Troops and a DShK 12.7mm machine gun-armed Steyr 4K 7FA-G127 Armoured Personnel Carrier of the Nigerian Army on the streets of MUBI
A MT-LB multipurpose tracked armoured vehicle in the lead is followed by a Steyr APC as troops undertake confidence-building foot patrols at MUBI
PHOTO CREDIT: NEWS AGENCY OF NIGERIA
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Images/videos released from Nigeria military operations in Mubi and Bama show a significant distinction in personnel kitting.
The soldiers who liberated Mubi are significantly well kitted, and organised than the soldiers who liberated Bama. The guys in Mubi, were better systematised, showed a significant high level of training and tactics.
True. However the images of AK wielding front line troops spoils the picture. The AK-47 has better stopping power yes but its range is severely limited to about 300 yards>? I wish our army had better weaponry with longer range as standard assault rifle.
@oje
just for ur info if u did not know it already
the common infantry can take out targets at best in ranges of 300-450 m.
anything beyond that designated marksman embedded in the infantry will use DMR (designated marksman rifle) to take out targets at longer range.
snipers are a different thing all together.
full-blown snipers are armed with heavy long-range rifle( range 800-1500 m) and operate in small sniper teams .and they may or may not operate with the common infantry depends on the operational requirements.
regards
most NA personnel actually prefer the AK.
Hence the Nigerian Army got the beyrl-M instead of going for a Tavor-21 like the Navy or Airforce.
That is the impression I get. “Kala” is the name in NA pop culture
True..You dont need to do weapon 101, stripping, cleaning & assembling all the time. Take a kalashin after 6 months and it would fire well. The FN is another story ohh, good effective killing range but disappoints in the heat of battle…
N.A should at the very least modernise the AK. Up-grades on the AK are relatively easy to perform, and can be done by a local Nigerian company in partnership with DICON.
The FN-FALs are wasting away. Upgrade the to DMRs and issue to Designated Marksmen in each unit.
@all
one thing i noticed in all the pictures posted of the conflict areas the roads in most of the pics are in good condition.nice
infact much better than in my home state.darn
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/06/boko-haram-france-canada-germany-promise-to-support/
Right, because Boko Haram started yesterday. idiots.
And isn’t it sad to be relying on a country as far away as Canada, to gather intelligence on our own home grown problem, Who should have better intel? Canada or Nigeria. Sad
Canada is already helping Nigeria Sir Kay however the type of Intel that Nigeria needs is the eavesdropping and Financial wire tapping.
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I know they are, but not enough, or perhaps we just didn’t engage with them enough in the past.
But why don’t we have these things in the first place? I mean, Nigeria is no longer a young country, we shouldn’t be relying on foreign countries on different continents to be telling us the movement of terrorists within our own country, I’m sorry, that’s sad.
There is a lot of blame to place on the Nigerian Govt but when the enemy is moving between 4 countries and 5 if you count Mali.This is a different kind of war.
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Why should a 55 yr old be helped at everything, just because it has refused to use it’s own brain and rely on others,. Just think about it if that is not what is called to have a lazy attitude.
Sir Kay, Right on . do they speak the local languages or our air assets have stopped working, why always subservient to everybody ( like we are looking for a master nation), always looking for someone to ease the work or reduce the effort that is required of a sovereign nation. Why get independence and not remain a Vasal / satellite state. What intelligence can we not obtain by our selves, we have all the resources ( equipment, manpower, advantage of location, etc).
Oga Jimmy,
That capability already exist within the country, ask anybody in the Banking sector and Mobile phone companies, At least all they would need is focus and specifics. There seem to be a gap between the resources available and the military. Wars that have been fought successfully requires the use of all resources available within the nation and all sectors. This gap was put between the Civil populace and the Military by the colonials, who had a totally different purpose for the military. Whereas they built their own military based on a strong bond with their civil populace .
@Capt Tobias Wilcox
I agree there are too many brain dead people running things. We are not doing enough strategic and creative thinking. You are also right that Nigeria is loaded with capabilities that would astound even ourselves but let me just tell you also without the right people appointed into the right positions …all this is nothing. You may say institutions are what we need but even the right people are needed to build, lead and change institutions. Originality and invention is essentially an individual thing but too many people accept the limitations of their environment and there is just not that fundamental ‘break it down’ and ‘build it up’ thinking. We let ourselves down then resentfully reject the insults coming from that position.
Canada or no canada, NIGERIA SHOULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING. Why should we rely and depend on someone for our survival. Atleast, a 55 years old woman should be independent and cater for herself.
I believe we have the resources/manpower/intellects to Succeed/Survive/Self-sustaining/Secured
BUT
The “WILL” is our major problem.
Two masterminds of last year bombing at the Gombe Line Transport Services have been arrested after a shootout with troops in Gombe on Sunday. The two suspected high profile terrorists were eventually arrested following surveillance and intelligence operations that tracked them to a check point at Bajoga in the state.
One of them sustained serious injuries during the encounter. He is being treated at a military medical centre.
Interrogation of the suspects has started.
CHRIS OLUKOLADE
Major General
http://dailypost.ng/2015/06/09/troops-apprehend-mastermind-of-gombe-bombing-after-shoot-out/
http://www.punchng.com/news/two-gombe-transport-blast-suspects-arrested/
For the one millionth time these suspects need to be charged to court ASAP
Yes O, throw the book at them.. Multiple counts of premeditated murder, destruction of public property, conspiracy, terrorism (find some extra). Quick quick rule of law then sentencing.
Only the military was really fighting against terror in the last dispensation-most politicians and law makers were interest in procurement related largess,ethnic agenda and re-election. Its a pity that after 14000 people had been murdered in the most gruesome manner known to mankind, not one single Boko Haram member has been sentenced to death and executed-it shown a weakness of political will, it is a big shame!
We should enact law for the establishment of anti-terror court that will allow top terror brass to be tried in military type courts with minimal representation and very short trial period-with no option of non-military appeal. This itself will serve as a huge deterrent to terrorist. Recall the Pakistani school massacre- that same week, four top rated terror commanders on death row were executed in retaliation and the message was loud and clear- there has been no attack on military family since then.
If the politicians will fight this war the way the military is fighting it-it would have been long won!
@ Capt Tobias Wilcock
The Capability that exists in the Financial sector is very different from the Defence sector, I would love to tell you that your anger is righteous but it is not .It is misplaced.
Even now one of the biggest reasons why PMB directed the army hq to move to the North East is the communication problem and the physical gap between ABUJA and Maiduguri.
And no Country is independent anymore this is the reality of the 21 st century , America went to AFGHANISTAN, with the Brits, the Canadians, the Germans, the Poles, and NATO and were still short of MEN AND MATERIAL.
For the bh war to come to an end Nigeria needs TONS of COMMUNICATION equipment but in the FIELD AND FOR FINANCIAL as well as wiretapping intel some of which we have and some of which we most def do not have it is becoming a problem and yes PMB knows about it, I have this time deliberately kept sensitive info of this blog.
Right now there is a lot going on behind the scenes, but the most important thing is to destroy bh and capture the remaining ring leaders.
My dear Brother Oga Jimmy (if you permit me) , There is ample capability to manufacture and at least assemble any form of communications gadget within Nigeria, not to talk of a number of our satellite doing tango in the orbit. Announce today that you want a communications system built in house by Nigerians and back it up with just half of the amount used to purchase externally and you would be amazed at what innovative devices that would be built by Nigerians, There are loads of people and “School Children” that would put this on the ground easily. Look example of remote sensing of Sambisa for caves and under ground bunkers , the United Nations Center of excellence for Regional aerospace mapping/sensing is in Ife manned mostly by Nigerians, with students from as far as South Africa coming to improve and learn. they lecture to rest of the world with “long distance learning methods”
The countries you mentioned are rightfully cooperating , but not as beggars with plate in hand and asking “what to do”. They are taken as equal partners bringing something to the table. To contribute not to help sort out their own issues.
