

    HQ-9/FD-2000 Batter Components.
    – system function/composition vehicle
    *self-propelled command post
    – site survey vehicle
    * EQ-2050 HMMWV
    – HT-233
    * self-propelled engagement radar
    * TAS-5380
    Type 305B/YLC-2V
    * self-propelled acquisition radar
    * ND1260

    self-propelled transporter
    erector launcher

    transporter/trans loader/crane four launcher tube s

    mobile diesel power generator 200kW

    mobile mains grid power converter
    HQ-9/FD-2000 battery components options.
    – Type 305A
    mobile acquisition radar
    – Type 120
    semi-mobile low altitude acquisition radar
    Cyber generals it might interest you to know that what we can not get from uncle Sam,Mr Lee is having it and is ready to sell.
    Check out the Type 730B AA gun which is a copy of the General Electric GAU-8 30mm x 173mm seven-barrel Avenger gun used on the A-10 War thug aircraft.
    It can fire at the rate of 4200 rounds-per-minute with the APDS round having a muzzle velocity of 1150 m/s and the high explosive cartridge of 920 m/s.
    There are two 500 round cylindrical magazines on either side of the gun.
    The system can intercept targets flying at a velocity of Mach 2 or below.
    A target can be optically tracked using a charge coupled device at 5km.
    The gun has a maximum effective range of 2.5km,its intercept engagement range of below 3000(3km).
    The response time of 9.8 seconds is give the system ample time to simultaneously track and prioritise 48 targets.
    So, what do think people ?

    • jimmy says:

      The NA and the NAF need to send a delegation to china, to start the process of a) how to build a joint operations unit.b) what will be the cost over a 4 year period to procure, transport,train our personnel and implement to command and control structures .one system will be static, one will be dynamic I.e communication can move from pt a to pt b which lessens to a large degree of detection. T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network

  56. Oje says:

    Bharat you are my new favourite blogger here. I couldn’t have said it better. Patriotism should be balanced with realism not just ”we can do it ” yappings. I wish India could rise to its full potential. India with its billion plus smart people and high tech will be a good balance to China and Russia

  57. Oje says:

    hmmm i think i must have misunderstood your last statements. I do necessarily agree with that.

  58. Bharat says:

    Those who are advocating Panstir S1 or the Tanguska, should take a look at another latest from Russian stable.

  59. Yagazie says:

    Gentlement- food for thought…The Isrealis recently shot down a Syrian Mig-21 that ‘ventured into’ it’s airspace in the Golan Heights (not Isreal propert bt territory captured from Syria in the 1967 ‘six day war’). The plane was shot down by a Patriot surface to air missile. Well this emphasizes yet again the importance of having a robust and functional Air Defence Systems Network.

    • peccavi says:

      Israel has a clear and present air threat.

      • CHYDE says:

        That still doesn’t stop Nigeria from preparing for the future. I remember a discussion I had with a friend long time ago, I said the average Nigerian cant’t be a suicide bomber since he has a lot on his plate. Today haven’t we seen suicide bombers? I saw a quote somewhere online were it was stated that the distance between African Nations is now shorter, thanks to 4th Gen jets. My brother you friend today can be your enemy tomorrow, just as we are seeing in the present day Africa. An Air Defence Systems Network is a MUST.

      • peccavi says:

        No it doesn’t.
        But thee first thing is a strategy and then a plan, not to start comparing Buks and Patriots, when we have not defined what are our long range, medium range or short range requirements, what and how we are detecting aircraft, controlling or coordinating the systems.
        The weapon systems can’t just be bought an plonked down without all of these considerations

      • CHYDE says:

        Your comment makes a lot of sense

  60. Yagazie says:

    Oga Peccavi – I agree with your comments. My reference to the Syria Mig shoot down incident by the Isrealis was simply for the purpose of emphasizing the importance of Nigeria having an effective and credible Air Defence Systems network, be it short/medium or long range and whatever the controlling/co-ordinating system involved. It must be in existence and it must present an effective and credible deterrent.

  61. beegeagle says:

    Submitted on 2014/10/04 at 2:44 am

    The general argument if I understood correctly between Oga Peccavi and co has been on prioritization with Yoga Peccavi relying on the old trusted merchants thinking : ” Do I need this? Do I need this now?”

    My 2kobo is that Nigeria may be
    fighting a counterinsurgency now but our plans should not be restricted to
    planning only towards that. We have known enemies and unknown enemies yet to reveal themselves.For
    example will it be too farfetched to imagine if oil in substantial amounts is struck in our portion of the Chad Basin and Idris Derby decides to make a grab for Borno State? What is to stop him?

    Or say Cameroon makes a grab for
    Adamawa or Cross River and France decides to send some Mysteres,Mirages and Rafales to back Biya up?

    We could plan and begin to implement gradually a long term Air Defence Expansion strategy involving integrated layers of radars,interceptor fighters, point air defense systems, medium and long range air defence systems, Manpads etc.

    We could start working gradually
    towards building an Integrated Air Defence Network to protect our
    strategic airspace from both regional, continental and global threats. At the same time we could begin a phased expansion and modernization of our Army.

    T-90s and T-72s in the thousands will do us a world of good, more Mi-35s
    and some AH-64s (to keep the Yanks happy) would go a long way in
    discouraging both adventurous neighbours and recalcitrant citizens from their misguided ways.

    More tube and rocket artillery, more ARVs, APCs,AFVs and IFVs will increasingly create a heavy armoured and mobile force.

    More investment in electronic and
    battlefield cyberwarfare will give us an edge most armies in Africa lack.We can do this gradually. Develop a
    comprehensive plan and consistently. Air Defence should be the
    responsibility of an Air Defence Force, an autonomous service branch on par with the Army, Navy etc.

    The Army however should maintain its own battlefield area air defence
    systems.While we are it, we could expand our Navy from a brownwater
    coastal anti-piracy force into a green
    and then bluewater navy.

    Again develop a long term plan and work with it. More GM destroyers and
    frigates, submarines (Iranian and North Korean help in developing
    submarine capabilities would go well), maybe even plan towards getting a Mistral or two.

    Coastal operations should pass to a
    proper Nigerian Coast Guard founded on the lines of the US Coast Guard..

    Like I said my 2 kobo.

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