NIGERIAN NAVY BELIEVED TO BE IN THE HUNT FOR FOUR SMALL MISSILE CRAFT

BEEGEAGLE’S BLOG
15 May, 2015

Feelers from the inner sanctum of Nigeria’s defence and securrity architecture indicate a confirmed order for four small missile craft for the Nigerian Navy.

According to the source, “Nigeria have placed a confirmed order for two units of 24 metre patrol boats armed with surface to surface missile & short
range surface to air missile launchers. Additionally, an order has been placed for two units of 35 metre patrol boats armed with surface to surface missiles & short range surface to air launchers.

The four missile boats shall additionally be armed with 30mm cannons & 12.7mm heavy machine guns”

BACKGROUNDER

BEEGEAGLE’S BLOG again conforms its class as being in sync with mainstream thinking ALL THE TIME. This blog has been calling for the introduction of small missile boats since 2014

Elsewhere, BEEGEAGLE WROTE

2015

https://beegeagle.wordpress.com/2015/02/20/nigerian-navy-fleet-expansion-four-warships-commission-in-one-loop/

February 20, 2015 at 5:40 pm

QUOTE

A 46 metre platform? Of course, she can mount AShMs ! As I write this, there are 25-27 metre missile craft of Chinese origin serving in the Egyptian and Bangladeshi navies.

IF we seek to replace the 58m missile craft of yesteryears, this is the Modified Type 062 gunboat which appears to have been delivered only to Nigeria and Seychelles since the design came into public view in 2014, appears to be the natural successor.

Assuming that these can hold up well in Sea State 4-5, we can actually move for six units in the first instance – arm three units with three-cell 324mm torpedoes and another three with two-cell C802A AShMs. We can thereafter deploy a missile craft and a torpedo boat EACH to every one of our three fleet commands.

These are midshore patrol-capable and should be able to venture out as far as 120 nautical miles from our shores and with missiles able to hit targets 280km away, we can actually achieve AShM coverage for well over 450km from our shoreline.

We can get a C802A AShM for US$800k or thereabouts. We have got to be doing something.

What to do wuth our 58 metre Lurssen+Combattante III missile craft? We have six in all – three of each type. Take ONE unit of each type and use as spare hulks to keep two of each type afloat. So we will have four of those 58 metre ships afloat.

Knock off the 76mm main guns from all six ships, remove the 40mm guns from three ships and delete their missile launchers and put all the extracted missiles and gunnery into storage.

From those four ships, convert one to a replenishment vessel which can resupply OPVs out at sea. For the rest three ships, use their 40mm/70 Breda as main guns and supplement with two 12.7mm HMGs and use them as Midshore Patrol Vessels.

For PATROL MISSIONS, here is what the Canadian Coast Guard are doing with similar-sized Midshore Patrol Vessels

http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/vessel-procurement/mid-shore-patrol-vessel

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2014

QUOTE

I am dead serious about it. We spent way too much on the Lurssen and Combattante III missile craft. At 350-400 tons, even at 58 metres, they are still coastal combatants which will not do for us, what a 1500+ ton vessel will do in the deep offshore.

In my view, our missile craft should be as cheap and numerous as possible. Ditto torpedo boats. Any 32-38 metre craft should be okay for the purpose.

If I had my way and could firm up a contract for twelve 38 metre craft hulls at about US$84 million, I would install four-cell C803 AShMs on six units for US$18m and install six-cell 324mm torpedoes on the rest six units. All platforms will carry a 30mm CIWS.

That way, each operational fleet command gets two 38metre missile craft and two 38m torpedo boats as well.

The 58m craft which do not have the tonnage (necessary for good seakeeping) to venture much further than the proposed 38m craft, probably cost 4-5 times as much as the 38 metre craft which I am proposing.

END

QUOTE

Again, I am looking at the Modified Type 062 design and its size and layout makes it soooo good for use as a small missile craft. I am sure we know that countries such as Egypt and Bangladesh own missile craft some of which are 25 metre platforms i.e the size of a Shaldag Mk.II FPC. Never mind this beautiful and roomy 39 metre JACO-type design.

If we can construct this modified Type 062 design for N1 billion and add a four-cell C803 anti-ship missile launcher for US$3 million on that spacious aft deck, we could have firmed up a template for the production of 39 metre missile craft at a cost of about US$10 million. And that is very good, given the fact that a smaller, cannon-armed OCEA 32 metre patrol craft costs about as much.

Such a new flotilla of 39 metre missile craft would replace the six 58 metre Combattante III and Lurssen FPB missile craft as the backbone of missile attack platforms at less than a quarter of the cost of the imported platforms.

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https://beegeagle.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/suggested-patrol-craft-designs-for-nigerian-naval-shipbuilders/

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  1. beegeagle says:

    QUOTE

    June 5, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    My Oga Deewon of the Admiralty! I salute you bountifully. Thanks for the update. Here is my take.

    I.

    If the projected cost of the upgradation and refurbishment of the NNS Aradu indeed exceeds US$100m, we might as well convert her to an OPV in-country, just as the Chinese have converted some of the earlier Type 53H1 frigates into OPVs and transferred them from the PLAN to the CCG. We can actually convert the Aradu to an OPV in-country at the NN Shipyard. The said US$100+m can be used to build an enlarged Type 056 corvette and while that is going on, we can get Nigerdock+West Atlantic Shipyard to build us six completed 32 metre hulls for a total of US$30 million.

    These six 32 metre hulls will then be armed as follows to serve as multirole escort, patrol and strike assets.

    – two units could be armed with 20mm cannons and 12.7mm HMGs

    – two units to be armed with C704 AShM quad launchers

    – two units to be armed with Israeli-made quad-cell 533 mm torpedo launchers

    Each of the three fleet commands would get two ships…the torp and missile armed ones go to ENC and WNC while CNC get the gun-armed craft.