Try to image the will and drive of the drug man that built or initiated the building of submarines in the jungle. (Need, Will, Purpose and action), what stops us apart from our selves. At this age and time which Nigeria in the Civil sector has got so much going for mobile communications sector, their is no excuse apart from the military did not approach the communication companies for a domestic grow solution, As long has the military isolates it’s self this resources would be lost to the planners. Nigeria is not playing along the designed behavior to fit the narrative of the west.
All that “we would help” is not for free, it is for their own interest, why military matters in a financial forum. could it hang on free trade so that some western countries can come in with their products and kill our industries over again. I am sure if we look around us at home and office, you would see only made in ” China” or assembled /built in Nigeria products and now that trend is spreading from Nigeria to the rest of the region and beyond. For us to grow to be a world power it has to be the rich man’s heaven is the poor man’s hell. So the Western narrative and noise that Nigeria would break, Ebola would kill them off, BH would break the country, Elections would be bloody, etc.
I agree with you that BH has to be destroyed in quick order, because they are hoping for more to come. we need to destroy their beach head on our soil, in the middle east the west is standing by the side lines while having Al Q and IS do the job for them to remove Assad and then they can come later to clear up all the weaken factions that is left ( however they did not reckon that it would spill so strong into Iraq or Yemen). We do not need any Libya type conflict ( estimated to go on for next 15-20 yrs) on our Nation. This nations sustain all there nice environment based on the juice sucked from Africa and strategical they see Nigeria as a future block to that access ( both market share, natural resources, educated persons , etc). In short at a close time in future it is going to be a “Nigerians or Them” situation. The West pushed us away during the height of BH attacks and we became stronger, so now they want to bring Nigeria close and control what we do, least we get to uncontrollable. ” Sun Tze”
My brother there is nothing to add here.
We are just lacking in self confidence and drive. Also because we never plan deeply, we do not really foresee what we need in advance to allow for R and D. Rather our fire brigade approach ensures that by the time we see a need it is already to late for R&D and we are forced to procure abroad in a rush.
Also our leadership lacks the belief in our abilities, thus they see any funds devoted to R&D as a waste since ‘ na only oyinbo man fit produce technology’!
Yar A’ dua/GEJ for all his other failings marked a departure in this area hence the emergence of Igirigi, the locally built seaward patrol boat, Amebo, the bomb disposal robots etc.
I just hope Buhari or his appointees will continue along this lines.
The fault is in us not in our stars that we are underlings!!!
A large Nos of #BokoHaram terrorists including elusive Abu Tais was saturday killed in a firefight with Nigeria forces at Boboshe N.W Dikwa
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/184740-boko-haram-army-air-force-chiefs-visit-maiduguri-as-military-relocates-command-centre.html
I wonder if the French, Canadians, Germans etc that we are running to for help with military intelligence against boko haram can translate Kanuri, Hausa and Arabic phone calls? How exactly are they going to help us?
Someone says financial intelligence. Does that mean our Nigerian experts are too stupid to be able to trace financial transactions? Or that we no longer have talented hackers and qualified IT people?
This is just a further sign that Nigeria is being traded away. It is a sign of an overwhelming inferiority complex.
Even our economic action plan is partly written by foreigners, and has been seen by the foreign press, while Nigerians have neither had a whiff of it, nor have we seen a single minister; not even a minister of defence in these times of war. This is an excerpt from an FT article to prove my assertions:
…according to a draft action plan for the president’s first months in office seen by the Financial Times…
The action plan for the president’s first months in office was drafted by an APC transition team with the help of consultants KPMG.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/423ff20c-0ebc-11e5-848e-00144feabdc0.html
We have to find a way to believe in ourselves and grow our country. Foreigners will not do it for us.
“Rather our fire brigade approach ensures that by the time we see a need it is already to late for R&D and we are forced to procure abroad in a rush.”
This is a direct quote from OZED. it summarizes what the main problem is.
Dear Oga’s kindly see what this country man has achieved in Japan, apart for his academical achievements, pls see also the vehicles has has designed, He already has two Nissan patents under his name in Japan ( home of modern automobiles).
http://www.thecable.ng/bravo-nigerian-student-japan-solves-30-year-old-mathematical-equation
BRAVO: Nigerian student in Japan solves 30-year-old mathematical equation ⌂BACK TO HOMEPAGE SUBSCRIBE TO RSS FEED June 10 16:37 2015 Print This Article Share it With Friends 👤by TheCable 0 Comments Ufot Ekong, a Tokyo-based Nigerian student, achieved the highest grades at a university in Japan for 50 years and solved a maths puzzle in his first semester that was unsolvable 30 years ago, The Independent reported on Sunday. It quoted Flotilla Magazine as reporting that Ekong, who studied at Tokai University in Tokyo, achieved a first class degree in electrical engineering and scored the best marks at the university since 1965, breaking a whopping 50-year jinx. The feat was deemed little surprise, as he was only in his first semester in the university when he solved a 30-year-old maths equation. Throughout his university career, Ekong (pictured receiving one of his awards) won six awards for academic excellence despite maintaining two jobs alongside his studies to pay his way as a student. The car he designed Ekong also speaks English, French, Japanese and Yoruba, and won a Japanese language award for foreigners. He is currently working for Nissan and already has two patents for electronic car design to his name. He is now studying for a Ph.D. For his project, he made the electric car, which travels as fast as 128 kilometres per hour, operating on charged batteries. Founded in 1924, Tokai University is focused on the sciences and technology and roughly 60 per cent of all students are enrolled in these schools. Photo Credit: CCTV Africa/RisingAfrica.org
Read more at: http://www.thecable.ng
“maths equation”, is there any equation which is not a maths equation ?
I commend the guy. And I am sure what he did is an important work of engineering. But I would have liked it if the journalist were a scientist who could have put the specifics of the work of the student on the news paper. Yeah, some people are actually interested in the stuff.
Interesting….. “SHOW ME A COUNTRY US HELP/INTERVENE IN AND I WILL SHOW YOU A COUNTRY IN RUINS”.
http://sofrep.com/6343/area-18-secret-training-site-for-american-sponsored-terrorist-group-mek/
http://www.naij.com/458088-buhari-security-chiefs-meet-behind-closed-doors.html
Something is about to pop off
http://linkis.com/www.vanguardngr.com/27Zaa
My major issue with all the meetings going on is that Nigerian money is going to be partially financing a development plan for areas contiguous to the AOR of the MNJTF. While this is commendable in terms of sustainability of the solution but there is this nagging feeling that Nigeria will end up solely footing a bill running into billions $$$s over the next ten years.
Who else did you think should foot the bill? Oga James.
Its our people being massacred , not theirs.
we don’t have to foot the bill, but fact is, if we don’t do more about these killings, its our people that will keep dying.
But hey, just my opinion.
Oga Are James. I respect your hustle sir.
I concur with Sir Kay. Oga, if we do not continue to foot a greater portion of the bill, we cannot hope to retain considerable influence as Nigeria’s authority can easily be subdued by puppet masters who are ready to put their money where their mouth is. Nigeria, has more than enough stamina to actively operate the MNTF, moreover, Nigeria has recently announced to sister nations that there can be no rotation of leadership until and unless the war is won. This stance cannot be challenge, as it will be tantamount to loss of revenue for those nations involved. Nigeria must always seek to retain all our neighboring countries in our sphere of influence, we cannot do that by gragra, hehe, we can only do it by providing socio/economic treats to foster good relationship, lest puppets are forced to look to puppet masters for money and advise.
President Buhari has just informed the Presidents of Chad and Niger that there will be no rotation of the leadership of the MNTF every 6 months. Nigerian troops will not be led by outsiders
This is extremely good news OGA EYIMOLA
“He who pays the piper dictates the tune”
OGA AREJAMES, Nigeria needds to show real political and military leadership, Nigeria honestly needs to foot this bill it is not about dick measuring but more about accountability, prior to this we have seen the likes of a LT in the Niger army comparing himself to Nigerian troops. Nigeria has to take full charge of this situation both Financially and Militairly do not be surprised if some senior military officers who still think it is biz as it was under GEJ who tolerated their excuses are told to put in their papers.
The HQ is gonna be in Chad, right? Isn’t that odd
has that actually be confirmed though? I would expect the HQ to be located in Maidiguri
It is Ndjamena, Chad not Maiduguri, Nigeria for MNJTF.
However, Nigeria’s unilateral COIN efforts within its own borders would have an HQ located in Maid. reporting to DHQ.
Sir Kay. I respect your hustle sir.
MNJTF is based in Ndjamena; this is different from Nigeria’s command center in Maiduguri; i personally see nothing wrong with that, because we will continue to hold onto the top-most command of the MNJTF operations for the foreseeable future. Nigeria has made it known that there shall be no rotation unless and until the war is won, and seen to be won. Hence, there is a solid command structure able to withstand the test of time; Nigeria and her neighbors must continue to corporate to bring an end to these sub-human elements.
There are positive indications that unilateral actions by Chad and Niger will stop with the appointment of a Nigerian commander for the MNJTF. At least we would be having single point accountabilities, coherent mass communications and less of unprofessional, political gallery playing by the Chadian President. We also need to rearm massively in that region. The world of diplomacy (which is the pursuit of peace) is sometimes paradoxically enhanced by childish chest beating, it is silly but it works.
I said it some months ago then that Nigeria needed to bring the MNJTF under control. Let Nigeria form that body into a proper fighting force. Yes, let Nigeria spend some money on them in terms of training and logistics. Let them have a service uniform different from that of the participating armies and let Nigeria provide kits for them. Let Nigeria draft a training/integration/operational doctrine for the MNJTF. Let member countries equip their own armies. Meanwhile, the force should be extensively used for border security along the Nigeria-Niger, Nigeria-Chad, Nigeria-Cameroun borders. That would also be the peace keeping force for the sub-region in the foreseeable future.
Good Move
http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-lead-regional-anti-boko-haram-force-buhari-001339404.html
Nigeria’s Buhari draws red line for anti-Boko Haram force
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-11/nigeria-pledges-100-million-for-force-against-boko-haram
That’s no small change
Good Move
Please does anyone OGA XNUR, HENRY, ZACHARY, BEEGEAGLEhave any news on NN ARADU .
Wikipedia is listing here as being active have repairs started on her?
http://www.punchng.com/news/im-preparing-military-needs-for-g-7-leaders-buhari/
France : 12 Gazelles ( One SQUADRON)
Britain : Complete set up of an SAS Type BATTALION ( From Scratch)
Britain: Augusta Conversion of one of the Presidential Helicopters to a gunship
America : Radio Equipment linking the border towns of CHAD/ Niger/ Nigeria
America: Satellite encrypted phones linking all Military Commanders
America : 1XC-130 dedidcated soley to supply of this mission
Canada: APCs STRIET COUGAR
Canada:105MM, 122MM artillery shells/ swap out old arty shells
Canada: Radio Equipment, Satellite Phones* IN CASE AMERICA dithers, procrastinates , begins to read AI reports.
Poland : 20,000Beryl RIFLES
Germany : 150 Military version of the G55 vehicles 4×4
Germany :1000 Heckler and Koch
Germany :Technical know how and speed up the repair of the ARADU
Germany: Training from Ground zero of 6X Police anti kidnapping units with German weapons one unit for each geographical zone of Nigeria..
Is this your list or Buhari’s list?
All we need from G7 countries is unfettered, sanctions-free, open source capable combat aircraft and access to surveillance technologies not just hardware.
🙂
lol, you dream big my brother, and that list shall remain so lol
Personally i don’t like this idea of getting military assets from these people, but as long as we are only paying for the shipping to our country, that’s cool, but if we are buying them, then please look east. Sooner or later they are bound to threaten us with sanctions.
That said, these things we think are free, but not really, there is a reason America will borrow money and give it out to other countries as aid, that’s how they buy influence and dictate to you. I hate that.
Their worst nightmare is losing influence.
good, hammer away while the the irons still hot
and
by the way one of the most effective and potent anti stealth radar in existance (maybe the only one with with such high degree of multi tasking)
meet the unique, highly advanced family of modular Ultra High Frequency (UHF) Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar
The ULTRA-C1 (single cluster configuration) is a lightweight mobile system designed to provide an autonomous search and detection capability up to 500km for a typical fighter aircraft. The ULTRA-C6 (six clusters configuration) is designed for an Early Warning and long range of satellites, ballistic missiles and airborne targets at long ranges, while the ULTRA C-22 (22 clusters configuration) is a strategic system for ballistic missiles and space objects detection and tracking at very long ranges.
The ULTRA radar can be used as autonomous search radar, supporting all defense layers: Air Defense Surveillance for medium range, Early Warning system for long ranges, and a strategic system for very long ranges.
The radars offer an advantage of low RCS target detection at long ranges, operation under all weather conditions, and in the presence of dense electromagnetic environments.
How much power would this system be demanding in terms of MW?
@are james
not known,
u see AESA radars have numerous small solid-state transmit/receive modules (TRMs),and these modules individually operate at low powers, usually between 50-120 Watts at best guess (classified), so depending on the no of modules (which is always kept secret) say 2400 modules (again best guess) it comes to 120×2400=288000 W=288KWatts (highly speculative 😀 ).
but this much sure that the need for a large high-voltage power supply is very less compared to PESA and other legacy radars.
the system was only unveiled recently on 6 june 2015
IAI said the system has so far been sold to one client whom it declined to name.
i have a doubt that the client is india.
india was working on upgraded domestic versions of ELM-2080 Green Pine Radar System
aka Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR) which currently has a range of 600-800 km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball (3-inches in diameter), which the DRDO is in the process of upgrading it to 1,500 km.
most probable it will port in the sub systems and LRUs from the ULTRA to realize its capabilities into itself.my guess only.
india uses this methodology because every country only exports downgraded versions .so this is the only way to upgrade/achieve performance level on par with original system.
already ISRO has Multi Object Tracking Radar (MOTR) which can track 10 objects simultaneously in space. Objects up to 30 cm by 30 cm can be tracked upto 800 km slant range, and 50 cm by 50 cm objects, up to 1,000 km slant range.
regards
I am beginning to wonder if mr president will thank Russia and China at all for not putting Nigeria on arms embargo. I don’t understand the logics of disengaging with those who stood by Nigeria and becoming best buddies with those who stabbed us in the back. Are the westerners being thanked for putting Nigeria on arms embargo while GEJ was ruling ? And are the Russians and Chinese being punished for helping Nigeria while GEJ was ruling ?
i really do not understand your line of thinking
He was personally invited with a handwritten note from the Chancellor of Germany to come to the G-7 MEETING @ the meeting he was honored and allowed to interact with all G-7 members and Address the main participants, @ the MEETING and afterwards confirmed by a twwet from the prime minister of Britain he was told to bring his wish list.