    OR

    b. Use the money intended for the upgrade of the NNS Aradu to acquire an enlarged Type 056 corvette and a decommissioned F122 frigate from Germany. One of these was decommissioned only last year and if we need her services, she should be snapped up now while her offensive systems are functional.

    OR

    c. Acquire an enlarged Type 056 corvette (modified to incorporate a hangar like our P18N stealth OPVs) and build two Damen 8313 OPVs armed with a 57mm gun and 20mm cannons for the US$100+million which could have been spent on upgrading the NNS Aradu

    II.

    The baggage-free fighting ship which is more modern and a natural progression from the Aradu, not to forget the fact of being priced well within our known spending proclivities, is the Type 054 frigate. That is a menacingly armed 4,000 ton FIGHTING ship.

    Let the FG negotiate a US$450m counterpart funding facility from China EXIM Bank with which to acquire fighting ships which make a dent anywhere, anyday. The FG can actually make a down payment of US$150m and get China EXIM Bank to extend preferential buyers’ credit to the tune of US$300m. With these funds, we should reach for the following

    – a Type 054 frigate
    – two enlarged Type 056 corvettes
    – three Harbin Z-9EC ASW helicopters

    b. the FG should also negotiate the sale of the following ex-PLAN/CCG assets as follows, including refurbishment and upgradation costs, for a total of US$45m

    – three ex-CCG 41 metre Type 218 Midshore Patrol Vessels armed with 25mm cannons and 14.5mm HMGs for midrange EEZ patrols at a cost of US$20 million.

    – three 39 metre ex-PLAN Type 062 Shanghai II patrol craft armed with C704 AShMs at a cost of US$25 million.

    These mid-sized assets shall give a great boost to our multi-pronged anti-piracy patrol efforts and provide us with ancillary missile defence capability at sea.

    Each fleet command shall be availed with the service of a midshore patrol vessel and a missile craft acquired in this way.

    Emphasis on the procurement of these used assets should be the ability to sustain continuing service at sea for 12 years, by which time the puny outlay expended on their acquisition and the multi-tasking leverage availed the NN over the corresponding period, would have more than justified itself. It translates to less than US$4 million annually for the service of six 39-41m patrol and fighting platforms…money VERY WELL SPENT

    Negotiated into these two sets of deals for new and used ships in lieu of sweetener would be a brand-new 45 metre midshore patrol vessel..a FREE ship given by the Chinese to ‘smoothen’ the deal, that is.

    END

    https://beegeagle.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/nigerian-navy-chinese-pla-navy-conduct-joint-sea-training-exercise-in-lagos/

    • Capt Tobias Wilcock says:

      Oga Beegeagle, God bless you and put more of his blessing on all your life goals, when would this guys start listening to the collection of patriots and intellects on this think tank blog

    • buchi says:

      to say am not heavily relived at hearing this Intel would.be an understatement I am optimistic that our deterrent level has been increase to a considerable.level thank you very much oga beegz tuwale for u
      but still any Intel.on NNS aradu

  2. beegeagle says:

    CANT FAULT THIS MOVE IN ANYWAY

    April 2, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    And note that the said 24-39 metre craft are not only speedy but also can be configured as either missile craft or torpedo boats. I am aware that countries such as Egypt and Bangladesh operate cheaply armed and run 27 metre missile craft

    Nothing stops us from constructing more Andoni-class ships and getting the Chinese to have them armed with C704 AShMs. We could also get OCEA to build us some more 32 metre FPB 98 Mk.IIs and have them armed with Israeli-made torpedoes.

    https://beegeagle.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/agric-minister-warns-illegal-fishing-trawlers-to-stay-off-nigerian-waters-inspects-vessels-seized-by-the-nigerian-navy-in-lagos/

  3. beegeagle says:

    The NN are on their way back to restoring a consequential offensive capability. The first tentative steps have been taken…

    Next P18N corvettes and a Type 054 area defence frigate

  4. doziex says:

    Chief no forget to add 3 or more song class submarines from china.

    It is a highly upgraded chinese version of the old romeo and foxtrot soviet boats.

    I am sure Nigeria’s miserly politicians can afford to buy these, without diverting too much money away from their pockets.

  5. Oje says:

    Abeg can anyone explain to us how it is that a decapitated force (with Shekau reportedly fleeing) barely a week ago is able to launch a massive attack of this nature again. This external powers are hell bent on making Nigeria weak by keeping her mired in a useless war of attrition and asymmetry.

    • Sir Kay says:

      Oga, not to argue, but you are going to blame outsiders for this? I’m sorry, we are too slow to adapt, no one else is to blame but ourselves.
      If you can’t get the tools you need, you look inward and start getting massively creative asap, instead we whine over and over about those that failed to sell us weapons.
      Well, it’s their products, their weapons, where is ours?
      Lack of vision is what’s killing Nigeria, not foreigners.

    • Are James says:

      LOL. You see now.
      you are making everybody angry with your external powers comments. That is just throwing the problem into the pegion hole of “cant be solved “. I dont believe that is our problem . Iran has more external powers problem than we can dream of yet they are securing their country. This is actually pointing to a lack of adequate number of aircraft to monitor the ground and respond promptly . Also BH was actually driven to tske that town so a few people were not doing tactical scenarios at our end but it is a no brainer not to expect people being driven out of Sambisa not to look for weakly defended towns to hibernate and regroup. The next set of mistakes now comea when you leave the town with them for weeks giving them time to set booby traps and indoctrinate another set of female suicide bombers .