Please answer the question igbi was he supposed to say no as more people are being killled in the North east?.
Nigeria will spend an initial outlay of $100million within a three month period June to September then the rebuilding of infras structure really begins.
I did not see you SAY NO to A Western STYLE education.
Nigeria has a multi billion dollar deal with China so take A CHILL pill and ditto Russia.
Look, I don’t know where you guys get the idea that education is western. Most of my professors in france are from russia.
And also for your information, education is international, it has nothing to do with any given region of the world. (I exagerated, most of my professors are from eastern europe and a good number being from russia, only few are from france (40%)) And also my education has nothing to do with the matter.
I made my point very clear, I am not anti-west I am pro-Nigeria. It doesn’t make sense for the president to reward the countries which stabbed us in the back and to punish those who stood by us. The fact that he was invited to the g7 doesn’t make any difference and it is quite unrealistic to think that that means we should be getting all our procurements from the g7 from now on. This is sending the wrong wessage.
The Russian and Chinese angles are already covered with commercial arrangements. Those countries never actually donated weapons though, we had to BUY and pay $$$s. Occassionally they threw in free stuff on the naval side. However, this is the most organized group of powerful leaders asking to help with weapon systems.
I dont think it is good strategy to say NO.
We are not going over old history as to why they were not supportive of the last administration even with all the money their multi-national institutions made in the last few years from Nigeria. It is just fact that they were not and analysing why should be the subject of another thread.
They are openly courting the new administartion because it is just too dumb to allow Nigeria with its large market and power in the region to become hostile to their interests.
I think it is very clear what is happening, it is a play for influence.
Nothing is free in this world. What we can recognize in those countries is that they stood by us by letting us purchase weapons manufactured by them while the westerners placed us on embargo. I would naively think that relizbility would be a factor in deciding where to purchase our new equipment. Now, how can one explain setting aside the reliable partners and praising and friending the unreliable ones. Since Buhari was elected, I don’t recall him actually even mentionning the countries which stood by us when GEJ was president. This brings my question: are these countries being punished for actually standing by Nigeria while GEJ was in power ?
Fair point. There should at least be an acknowledgement of the support.
China has no problem because they are agile operators. It is Russia that is a mystery.
I agree with Igbi to some extent, i said it before as well, While GEJ was in office, they only criticize us and largely watched as our people are being slaughtered, now all of a sudden we are best buddies?
SO basically they are saying, they refused to render substantial help back then simply because of one man, Jonathan, therefore allowed to innocent Nigerians to die.
If we have a choice, a better choice, i would prefer not to deal with these people, let alone be in their debt. Wish list ain’t free.
I would like Buhari to put Nigeria’s interests above his or his party’s. If the president is the personification of the country then this western romance makes no sense.
It is starting to look like this embargo was ordered by the presidents party and the countries which complied are recieving thanks while those who didn’t are being set aside.
(while he was not yet president)
by the president I mean Buhari and the party I am talking about is the apc (Buhari’s party)
That is a lot of power you are ascribing to a Nigerian party. For Buhari i am still investigating this new relationship with the west. Many years ago, the PDP had him cast as an Islamic fundamentalist and he was the one whom the west was looking on with glee when he was being clearly rigged against durng the OBJ regime and other elections. A possible spoinsor of Boko Haram and many other silly stories being carried about so what suddenly shifted and what made things shift?….and PDP the party of comparador bourgeoisie capitalists and corporate class is now the pro-eastern party?…give me a break. Something happened or is happening and it has nothing to do with east-west geo politics, it looks more like personalities
Obasanjo, whom I despise won against buhari with more than 12 million votes. And given the way this year’s election took place, my imagination would find it difficult to make to produce a more rigged election than this one: The child voters, the low collection of pvc cards in areas favourable to GEJ, the malfunction of the card readers, the fact that the card readers were actually Buhari’s idea and resulted from his interactions with the westerners, the constant threat of violence (even on the person of the then president), the political-propaganda coming from the western press …
What I am saying is just as painful to say as it is to hear, but I think Buhari’s party ordered the embargo.
Okay. They, APC the embargo.
The APC ordered the embargo
I don’t mean that the apc actually gave orders to the western governments, but what I mean to say is that the apc was atleast favourable to the embargo and saw it as a means to pursue apc political interests. That, in my opinion, would be the reason why those who put Nigeria on embargo are being rewarded, while those who did not are being sidelined.
I used the word order, I should have used the word “beg”.
There is a lot wrong with your premises. ‘The PDP does not rig’. How can someone say that with all fairness?..The greatest victim of PDP rigging is not even Buhari, it is a small regional party called APGA. The PDP rigs them to death all over the east. I have the latest news from Bayelsa, APGA which is being increasingly embraced by the people of that region was descended upon by PDP again just last week.
Against Buhari many years ago, it was rigging at point of vote entry. 1 vote for his party against 4 votes for PDP. The man said this openly and clearly in front of Jonathan and ranking foreign dignitaries at the pre election peace conference, Jionathan only countered with stories about threat of violence.
Why we bring up this local politics is that the west was complicit in all these things because of Niger Delta oil and improving atmosphere for investment. So someone should tell us what has suddenly happened between friends. The last PDP government was the most western investment friendly rulling party in Africa. The most sophisticated, syndicated financial investments and FDI packaging flowed into Nigeria. The Nigerian delegation to Davos was more powerful than Greece and many other European countries. So what happened between friends?.
Look, I think you are deviating a little bit. And secondly, it is funny that to you if Buhari says something, then it must be true. So the fact that Buhari said something in front of GEJ means it was true ? SO now the judge of the political process which involves Buhari himself is Buhari ?
And i would like to know where you got your quote becuase i don’t recall saying “the PDP doesn’t rig”. Also your accusations of PDP rigging against APGA, I find that extremely laughable because this is the first time I am hearing this. Also, this is the first time I hear anybody say that “the west helped PDP rig”. Are you just inventing things and using them as argument ? The fact remains that these elections were extremely rigged (and it seeems you are not denying that, rather you are trying to justify this rigging spree), but that is not even the subject matter, the subject matter is rather the embargo, and the question of it being sponsored by the APC. This is about human sacrifice for power !
Actually i am saying that loud and clear. The west was complicit with retired generals of the nigerian army and ex heads of state in delivering Nigeria to PDP after Abacha. They also nurtured the party and seconded key personnel from western global institutions as ministers. Everything was an arrangee arrangement. You might be too ‘scared’ to accept that truth but i have said it. At the time this was happening, Russia and China were also part of the ‘western world’ and in fact Russia got an Aluminium smelter in SE Nigeria, sold cheaply by OBJ. Russians and Chinese were already bidding for Shell assets in Nigeria as far back as 1997. Putin was not opposing the west was in fact in cooperation with them, he and his billionaire oligarchs and China with its smart leaders was already making billions of dollars monthly becoming a gigantic factory for western corporations. I am not justifying history, i am just putting things in perspective.
I think you are playing fast and lose with words. You are now calling your claims “History”, that is extremely fraudulent, you look ike the kind of person who would say things like “what I said is true because I said it”. You need to learn how to conduct a logical proof, no need to agrandise yourself or your arguments by calling them words like “truth” or “history”. Rather use veryfiable facts and sound logics.
You need to stop saying the APC sucessfully sponsored a military embargo against a sitting Nigerian government fighting an insurgent/terrorist organization. It does not make sense at all.
Then what do you call it when Buhari is rewarding those who actualized the embargo and punishing those who didn’t ? And let us add to all this that the apc opposed the loan meant to buy weapons for the army and the fact that apc politicians encouraged desertion and mutiny in the military while GEJ was president.