      • Capt Tobias Wilcock says:

        The Story posted just above the re-capture of Marte that is making rounds.

        http://www.eater.com/2015/5/15/8613497/nigerian-restaurant-shut-down-for-serving-human-flesh.
        Can you image the propaganda, they first show us as incompetent, then de-humanize to fit their narrative, when physical anti Nigerian actions are taken. (lose all public support, by penting up negative emotions towards the name Nigeria, this story was published a while ago and debunked as a “hoaxs”. The problem is how do you explain the amount of BH cardres that got away as shown in the Sambisa Video, ( should we be watching through a video sight or a gunsight) , They were not engaged and they were said to have been spooked by NAF aerial activities, ( we are told it was a special tactic to separate the hostages from the terrorists), So what was done to the retreating BH guys. they were left to retreat ,regroup and regain the initiative. There was no excuse for these guys not getting engaged or their vehicles shown in the video hit. We are almost back to the beginning of the cycle. BH understands attrition. This wound is being left to fester too long, It was an another opportunity to seriously degrade BH has come, Now they are fighting in a convectional way to hold territory “Marte”, they area should be cut off and all escape routes marked and prepared as a kill zone. The CJTF are not being seriously exploited for recce and Intel resources, even the trainers told us of the importance of trackers, What happened to all Eeben taught about relentless pursuit.

  6. beegeagle says:

    Almost certain that these missile boats would be built either in France and/or South Africa and ARMED either in China & South Africa or Israel

    • Ola says:

      To be honest, I wonder why the NN dockyard cannot partner with Germany, Singapore or Netherlands to build missile boats at home. In my opinion, the dockyard that produced the P100 NNS Andoni can build missile boats. At least build the frame and let the technical components be sourced from whom ever NN is partnering with to do the construction. Anything in the categories of fast attack crafts, forward defence boats, small missile boats should be built at home if NN wants to grow and develope the technical skills required to be independent some day!

      • ozed says:

        well said sir!!!

      • Capt Tobias Wilcock says:

        Right on the mark, that is what wise top decision makers would do, in an atmosphere of reduced earning on oil, create jobs and sustainance for local support industry and suppliers, National pride, What prevents NN from making stealth designs and gong a step forward.

  7. chynedoo says:

    The NN appears to have a relatively coherent plan and approach to upgrading its capabilities. Hopefully it’ll go further than being a coast guard force to something that is able to project power at least within the gulf of Guinea axis. A lot of external powers have very forceful interests in this region. And again, while for decades Nigeria was regarded as the prima donna and numero uno country in Africa at least on paper until finally the figures confirmed that it is the most economically powerful country on the continent. So what every other interest within and outside the continent thought might be real was consequently confirmed. So for many of us who complain of being hounded by other countries, it is something we ought to have expected. Every country making some kind of national progress has also got to deal with the costs, threats, and challenges of rising up to the big boys.
    I guess this is the point we tend to miss. Force projection is not for the fun of it, it is part of protecting national interests. Since the last 16 years, our economy has been growing steadily at between 6.5-7 per cent. When you look at the saturated economies in most advanced countries, and even mid-advanced countries, economic growths except for China and a few BRICs, rarely go beyond 1 per cent for developed countries, and for mid-developing one between 1 to 5 per cent. My point is, we ought to expect both friendly and even more unfriendly interests from different countries, including individuals and large corporations who may not wish us well. So our military planners should drum this strategic thinking into the heads of our politicians whose insatiate taste for their own private comforts should not be allowed to override the collective security of our national interest. Economic growth whether real or on paper should cause us to up our national defence and the overall approach to defence issues.
    The NA, air force, DSS, DMI, and the police should all take a cue from the NN template. We need to see a competitive attitude to innovative thinking from all the services within our security superstructure.

    • Capt Tobias Wilcock says:

      Gentlemen, can they not be built in Nigeria, at least to a certain degree ( Ship frames, etc), We can see a live example from two countries , pre Gulf war Iraq bought and bought, sanctioned Iran built and built. we can see whose military seem stronger.

      • chynedoo says:

        We need to meet more of our needs in-country. What happened to Niger-Dock? It used to be talked up as one of the biggest dry docks in the world (abi Africa) in its heydays. Is NigerDock still operational?

    • Are James says:

      Most of these actions have been suggested on this blog as far back as a few years ago by the bog owner. I believe the NN has a good plan but political leadership takes validation from a large number of stakeholders including bloggers.What they are going to do with Aradu remains to be seen.

  8. beegeagle says:

    Maybe the NN should just contract West Atlantic Shipyard in PHC to build two 32 metre patrol craft. Turn those to SSM & SAM-equipped missile craft while turning these 24m platforms into torpedo boats.

    Then let the NN start with an order for a Type 18N corvette in 2015 plus snapping up a pre-owned Type 122A frigate from Germany. Both would not cost US$150m. That way,we regain coastal and oceanic missile firing capabilities in 18 months.
    A 1,800 ton corvette and a 3,600 ton frigate would go a long way towards transforming the NN into a war fighting force. We have no point to prove as it pertains to pirates.

    We cannot continue in this state of limbo all in the name of waiting for the Aradu to be put back to sea.

    Gladdened by the acquisition of these missile boats as it is. What it brings to the NN by way of potency is enormous. From 100 kms out to sea, a 35m missile craft can launch a C802 missile 200km to the ends of our EEZ. So we are building deterrence capabilities again

    • Ola says:

      Sir Beegs, I didn’t know you already wrote this here, I gave a similar response to your earlier post on the location of construction of the boats. Yes, the best thing would be for the boats to be built domestically. NN can partner with Germany, China, Israel or Singapore for the technical fittings on it. In my opinion, any vessel that’s less than 100m in length and a max displacement of 1200 ton should be built at home. Of course, we don’t know the displacement of these missile boats yet.
      On Aradu, the best will be for the ship to take a back bench for now. May be even sell it off. NN should reach for 2 Sachsen-class frigates to replace Aradu.
      Meanwhile, it could also be a good idea that NN starts splitting into 2 sister forces now. A full, blue water Navy and a littoral Navy. Aradu and NNS thunder, being supported by a couple of boats and FACs could be the start of a coast guard while the two new OPVs and two new frigates could be the foundation of a blue water navy…if NN has the will!
      Coast guard job for Aradu because keeping it running reliably has been a challenge in rencet times and for Thunder because it’s certain it came with a lot of restrictions on what it can be used for. They should be doing rotational antipiracy deployment in our coastal waters.