People encouraging mutiny and desertion is merely your accusation. Soldiers were deserting the front at least a full year before APC made any comments remotely concerning the army. They also turned guns on their GOCs. Did the APC also cause their housewives to demonstrate?… or the full throttle, okada crushing retreats by armoured cars that we saw many times, were they set up by the APC?..
They must actually be superhuman if they could achieve all these while forcing Obama and European governments to declare arms embargo on their own country. Maybe they were actually stronger than the sitting government and that was why they rightfully won the elections. Abeg let us go and sleep.
The complete unfettered truth will eventually come out but i just want to know what caused quarell between friends (PDP and the West) that PDP is now pretending to be the Marxist-Leninist, Maoist political party of Nigeria. LOL.
For your information, a few soldiers desert at each and every war and in every army. The thing which is actually less common is a section of the political elite encourageing soldiers to desert. And I never said the apc “forced” western governments to impose an embargo on Nigeria, rather what I claim is that the embargo imposed on Nigeria by the west was a result of the alliance between the apc and the west. I cliam the apc politely asked the west to put Nigeria on an embargo to further the common interests of the apc and the west: 1) to portray GEJ as weak; 2) to make GEJ look clueless; 3) To make the people see GEJ’s presidency as a disaster. 4) to have Buhari elected.
This is just the point you should not be making . You are not delivering a compliment to that regime when you make these points against the backdrop that the APC succeeded at everything you are alleging.
Look, all I am interested in is Nigeria’s well being. Unlike you, I don’t need to tell lies. I don’t think treason is vertue in politicians. Treason should be rewarded with a bullet to the head, not with an inauguration.
Oga Igbi and co please can will move from who is pro west or east. PMB is the C in C and he has decided to give our wishlist at the G 7 meeting. we should be discussing what he should request for. The west and east do not love Nigeria more than their countries if it suits their national interest they will sell to BH even. We are not wiser than the majority of Nigerians that voted him. Please let us shift from international politics to defense discussion. I hope the surplus from the ME is overloaded to us
But 30 years from now, hopefully history will survive the propaganda and then you and I will see who was on the right side of history. Given that Buhari was not the president of his party, my only hope is that he is not the one who committed the treason. But it is clear that the apc leadership committed treason against Nigeria.
Oga Jimmy, there are people who are naturally opposed to authority because it’s a rave to do so. Nigeria should be proud that it’s President was invited as a guest of honour by the seven most powerful countries on earth, they kicked out Russia and invited Nigeria, This is a clear statement that the world sees Nigeria as a strategic partner and arguably the most important nation on the continent. Of, course the South Africans conveniently chose this period to downplay this momentum by the public unvailing of the African Trade Zone, the largest in Africa’s history. They claim this is to foster economic cooperation and boost Afr8can economies yet paradoxically Nigeria, Africa’s biggest economy was left out.
There is no problem with being invited to a banquet, We do need a few thing from them, What is the advantage of “helping the 55 yr old, apart from keeping him in check and not let letting him run around beating his chest as a regional power, I honestly believe that nobody here know what is at play. why request for a US communications system ? what information is encrypted from whom, BH or Nigerian populace /media, while all contents as of when required is available to any Western Country, Francophone nations would have access via France( So who exactly are we encrypting from ?). transmitted information definitely reached USA before the local remote terminals), Canada or a more neutral country might have been a better choice. That is hwy we must assume that the Russian are stupid to give up detail of their front line aircraft (SUs) to the west to inspect and full analysis and evaluate via sales to Nigeria. The Russian Ambassador’s comment at the height of BH was what exactly do you want., does any body do the arithmetic of cost of buying APCs from over seas ( You would be through building a mansion for the cost of one), the shipment cost alone would produce an Igirigi at home.
Why do you have to train and anti kidnapping unit from Germany, my little asymmetric war training which covers global area of operations shows clearly that the behavioral patterns of Nigerian felons and intention is different from that you would find in Europe or US or Middle east. His decisions to a large extend would be guided by his cultural beliefs (religious and needs). maybe if you talk of Mexico or South American experiences , it might be closer to home for the Southern cases and Pakistan and M.E for the NE.
Without disclosing too much I hope that the dance of the Moth and the Flame does not start again. The West were not drunk when they said the Country would go down, it was not against GLJ per se , but the direction of progress that Nigeria was starting to slowly point, with the way the western economies are hurting , ask yourself why would they what another local competition in the ECOWAS union. To slow down Peugeot and Ford sales.
There is a mental lock here that we are unable to do anything by ourselves . Here we go again thinking along Lord Luggard’s narrative, Any way I believe that our leaders would have more insight and tact than most of us here on the blogg.
“In character and temperament, the typical African of this race-type is a happy, thriftless, excitable person. LACKING IN SELF-CONTROL, DISCIPLINE, AND FORESIGHT. Naturally courageous, and naturally courteous and polite, full of personal vanity, with little sense of veracity, fond of music and loving weapons as an oriental loves jewelry. HIS THOUGHTS ARE CONCENTRATED ON THE EVENTS AND FEELINGS OF THE MOMENT, and he suffers little from the apprehension for the future, or grief for the past. His mind is far nearer to the animal world than that of the European or Asiatic, and exhibits something of the animals’ placidity and want of desire to rise beyond the State he has reached. Through the ages THE AFRICAN APPEARS TO HAVE EVOLVED NO ORGANIZED RELIGIOUS CREED, and though some tribes appear to believe in a deity, the religious sense seldom rises above pantheistic animalism and seems more often to take the form of a vague dread of the supernatural”
“HE LACKS THE POWER OF ORGANIZATION, and is conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of men or business. HE LOVES THE DISPLAY OF POWER, but fails to realize its responsibility… he will work hard with a less incentive than most races. He has the courage of the fighting animal, an instinct rather than a moral virtue… In brief, the virtues and defects of this race-type are those of attractive children, whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as to an older and wiser superior and without envy…Perhaps the two traits which have impressed me as those most characteristic of the African native are HIS LACK OF APPREHENSION AND HIS LACK OF ABILITY TO VISUALIZE THE FUTURE.”
Well it does not have to be master-slave everytime with the west.The Germans sell major producer goods to China. The precision machinery churning out Chinese aircraft and trains that we buy could very well be German. So many complexities in international trade and intellectual resources. The important thing is for a leader to know what he is doing.
There is something interestingabout the west thougg. They seem to admire strength. OBJ nationalized their investments in the seventies but he later became their ‘asset’. They will genuflect to Iran and offer ridiculous incentives to persuade them not to build an atomic bomb… but for Iraq, their ally they do a shoddy job of training troops and helping them fight ISIS. North Korea used to get almost free grain by threatening to cause trouble accross the DMZ with Jimmy Carter before Reagan cured that idiocy.
There is need for strong leadership that articulates a national intyerest and communicates it so that we the citizens and the world are sure of where we stand.What you dont do is steal mindlessly, display irritatingpassive aggresive and and dont show stabiizing leadership in a region you should be pulling your weight.
As for Lugard, who was not an educated man by any means, he has been proven wrong many times. In Nigeria above all other countires, he was proved wrong. Did Zik not have vizualizing power?. Was Awo not a governmental genius?. How many Africans doing Masters degrees and PhDs in European and American institutions?. I saw not less than twenty a fortnight ago at a frontline UK university close to the defence establishment. Meanwhile, the average white Briton has developed a lack of interest in higher education in the last decade and only recently have things started improving slightly in terms of university intakes.Our problem has been leadership and there have also been compromising actions by a few people who for percuniary reasons have not allowed the best to rise to the top. Pure and simple.
oga IGBI
Please anytime Imention the west you should not have an apocalyptic fit you know it is called the reality on the ground. The GEJ govt saw what damage the GAZELLES did to BH so the GOVT OF GEJ ordered Five, Despite one of the PUMAS crashing in LAGOS THE pumas proved themselves in the heat of battle you know what i say they should acquire at least 6 more and if France or Britain is offering them at steep discount I say grab them because NAF pilots are familiar with this bird.