    • Ola says:

      Honestly, Nigeria has a lot of resources that are underutilised when it comes to ship building. I have browsing through the website of Nigerdock and I can only dream of what can be achieved through their facilities if the NN engages them on ship building!
      “Nigerdock’s Shipyard Division is the largest facility of its kind in West Africa with an outstanding history in the marine industry. It is specialised in the fields of ship building, ship repair, maintenance and refurbishment. It has a 25,000DWT graving dry dock, a 5,000DWT floating dock, quayside facilities and weather proof multipurpose workshops. It has constructed over 30 passenger steel hull ferries, aluminium pilot boats, tugs, barges and has repaired over 600 vessels.
      Nigerdock has impressive plans to develop and expand its Shipyard Division with the objective to improve its specialist and engineering capacity and carry out more complex operations including rig refurbishment and the ability to build larger vessels. The shipyard management is focused on offering its clients the highest level of service and to consistently improve on its quality and level of workmanship.”
      If you visit their gallery, you will be impressed!

      • Capt Tobias Wilcock says:

        Why are we donating this funds to the sustain foreign economies at the expense of our own. How would this industries progress if we do not patronize them, How long do we think the local industry would remain, The funds being applied are generated by Nigerians for Nigeria, The Chinese are not stupid so they insist that all finances provided for infrastructure are applied and used to pay strictly Chinese companies that handle all such projects

  9. jimmy says:

    http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/05/pipeline-surveillance-buhari-to-revoke-jonathans-contracts-to-opc-ex-militants/
    Look for the Administration of GMB to revoke the Contract given to the OPC ( especially to Gani Adams).This will be a requirement given to GMB by the most powerful people who run LAGOS state.
    The NN can expect to be very busy this year and Next it is expected that more ships will be rehabilitated and also for those ships that have been recently procured to be put into service as the rampant theft that is ongoing will be required to be stamped out.

  10. Trigger says:

    Mr. beegs its good news that the navy is getting new ships that is a welcomed move its also good that they are getting sound advice from the knowledgable people. Mr. Beegs i know youve given this small boat issue alot of thought, since they are cheap, fast and very effective. I know many countries navy operate this small boats but we in Nigeria should try not to follow this ‘copy ane paste’ approach else we become a ‘small boat’ navy.
    All this gunboats, missile boats, torpedo boats without guns first of all is almost useless in anti-piracy operations. Secondly, they operate en mass to overwhelm the opponent i.e from ten to twenty units operating in sync, anything less than that will not overwhelm the enemy and the table will turn so fast your head will spin, and we all know our governmen doesnt buy things in dozens. Thirdly, they dont go too far out to sea so that might impede out blue water navy aspiration. Since if the FG falls inlove with the cheapness of the boat thats bye bye to bigger warships. Also Mr. Beegs we shouldnt encourage buying of boats with size less than 40 meters, we should build them ourselves.
    By the way missile boats reputations just precedes it, they are not too accurate at some sea state since they are small for sophisticated equipments to fit in, they also dont carry reload magazines i.e they shoot once and then scoot as fast as they can. Lastly, they operate under excellent air cover anything short of that and the opponents airforce will use them for target practice, we know how the NAF are useless in providing air cover not to talk of in maritime environment which is more challenging.
    This is just my 2 kobo, i might be wrong though so i welcome correction.

  11. ifiok umoeka says:

    Greetings to all my ogas. Oga Trigger, u took the word from my mouth. I don’t know the design well to critic but small monohull vessels generally don’t fare well off shore (except some with special designs like SWATH, catamaram and trimaran etc especially when carrying loads like SSMs.

  12. ifiok umoeka says:

    Perhaps if they are operating in calm waters, then fine. Otherwise, I’m sure u wouldn’t want to operate those boats 20kms off during high tide

  13. ifiok umoeka says:

    I have always advocated that we ask ‘why’ and ‘for what purpose’ questns b4 we go 4 any toy! If we say intend to use them for anti pirate ops, then we don’t need the missiles but if its for A2/AD? What happens if their missiles don’t score? For me, they will not last the 1st minutes (the are too small to pack a meaningful self defence pack – sensor and weapon alike). Also, the most likely adversary is well rehearsed in facing small boat menace in confine space and your proposed mix will even try to make it difficult for the…too few numbers, too open sea and not air cover like has been pointed out by trigger.

    • Are James says:

      You are neglecting something important. These missile boats don’t have to work alone operationally. Expect some interesting network enabled engagement protocols when these boats are commissioned. We are talking land sea and air elements working together to defend offshore installations or trap marauding enemy vessels. If these boats are also stealthy, then na double wahala for the adversary. The idea that they will function in singles against larger vessels is based on the wrong premise.