IGBI get over the election it is over GEJ lost PMB won it is over get off that topic. .The Western nations that imposed the embargo were not commanded by the APC
CAPT TOBIAS please consult any of your family members above the rank of LT.COL before you quote a man who has been dead for almost 70 years what in the tea of china has that got to do with the current system. The colonel and Brigadier generals and LT COL who have been in MAIDUGURI for more than 12 calendar months will tell you they need help NOW
1) COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS : Because there are not enough COMMS RIGHT NOW
2) Nigeria needs more planes even the CAS has mentioned not only more planes and helios but helios with enhanced network COMMUNICATION ABILITIES THIS IS THE Chief and he specifically asked for the T-129.
3) The G-7 IS AMONG THE GROUP OF THE MOST POWERFUL NATIONS IN THE WORLD : They invited PMB with a request for a wishlist , a hand written letter from the host nation who happens to be the most powerful woman in Europe, pray tell me what pmb should of done since he should not dance near the flame by your reasoning he should of sat at home? twiddling his thumbs ! i guess the narrative is great if we follow igbi rationale of hyperventilating anything western when the closest he got east is the seine River. your explanation about having eastern lecturers is not even worth responding to.
Nigeria well managed and security conscious stands to be the most powerful country in AFRICA AND CASH CRUNCH NOT WITHSTANDING DIVERSIFYING her economy and having 24 hour electrical supply puts her in the $1tr club, if it was you as the prime minister of Britain CAPT i beg wetin you go do now?
It as usual boils down to Money do you honestly think China, America Russia love us anymore than they love their own country no they do not.
Nigeria paid China close to $90 mil for two ships money for hand back for ground it sure wasn’t damn free.
It is estimated that the deal with Russia will START AT $100 MILL AND HEAD CLOSE TO $1B Please as the outgone foreign minister will say No one can love Nigeria more than the Nigerians, as for IGBI DID apc also tell the FINANCE MINISTER to cut the def budget by 25% and did they also tell the former president not to have a def minister for a year?
1)THE BH war needs to end yesterday
2) The Entire Armed forces needs to be equipped to the Status that Nigeria was once accustomed to in the late 70s under Shagari and if seven western Nation are asking us for a wish list it will be the HEIGHT OF STUPIDITY to say oh no remember what you did to us in the past?when as we are saying this we have troops riding around in wafer thin toyota hiluxes issokay.
3) AFTER THE WAR IS OKAY then we can do our Rand D
Look, in the past I actually had a lot of respect for you. You made some mistakes in some posts, but still the heart was there. But personnally, I don’t have the same appreciation for the level of your comments of late. Why do I have to tell you again that education has no nationality ? What does my not ever being to western europe have to do with the fact that Russia and China and Czech Republic stood by us while the west put us on arms embargo ? Where I am and what I study (work on) has nothing to do with the subject matter, my professors could have been extra terrestrial for all I care. The fact remains that Buhari is rewarding the nations which placed Nigeria on arms embargo and punishing those who stood by Nigeria. And that was clear from the day Buhari was elected and he praised uk and america.
not “western europe”, I mean “eastern europe”
Maybe the ex president should take it up with them. He is actually here in London now (not Moscow). Maybe he should activate old contacts and go and ask them in Whitehalk that question. After that he should go and stay in the country of the “people who stood by us”.
*whitehall*
Could you actually try and make sense ? What exactly does where GEJ go on hollidays have to do with this ? Why are you guys constantly trying to deviate ?
why can’t you just be sound and logical ?
Mr Lt Col Jimmy for a start, it is demonstration of ” lack of self control” ( As stated in the 70 yrs dead nut case) to be make remarks that border on being insulting to persons you do not really know, other than they make comments from their own perspective, which might defer from yours depending also on what level you operate and access. “Capt Tobias” is a pen name got from a popular musical Character in the 70s (I attended Discos then, bet you were in knickers or not “born yet”), by the way the highest person in my family was a Brigadier General in “conflict times”, and I stand on my own self recognition after 30 yrs being globally active in my area of specialty which includes Military /Civil aviation and others which I would not elaborate, I consult on a global pedestal to western countries via their top Officers mostly Generals ( Not Lt Cols from my family) and a few African Militarys Officers representing their Governments. Without being too load, least I become emotional and haughty like you. ( I worn green over 30 yrs ago).
Nobody said Nigeria should not go to the G7 banquet, I only commented that after they finish serving food, we should not ask for more and become Olive Twist like.
COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM – So Nigeria cannot do anything about it’s communication system, like initiating and making embarking on a sensible procurement process. ( same problem was experienced in ECOMOG in early days of LIberia Ops). this issue can easily be addressed, If you ask me, the solution is home grown
About the T129, I actually believe you do not know anything about the use and capability of that platform and how it fits in, it is not a communications gadget asset in a sane battle order, the CAS did not what the T129 to serve as you imply, there are ample ISR within the Nigerian air assets that can double as a communication relays.
The two nations you referred China and Russia , do not love Nigeria more than Nigerians, But they delivered when we required items and as of now our national aspirations are not in conflict with them in our region. I can say that is not the same with the west, on the issue of soft skin transport, we need to accelerate the production of the Igirigi for national security/troop vulnerability, financial (cost of importing similar vehicles from outside, with the drop in a national revenue required critical analysis), national pride and the fact that the Igirigi has been on the field and there has been no complains so far.
GMB and is team are smart, they have their focus and a good demonstration of this is the fact that he is funding the Joint force to the tune of $100 M, not going plate in hand or crying to African Union or UN, it may appear as a small action but it has far reaching implications, some grouping in the west are already annoyed. ( Don’t ask me how I know, because I would not give myself away).
We all on this forum agree that BH has to be smashed in short order and the Nigerian Military has to be brought to standards even exceeding the “Shagari era”( Funny your idea of progress is going back to 1970s, While it should be meeting and exceeding levels reached in the 2015s by our contemporaries – The 70 yr old dead turkey quotes – “and exhibits something of the animals’ placidity and want of desire to rise beyond the State he has reached” ), there is a need to apply the lessons learned. If the G7 are asking for our shopping list which they would vet to their own advantage, it would be no strategic to shallow the bait, line, and hook. at the same time we are not saying we should refuse presenting them our own genius requisitions ( The 70 yr old dead A–hole also quotes “In brief, the virtues and defects of this race-type are those of attractive children, whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as to an older and wiser superior and without envy – inferiority complex), the word here is caution and critical strategic consideration, Nothing sold or given to Nigeria would serve as a magic bullet for BH, Quoting the C of Army Staff, he said they “soldiers not the equipment do the fighting”, We have gone past the bad days due to the sheer effort, bravery and demonstrated professionalism of our Military ( Nobody must ever take that away from them). We are not desperate and things appear to have been brought under control. Pls let us all be respectful of each other and by doing so also respect the Officer and gentlemen that set up this blog, it is for National progress.
If my quote about the 70 year offended you ,I am most sincerely , tender my apologies, based on what you have written, we are actually saying the same thing however we are going about it in completely different directions, before I continue to clear up one peception I was born in the 60S, and though my Father did not fight in the 67-70 CIVIL WAR a lot of HIS Childhoo friends did.
Ironically you used the IGIRIGI as an example because to me it represents paradoxically all what is good about Nigeria and the teeth gnashing whaat it bad.