      • @are james i agree with you. the missie boats are the 1st small steps in building offensive capability ffor the NIgerian Navy. most of our current boast are good for anti piracy activities, i dont think thats the purpose for the missile boats. against the other navies in the territory they would give us an edge and thats just a start, its not the end of the line. “He who must move a mountain must start by carrying small stones”. humble beginnins yes….but with concerted effort we will get there. but it cannot happen in a rush

  14. igbi says:

    MARTE: NO CAUSE FOR ALARM ! TERRORISTS IN SEARCH OF RESPITE CANNOT HARBOUR HERE
    There has not been any static deployment of troops in Marte for quite sometime in line with the need to emphasise more aggressive patrol of many threatened isolated communities while the assault on the forests and mountain hideouts of terrorists is ongoing. Only occasional patrols and surveillance have been undertaken towards the area as the bulk of troops are engaged in the operation to clear the terrorists from all identified enclaves in the forest. Besides, Marte had been deserted by citizens most of whom had fled to other towns while others are in IDP camps located in Maiduguri and other places.
    It is understandable that those terrorists escaping from the offensive operations in Sambisa and other enclaves are looking for place of respite. They must have found the Marte deserted and decided to harbour there. No problem. Now that their presence is reported, the issue will definitely be addressed in a very short while. There is really no cause for alarm in the way some reports are presenting this situation as if it is a meaningful resurgence of the terrorists. This will only fool the terrorists and there sympathisers into false celebration . There will certainly be no respite for terrorists anywhere in Nigeria. Wait and see

    • igbi says:

      Defence Headquarters

      • buchi says:

        it still boils down to the same problem..
        inadequate spread of manpower..
        in this oops there is a concentration of troops on one strategic objective.
        for crying out loud matte.is a border town.our borders should be our first point of cohesive.engagement in this war..what have learnt still.
        but speaking from what dhq has posted one would have to believe matte is a big trap for BH..a big decoy set by NA I hope
        and less I forget something didn’t sound right ant matte
        shebi our Chadian supermen have been liberating it for 3months straight on a daily basis.
        with no reports of engagement have our Chadian elites gone MIA..just asking
        cos the conjuring they can conjure can make phantom z really puke at not really being the only phantom around

  15. ifiok umoeka says:

    Instead of small boats with missiles, I would just get surface launchers for the missiles and proceed to get real ships. Why not start with 2 X F122s now and 2- 3 X type 045 or enlarged F22 for later?

  16. ifiok umoeka says:

    I think while trying to be ingenious, we should remember roles and not try to give task to ships or sailor that they can’t perform. Thus frigate duties stay with frigates and not OPV etc. Subs? Fine but then for what? A2/AD yes but not anti piracy! The we need to ask do we need songs or will 400-600ton coastal sub armed with missiles do? Also, surveillance assets will have to be tripled and more importantly protected. So what will suffice? Will akash do it, F3000 or will an S300/400 sys (with buk m2 and pantsir sys in the loop and total radar coverage with backup)? And of course the flankers, not 27s but 30s or 35s and in numbers. Mig 35 wouldn’t be bad either especially if we are serious about the jf 17s.

  17. ifiok umoeka says:

    Finally, we must not 4get to train on these systems – ie army, navy and airforce. Thus a solid C5STARI system to blend all. We will also need dummy ships and target drones. My 2 kobo

  18. Oje says:

    Nigeria must be prepared to go to war with Chat and depose Idris Derby if we are t ever have any hope of seeing Boko Haram defeated completely.

    • saleh says:

      you don’t go to war you are not sure of winning especially without air cover. we have more to lose if we do

    • Colloid says:

      It will be suicidal to go to war with Chad for now. Go to war with what? Airguards, albatross,gazelles, A-jet? Abeg! That’s a suicide mission.
      We still have no Air cover for the country. Until we have a DEAD/SEAD, Air superiority, Deep strike etc platforms for NAF, i still maintain “We Have No Air-Force”.
      Also, the war with BH cant be solve with conflict with chad coz if we should go to war with chad for allegedly aiding/arming/training BH, then we have to go to war with ourself also cox BH have a foothold, recruits/armed and get supplies here before this Military Onslaught. The war on BH will soon be over once we get our priorities right. We should expect more “kicks of a dying horse” thru S’ bombing, Urban attacks, lone attacks etc but NA are quite experienced and good in urban welfare.

  19. chynedoo says:

    What are we going to achieve by going to war with Chad? Boko Haram is a franchise, most terrorist groups these days have copied that Al Qaida template: decentralise the cells into localised groups with their own agenda able to operate independently of the larger group. So to think by attacking Chad, we could annihilate Boko Haram is not very realistic. ISIS operates same template, it has localised affiliates. The Iraq war also showed how effective this template is, local shia and Shiite militant groups simply fused with larger terror groups outside Iraq, at times collaborating to almost defeat the Americans who are the masters of COIN. So what NA is dealing with is more complex problem than what conventional warfare could solve. Attacking Chad would be as foolish as lobbing down a grenade down your trousers simply because an ant crept up your scrotum.
    If we attach Chad, what about Cameroun? There is more Boko Haram in Northern Cameroun than in Chad. There is even as much Boko Haram in Niger, as there is anywhere. Boko Haram understands the homogeneity of the areas bothering Nigeria and Chad, Nigeria and Niger and Nigeria and Cameroun in terms of language, topography, and terrain. There is a reason why Boko Haram keeps trying to take border towns because once they control border towns, it is easy for fighters to move in and out of target zones and easily blend in with civilian population

    • Capt Tobias Wilcock says:

      Sensible talk, giving excuse for France and West to intervene the Area, Security Council talk and decisions would now beyond Nigeria’ stand on foreign troops presence, Just like Syria or Yemen, The main focus now is to deal with BH decisively ( would be sending a message), thank are neighbors for their assistance ( Diplomacy) and then take over and secure our borders properly, no need for war, we would build up a deterrence force ( NN,NAF,NA).

  20. xnur44 says:

    New or refurbished NN patrol boats currently in different European countries; NNS Conquer (P.739), NNS Okura (P.754), NNS Bini (P.737) and NNS Valiant (P.745).