The good
Nigerians can do anything they put their minds to do and get it done
The Bad
By only producing <100 of them even as the IGIRIGI proved itself in battle after battle . I became 100% convinced somebody high up does not want uss to succeed unless it is through procurement or begging, CAPT TOBIAS as God is my witness and OGA HENRY can attests to it I grew frustrated, he grew frustrated, please tell me if my own country does not see the urgency in local produced igirigi what should I do?, moreso when we are in the middle of a war, By now Nigeria should be working on igirigi 3.0 or even 5.0
The communication problem is real i have a friend serving and Soldiers have complained amongsts themselves about it, The Nigerian Soldier minus the deserters are amongsts the finest in the World and rarely do they go public it is real let me leave at that …….. however before I drop the topic ……. Moving the HQ to the NE is the first step to ENDING the war.
Please remove the word desperation and substitue the word Frustration . In the 90s Nigeria transported 20,000 men and Material in one Month to a West african Country and we struggled with Logistics until the arrival of Maj Gen Adeosun,
In the sixties it took us SIXTY DAYS to GET OUR MIGS why are we still struggling to get the JF-17 and SU 27/ 30, Did BEEGEAGLE not Harp on the same FENNECS TWO , THREE years ago this is where i am frustrated do we have to wait forever to get what we need, that seems to be the reality and when i say it people get upset honestly
I deep down whether the plane/ helio come from Russia or America or is even MADE in Nigeria just bring now haba wetin be the excuse this time now.
The T-129 is important to mention and the CAS explicitly implied it by name because the NAF is very FAMILIAR with the AUGUSTA FAMILY And Augusta already have extensive on the ground facilities in Nigeria, that is why it makes sense and cannot be easily discounted,
I will take your comments of air because like oga saleh said this topic has been flogged to death.
my Dear Jimmy, I fully understand, even if we approach things in a different way, I believe and agree that our objectives are the same, We want a very well developed and successful Nigeria for our children and all generation. I do not bear any malice of the west, but at times their egocentricity and “we over them” attitude clouds their vision in relating to us. I stand to learn always and all the time. I do not have or opened any other blog site on the internet, not even face book or any other account. The first time I read through this blog was accidental and I stared in total amazement at the level of technical and other knowledge and confidence of the bloggers (being Nigerians) and since then, they have always been my pride to discuss agree and disagree with the bloggers.
My only strong contact with home is through you guys which I cherish so much. You Oga Jimmy with others will also with all remain my pride, I also apologize if my reply was a bit aggressive, pardon me.
@jimmy: you obviously don’t know alot about Russian mathematicians. If you knew then you would understand why the whole world is courting them. One of my professors actually corrected copies of Grigori Perelman. Right now in france there are lots of Russian and eat european mathematicians who were products of the USSR draconian disciplin and quest for excellence. These ex-soviet mathematicians occupy enviable positions in french universities.
sorry, not “eat europeans”, but “east europeans”
You need to stop spinning theories about the west to defend your emotional problems with the outcome of the elections. The PDP and the ex president have never been anti west even in their wildest imaginations. The APC actually is more left of centre
The PDP have been recipients of a great fortune post Abacha. Thave sat on plastic seats of power created by a western derived ideology – multi party democracy in a free market. They have been nurtured in that environment, look up to it and they are not going against it. I brought this simple example of Jonathan holidaying in a western financial capital to cure your political astigmatism so that you start seeing clearly. The question then for you to answer since you bring this west, west issue is what caused the quarrel between thst government and the west. And i am conceding the fact that Nigeria was not under any embargo from the west, rather it was the Jonathan regime was under a no cooperation sanction. What caused that sanction?. Please use your great mind and “logics” to answer that question.
I think you don’t fully understand that ideas have no nationality. Democracy doesn’t belong to any region or any race or whatsoever. Democracy is an idea. Being a democratic country doesn’t mean that you should be subjected to the west. The west doesn’t own democracy. It rather means that the pwoer belongs to the people, and by the people I mean Nigerians, not westerners. And for the second time on this page, I am not anti-west, I am pro-Nigeria. As for the rest of your comment, i would not respond because I disagree with the prelises of the question.
prelises:=premises
also please try and position your comments in the right place, notice that your comment has nothing to do with the my above comment.
No i am quite sure you know what i am talking about. It is the whole western world version of democracy. I called it “democracy under a free market system”. It is the whole system of the arms of government voted by the people, influenced by business men, cronyism, some monopoly capitalism, billionaires being closer to the politicians than the ordinary folks..all that kind of thing is western political culture. That was what Nigeria inherited with the PDP in the driver seat There is a different version in Iran, very free elections, clean democracy under religious leaders .
The important thing we have established now is that you are pro Nigeria and not anti West. So welcome to adulthood and a clear understanding of what the new government is trying to do.
However if your pro Nigeria is that every thing that comes from the G7 countries (which interestingly included Russia until last year) is always anti Nigeria and that there is no way we can suck all the good from every offer of cooperation then me and you should not be having arguments often.
iran is not a democracy, it is a theocracy. And I have never been anti-western, but rahter I have always been realistic and I knew what the west had planned for us. I am neither pro-west, neither anti-west. I remain pro-Nigeria. And also I think you have difficulties understanding me, perharps it is old age showing itself. Look, it is not abiut the “g7 group” ( no relations to algebra), it is about reliability. It is about the countries whic stabbed us in the back. I am not opposed to buying weapons from those countries if we can sustain those weapons when those countries sanction us again. But I am am against the fact that Buhari seems to want to have our procurement done exclusively with those western countries. It completely defies logics, and it looks like we are rewarding them for backstabbing us.
You still don’t seem to understand that democracy like any idea, carries no passport.
I don’t think you get the idea that whoever is the president of Nigeria, the country remains Nigeria. I do not recognize any such thing as “Jonathan regime being on no cooperation sanction”. The people of the north-east who were being killed were just as much Nigerians as the Nigerians under Buhari regime are Nigerians. I don’t think you actually understand what “sovereignty” stands for.
Listening to you, it feels like we should thank the west for placing us on an embargo (not only refusing to sell weapons to us, but stopping other nations to sell us weapons). So please, if a familly member of mine got killed by boko haram, should I also still see it as the west not sanctionning Nigeria, but only sanctionning GEJ ? It is funny how you sometimes play the card of emotion while other times you show that you actually don’t care for the victims of this bht.
Let me try and educate some of the people who still don’t understand that ideas don’t carry passports: Have you heard of industrial espionage ? Right now top engineering companies around the world are spying on each other to use each other to learn from each other. Also did you know that the rocket technology the USA used to send a man to the moon was developped by a nazi ? Did you know that the atommic bomb was actually a german/nazi project before Albert Einstein (a german jewish) leaked it out to the usa who then developped it ? Did you know about the chinese rest theorem ? Did you know that the digits you use everyday were invented by the arabs, (the west were writing numbers like this “XXI”, which was not a good system). Finally, ideas don’t carry passport, everybody should be encouraged to learn, everybody is entitled to learn and elevate his mind.
I think the english name is “chinese remainder theorem”, in french it is called ” théorème des restes chinois”
Thank you for reminding us of all we already know. I will also tell you why the word “west” is a misnomer. Demographically speaking, the world of science is in the hands of eastern European origin people working in the US and EUrope. Indians do three quarters of all the computer coding in the world working for big IT companies. Most university research in western countries and corporations is done by Asians. I was in a university research lab last weekn in the UK, i had to struggle to understand the poor english spoken by the very brilliant Chinese supervisor of PhD students. The money western bankers are lending to Nigeria would most likely be Chinese, Saudi Arabian, GCC or Indian money. All these conditions make up the general expression called the”west”. You are very right about Arab contribution to science but it is not only ideas that dont have borders, money also increadingly does not. The whole world is becoming the “western world ” and that is not political or geographical expression but a way of doing things. What Nigeria should fo is strategize, pick and choose intelligently in that ecosystem for the good of its people but corruption must die and untidy sentimental behavior.