  21. igbi says:

    https://www.facebook.com/DefenceInfoNG?fref=nf
    10 MORE TERRORISTS CAMPS FALL AS MANY OF THEM DIE IN SAMBISA FOREST
    An unconfirmed number of terrorists died on Saturday as 10 additional camps used by terrorists were overran in the continuing offensive operations against the terrorists in Sambisa forest. The Dure camp which is one of the most prominent camps in the forest witnessed the fiercest battle as the Special Forces descended heavily on it before it finally fell.
    Four of the camps were located in a place called Iza within the forest while three others were noted to be recently established by the terrorists before the assault began. One soldier died from one of the land mine encountered in the operation while two others were also wounded.
    The terrorists lost a number of vehicles mounted with Anti-Aircraft Guns as well as armoured vehicles. Some of the terrorists who escaped from the camps also died as they ran into troops ambush in some escape routes from the forest.
    Meanwhile, some of the fleeing terrorists have also engaged in suicide missions at Bitta where they encountered the Nigerian troops and Kiskeru across the border in Niger Republic.
    The Operation to clear the terrorists in Sambisa and other forests is continuing as troops in all fronts have been alerted to be on the look out for fleeing terrorists. The Nigerian Air force is maintaining an active air surveillance to track the movement of terrorists for appropriate action as the operation continues.

    • Capt Tobias Wilcock says:

      Fantastic news, great work guys, God protect you all and grant the soul of the fallen mercy.

  22. buchi says:

    oga saleh says the snag whenever we think in that direction nd then view the Chadian airforce platforms with one eye we recoil bck into our shell.what years of ineptitude has caused us..
    and we are still waiting for our new airframes to be delivered.
    God help us if some one somewhere decide to scuttle any of this deals
    nah kill I go kill am if I get am

  23. buchi says:

    oga saleh that’s the snag whenever we think in that direction nd then view the Chadian airforce platforms with one eye we recoil bck into our shell.what years of ineptitude has caused us..
    and we are still waiting for our new airframes to be delivered.
    God help us if some one somewhere decide to scuttle any of this deals
    nah kill I go kill am if I get am

    • Capt Tobias Wilcock says:

      This figures make the price of lastest version of the MIG29 at $32M a piece.

      A palletized system that converts an C27J (same air frame as G222 ) into a gunship in minutes without altering the air frame structure, could be very effective BH insecticide.

      http://www.janes.com/article/51228/idef-2015-oto-melara-reveals-c-27j-gunship-system

      Oto Melara have unveiled a new palletised gunship system for military transport aircraft at IDEF 2015 in Istanbul.
      Armed with an M61A1 Vulcan 20 mm gatling gun, the Oto Melara Gunship system is designed to fit entirely onto a single 463L NATO standard 88’x108′ pallet. Gunship is designed to be a roll-on/roll-off system, with no modification needed to the aircraft. Indeed, company officials said that the system could be rolled-on or rolled-off an aircraft in 15 minutes or less.
      Besides the roll-on/roll-off capability, company officials cited one of the system’s key operational advantages as its servo-operated gunmount, which provides a much greater degree of trainability and arc of fire than typical fixed-mounts on gunships.
      The system has been designed by Oto Melara for an Italian special forces requirement. The company began developing Gunship after receiving EUR2 million (USD2.26 million) in research and development funding from the Italian Ministry of Defence (MoD) in September 2013. In total Italy has a requirement for six Gunship systems, with the company stating it expects a production order in 2016. Deliveries would then begin by the end of 2016 or by the start of 2017. The cost of a single Gunship system is understood to be several million euros.
      The gunship system’s M61A1 fires through the paratroop side-door of the transport aircraft, and retracts fully inside the aircraft when not in ready-to-fire mode.
      Gunship has been designed for use on any military transport aircraft capable of carrying a 463L standard pallet. That said, its design has been guided by the Italian special forces requirement for it to be installed on the Alenia Aermacchi C-27J aircraft, which has its paratroop door at the left-hand rear of the aircraft.
      Accordingly the entire system, including 750 rounds of 20 mm linked ammunition and the gunner, weighs 1,550 kg – the maximum safe load for the rear pallet stowage position on the C-27J. To achieve this low level of weight, the system makes extensive use of carbon fibre construction, with the M61A1’s mounting system, the workstation, and even the gunner’s chair being made of carbon fibre to save weight.
      Contained within the pallet system are the M61A1 Vulcan, its mounting system and servos, a modified Selex ES Janus electro-optical infrared turret, gunner workstation, magazine, GPS and INS reference systems, and the system’s electronics and power systems.
      Gunship has its own batteries, capable of operating the system autonomously for 30 minutes; but it can also be plugged into an aircraft’s auxiliary power supply allowing indefinite operational time. The M61A1 has been limited to a fixed fire rate of 4,000 rounds per minute for the Gunship system.
      Oto Melara revealed that the first prototype was delivered to the Italian Air Force in October 2014, who certified it for flight on the C-27J and began airborne firing trials on 3 March. These took place at the Capo Frasca range in Sardinia and included one dry and 11 hot runs. In total 550 rounds were fired through the Gunship system at altitudes of 1,500-3,700 ft and a slant range of just over one mile.
      Oto Melara is now fine-tuning the system and expects it to have a Circular Error Probability lower than 4 m at 5,000 ft of altitude/2,000 m slant range. At the higher altitude of 10,000 ft this would increase to 10-12 m, according to the company.
      A further, final, batch of firing trials are planned when the Capo Frasca range reopens in October, after which the system should be fully qualified.
      Oto Melara officials revealed that it was in talks with several Middle Eastern clients about the system and that firing trials in at least one Middle Eastern customer were also planned. While currently armed with an M61 Vulcan, the company said that the system had potential for the armament to be increased to a 25 mm gatling-style cannon.
      As well, it noted that a separate Italian company was developing a second palletised command, control, communications, computers, and intelligence (C4ISR) system that would add datalink capabilities to the Gunship system and function and allow a transport aircraft to function as both a gunship and an airborne command post for ground operations.

  24. beegeagle says:

    @Trigger+Ifiok. You have raised solid points but this has never precluded the possibility of getting major combatants. We merely seek to ease the NN back into missile-carrying ways which they have practically forgotten about.

    You have to go back to the late 1980s to record the LAST TIME a shipborne missile was tested in Nigeria. That possibly means that only senior flag rank officers in the NN today witnessed that. Not good enough.

    There is really no conflict of interest between these small missile craft and oceangoing platforms. When the NNS Aradu was fully operable, we had her, two Mk.9 corvettes and six large missile craft all afloat. Ownership of small missile craft does not preclude the necessity for oceangoing fighting ships.

    When we came out with our precis on small missile craft, it stemmed from the conviction that the NN do not have people savvy in missile operations who are not in the admiralty. Those do not steer ships any longer. So our perspectives were underpinned by

    * the need to immediately plug a glaring and disconcerting capability gap which was threatening to distort the perceptions of our navy. It is a NAVY and not a coastguard…so it must possess fighting ships

    * a 32m missile craft could cost half as much to operate and maintain as the 58m Combattante III and Lurssen missile craft of yesteryears. We were looking for a way by which the NN could plug a capability gap, quickly and effectively, with the entailment of manageable costs in the lead up to the induction of major combatants. IF cost consideration was the stumbling block, we came up with this idea to get around that.

    * In the main, no special advantages stemming from size accrued from the 58m platforms so I believe that we can downsize, cut operating and maintenance costs while maintaining the same capability. Bodes well for multitasking and continuing availability of strike assets as well. We can keep four 32 metre missile craft for the same cost as two 58m craft.

    * the need to provide ongoing and hands-on experience for a new crop of missile operators for the NN, conveyor belts for the main line expected to be opened up by corvettes and frigates – MUST HAVES.

    * like Are James has pointed out, additional wave riding abilities could accrue to a platform based on the design alone. The ASD design of a 17 metre Manta Mk.II could see it operating only where only a 1970s vintage 32m craft could in times past.

    Here is how the Canadian Coast Guard categorise their Midshore Patrol Vessels even in their famously turbulent territorial waters

    QUOTE

    Mid-shore patrol

    Medium sized patrol vessels of about 37 – 42 metres which
    operate up to 120 nautical miles offshore. These vessels carry one or two rigid-hull inflatable boats (depending on the variant design) and have accommodation for two fisheries or police officers. The main use is for maritime security andfisheries enforcement.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Canadian_Coast_Guard

    END

    Mural of the story : If we can push 32-35m missile craft a hundred nautical miles out to sea, from inside our waters, they can launch C802A SSMs a further 120 nautical miles which gives us at the very least, total SSM coverage of our EEZ which a shore-based SSM battery will not yield so totally.

    Again, we had in mind the modular design of the P18N OPVs and believed that given modular designs, the missiles on board the small craft can always be extracted and mounted on the P18Ns. The NN might actually be on to a plan whereby the small missile craft provide fast intercept speeds while avoiding the operating costs of big ships AND providing a ready source of moveable SSMs/SAMs when the need for deepsea offensive action arises.

    Permit me to suggest that we leave the 24m craft solely as torpedo boats while placing an additional order for two 32-35m craft to be SSM and SAM-equipped

    * Concerning the six 58m craft, let us cannibalise ONE of each triad to keep two sister ships afloat. So decommission one of three Lurssen FPB and one of three Combattante III and use as spare hulks to keep two sister ships of each type afloat. Make them useful, they do not have much longer to serve.

    If we put four 58m ships back to sea, delete their missiles, convert one to a supply ship to support OPV operations and deploy these remaining three of them as Midshore Patrol Vessels armed with 30mm cannons and HMGs for anti-piracy patrols between 100km and 200km offshore.

    Good morning gentlemen.

  25. ifiok umoeka says:

    Oga greetings.
    I like ur idea about the 58m boats. Perhaps we can add the 2 Italian made MCMVs to make it 8 boats. However, if missile firing capacity is what its all about, then we can park a truck or even a canoe behind some mangrove and it will do.
    The c802 and are decent SSMs but they are not ‘unevadeable’. A lot of counter measure are available today especially in the kitty of the most likely adversaries these boats would have to face. They have practiced anti-swarm attack techniques. Their anti-missile systems from over-the-horizon to Close-in are well rehearsed.
    The question then is, what happens when my missile misses and there’s a blackhawk or some drone with NSM or hellfire around? Turn and run I guess but how far can u get?

  26. ifiok umoeka says:

    In the falkland war as well as in the gulf war (kuwait), it was proven beyond reasonable doubt what missile attack copter can do to a missile boat. Operation mantis is another example.
    This lessons where learned and the Tanrantul class missile boats are outcome of these lessons. That’s why the Chinese (who deploy them in numbers – the quality of quantity) themselves ditched their small boats and replaced them with bigger boats. Its not just about sea faring (which of course is fundamental). Its also about proper equipment.
    In my opinion, if we want a missile boat, then we get them and in numbers, as for these under 150t boats, let’s just assign them to anti pirate work and arming them with anti-tank missiles will wreck havoc to them pirate boats

  27. beegeagle says:

    Lol..I get the hang of that, bro. How now?

    The difference here is that we are assuming that there is an option of FRIGATES/CORVETTES or SMALL MISSILE CRAFT. That option has not been tabled and 16 years after democratic governance was reinstated, we are still faced with the same yawning capability gap – a navy full of benign floating cans.

    We watched with horror as the P18Ns arrived without missiles – I would never know who thought that was expedient in a country which had not acquired any new ships that size of larger in 35 YEARS. How about maximising such opportunities?

    We began canvassing for small missile craft when it became obvious that nobody was even thinking of restoring the missile capabilities of the 58 metre flotilla. Whether that had to do with cost considerations or something to do with not wanting to displease anybody (the older Iranian Combattante IIs have since had their EXOCET SSMs deleted in favour of C802s), I would not know.

    As far as I was concerned, we needed to restore the offensive qualities of the NN beyond anti-piracy and shore bombardment capabilities. If cost be the snag (seeing that even the 58m ships were neither put back to sea nor restored to the missile carrying status), we came up with a compact plan which brings the offensive edge back while keeping costs of operation down.

    Like I said in my last post, these do not prevent the NN from getting corvettes and frigates since we also amassed nine large missile craft/corvettes/frigate in the early 1980s. What we are not interested in seeing a continuation of for one day longer is this unnerving situation of having TEN ships weighing in between 1,020tons and 3,360 tons yet NOT ONE is able to fire a torpedo/SAM/SSM. Not even any of the 58 metre ships.

    Let the big ships come when they come but we need to kickstart the rebuilding of that offensive capacity. Let us say we are rebuilding our missile craft flotilla at a cheaper cost overall. It kickstarts a trajectory for growth and I like the word “missile” associated with the NN again.

    May the case of the NN not become like that of the NAF fixated on F16s since 1986 so much so that we ended up with F7s (all na ‘F’), we must continue to innovate and by all means, we must keep on moving.

    Stagnation is not an option.Sometimes we hang onto the expedient while waiting for the ideal. Being emptyhanded while waiting for the ideal is not an option. Again refer to the NAF which have had every opportunity to nick Su-27s or MiG 29s for 20 years but were preening for F16s. After 25 wasted years, they ended up with F7s.

    We are still going to relieve them of that unwelcome overload called F7s. The heat is on. I CANNOT imagine TEN airforces in AFRICA flying MiG 29s, Su-27/30s, F16s and Gripens while our NAF are onto F7s.

    We fit dey here dey wait missile frigate and somebody go com dump one big ship with MRLS on the NN. I have learned the hard way. Let the missile craft come, worst case scenario is that someone will get courageous and have them retrofitted to the OPVs down the line.

    But being emptyhanded in the interim is not an option for me. I am innovating in sync with the Nigeria that we know. Our aspirations are a bit too low so we need to be ushered in at the shallow end.

  28. ifiok umoeka says:

    Hooting 4 u my bro. I hear u. I want the missiles too (much if I may add). The 80s were the best decade for the navy! Knowing what I know, we’ve never really had a money problem… God help us with these politricktians! I’m beginning to think, with a prop navy, questions like ‘…why is bunkering and piracy still going on’ will be ask. Thus, a ready made ‘we don’t have the tools’ is left in place perpetually. Gov after gov just need to tear off the cover page and drop in another with a change of date. Again God help us. Until we quit self benefiting politricks and think of the Nigeria 4 once, then perhaps I will have to live with missiles on any platforms…even canoes

    • Trigger says:

      Years of neglect have brought the NN to its knees, the politicians only care about lining their already fat pocket at the expense of the military. We all want missile armed navy, the frustration we all feel seeing our naval ships sailing nowhere without SSM, SAM and Torpedos. No coherent approach is taken to maintain and fill gaps in the fighting ships capabilities. Na me tire pass ooo.

  29. Trigger says:

    All those people advocating for invasion of Chad! Haba! Nigeria dont attack anybody, we are peacekeepers, if you look well we are even pacifist. Lol anyway Nigeria is like the poster child for peaceful coexistence.

    • Like srzly, I wonder ooo @ Trigger, If we attack Chad, U can expect all the western powers (which the advocates for an attack hv said want a piece of us) to weigh in on d matter with some desert storm style response. Russia sef go look us dey wonder after all Chad buys their weapons too, same with china.

  30. PRINX ARTHUR says:

    IF WE ATTACK CHAD RUSSIA AND U.S WILL USE US TO SIGN PEACE ANOTHER PEACE TREATY

  31. PRINX ARTHUR says:

    I MEANT SIGNING ANOTHER PEACE TREATY OTHER THAN UN ACCORD

  32. PRINX ARTHUR says:

    RUSSIA AND U.S ARE JUST FRENEMIES IF U STUDY THEIR FOREIGN POLICIES

  33. Oje says:

    Funny you guys think the West in the shackles of austerity, poor econimic growth, grwing domestic terror and an overstreateched military commitment will be interested in any form of conflict in Africa. If we do not take out Chad now, we may be forced to do so much later but at a far greater cost with oil prices below $38 per barrel. PREEMPTIVE GENTLEMEN.

  34. ifiok umoeka says:

    I really didn’t want to get into this attack chad issue but out of curiosity, how do u think we should do this?

  35. ifiok umoeka says:

    Muhammad Ali once said of Iron Mike Tyson…’All brawl, no brains’. Brawl we no get, make we follow throway our brain? Attack Chad ko, attack Chad ni. Hmm!

  36. xnur44 says:

    NNS Nemesis (P.733) and NNS Gbede (P.753) apparently activated their ship identification system in Norwegian waters today. New acquisitions perhaps.

    • jimmy says:

      Thanks for letting us know curious to know Source of Origin.Increasingly beginning to look like Israel,thousands of apologies if I am wrong. Curious part 2 as to the armaments.

      Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

      • xnur44 says:

        I am currently tracking five NN aforementioned patrol vessels including these in Norwegian waters. (Please run any ship tracking software e.g. Vesselfinder.com) vessels have call signs that did not exist in NN callsign register as of 2014. I do not have ship data nor pictures (now but I shall try tracking them until delivery. This is surly part of the NN share of $1b loan procurements.

      • xnur44 says:

        Ithe patrol.vessels are of modular construction. Any pictures I find will be posted in vesselfinder.com.

  37. xnur44 says:

    NNS Gbede (P.753) left Norwegian waters and today She is sailing on the mediterranean sea.

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