@igbi
“Did you know that the digits you use everyday were invented by the arabs”
TOTALLY WRONG
IT WAS INVENTED IN ANCIENT INDIA BY THE HINDU SAGES/RISHIS aka OLD WORLD theoretical physicists
STARTING FROM ZERO ONWARDS,
the arab traders came plundered stole learned modified these and passed it on to the europeans
LATER ON IN THE LATE 1800 THE REAL TRUTH CAME OUT.
really igbi i expected better than this from u and u being a mathematician
TOTALLY WRONG
IT WAS INVENTED IN ANCIENT INDIA BY THE HINDU SAGES/RISHIS aka OLD WORLD theoretical physicists
STARTING FROM ZERO ONWARDS,
the arab traders came plundered stole learned modified these and passed it on to the europeans
LATER ON IN THE LATE 1800 THE REAL TRUTH CAME OUT.
really igbi i expected better than this from u and u being a mathematician
sorry double post
Look, I am not a historian. Now you and the arabs can argue between yourselves about who invented the decimal system.
also, who invented the oriental dancing (your women and the arabian women dance the same way). And who invented the scarf. And who invented the bearded style. India and the arabs have a lot in common, and to me it is difficult to know who came up with it.
not only arabian women and indian women dance the same way, they also wear the same clothing for the dance, but seriously answer my questions, please I have been curious of this for a long time now.
by SAGES/RISHIS i meant/included the unknown mathematician/scientist whose identity are not known
one of the famous/known ones was arybhatta
others i dont remember
There is no such thing as western education. There is only education. Science.
Also @lachit, I would like to know if Alexander the great was defeated in India.
I would really like your perspective on this please. I think it is best to ask knowledgeable Indians, because the arabs are not very versed in their own history due to their religious beliefs. And thanks for the info about the decimal system.
@igbi
FORTUNATELY NO ARGUING WITH ARABS REQUIRED AS IT HAS BEEN INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED A FEW YEARS BACK.
from arabic numerical it has changed to hindu- arab numerical and now the new conventions is hindu numerical system.
next 5-10 years the change will be complete
dancing dont know .my guess both ways and maybe some amount of fusion of the two.
” India and the arabs have a lot in common”
WHAT MAN did i read CORRECTLY !!!
MAN WHY DO U MAKE SUCH REVOLUTIONARY STATEMENTS (u r a che-guvera fan)
U been watching too many belly dancing/perfume garden/kamas***** movie made in hollywood where indians are pictured as less indians and more arabs and what not.
INDIA AND ARABS have nothing in common ,maybe a small population due to trading over the ages.they stole our knowldge in astronomy,maths,medicine everything and destroyed unversities like nalanda and other places of learning.but no point in discussing these now it is a thing of the past.
alexander got real hurt by a small kingdom led by its king name porus.
but porus was defeated at a great price.
this lead alexander to rethink on pushing deeper into india where there were more powerfull kingdoms/republics.and his soldiers were tired and wanted to return home and were also fearful of the more powerful kingdoms/republics before them.thats why alexander turned back.technically alexander was never defeated.
a interesting incident which happened between alexander and porus !!!
when defeated porus was presented before alexander in chains
alexander asked porus: “how should i treat u”
porus looked straight into alexander and replied “as a king treats another king”
alexander was so impressed by the reply that he returned porus his kingdom and made him his friend.
i think u slept during ur history classes big time 😀
i slept during math classes 😀
by the way can u name the mother of all martial arts and please back it up with facts?
indo-Arab belly dancers. Finally some excitement. Please let us stay with this this topic. It appears more interesting than all the tearful, “west never loved me like they loved my opponent ” crap
@lachit, the first time I passed in front of the mosc of paris, I thought it were an indian building. Actually each arabian building I have seen in documentaries or which I have visited, looked very much like an indian building. Look, I am not inventing this and I am not referring to hollywood movies, but there are a lot of similarities which someone who is neither indian neither arab can’t help to notice.
I don’t know too much about martial arts history. But my guess would be “chinese boxing”
@igbi
it is Kalaripayattu
Kalaripayattu is a battlefield art believed to be derived from lord Parasurama who started 108 kalari (school’s/gymnasiums) in Kerala
The word kalaripayattu is a combination of two words, namely, ‘kalari’ and ‘payattu’ which mean training ground and fight.
The oldest reference to this martial art is found in the Rigveda and Atharvaveda which itself was composed between 1700–1100 BCE
This ethnic Indian martial art of Kalari Payat (Kalaripayattu) – meaning ‘Battleground’ or ‘Gymnasium’ – (Kalari), ‘Method’ or ‘Art’ – (Payatt), has a special significance for practitioners of the Tibetan and Chinese martial arts.In tradition, the Shaolin Temple martial art of China was introduced by the Indian Buddhist Patriarch and founder of Ch’an’ (Zen) Buddhism; Bodhidharma (450-523 AD).
Wow, feel bad for this thread lol
Mr Lt Col Jimmy for a start, it is demonstration of ” lack of self control” ( As stated in the 70 yrs dead nut case) to be make remarks that border on being insulting to persons you do not really know, other than they make comments from their own perspective, which might defer from yours depending also on what level you operate and access. “Capt Tobias” is a pen name got from a popular musical Character in the 70s (I attended Discos then, bet you were in knickers or not “born yet”), by the way the highest person in my family was a Brigadier General in “conflict times”, and I stand on my own self recognition after 30 yrs being globally active in my area of specialty which includes Military /Civil aviation and others which I would not elaborate, I consult on a global pedestal to western countries via their top Officers mostly Generals ( Not Lt Cols from my family) and a few African Militarys Officers representing their Governments. Without being too load, least I become emotional and haughty like you. ( I worn green over 30 yrs ago).
Nobody said Nigeria should not go to the G7 banquet, I only commented that after they finish serving food, we should not ask for more and become Olive Twist like.
COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM – So Nigeria cannot do anything about it’s communication system, like initiating and making embarking on a sensible procurement process. ( same problem was experienced in ECOMOG in early days of LIberia Ops). this issue can easily be addressed, If you ask me, the solution is home grown
About the T129, I actually believe you do not know anything about the use and capability of that platform and how it fits in, it is not a communications gadget asset in a sane battle order, the CAS did not what the T129 to serve as you imply, there are ample ISR within the Nigerian air assets that can double as a communication relays.
The two nations you referred China and Russia , do not love Nigeria more than Nigerians, But they delivered when we required items and as of now our national aspirations are not in conflict with them in our region. I can say that is not the same with the west, on the issue of soft skin transport, we need to accelerate the production of the Igirigi for national security/troop vulnerability, financial (cost of importing similar vehicles from outside, with the drop in a national revenue required critical analysis), national pride and the fact that the Igirigi has been on the field and there has been no complains so far.
GMB and is team are smart, they have their focus and a good demonstration of this is the fact that he is funding the Joint force to the tune of $100 M, not going plate in hand or crying to African Union or UN, it may appear as a small action but it has far reaching implications, some grouping in the west are already annoyed. ( Don’t ask me how I know, because I would not give myself away).
We all on this forum agree that BH has to be smashed in short order and the Nigerian Military has to be brought to standards even exceeding the “Shagari era”( Funny your idea of progress is going back to 1970s, While it should be meeting and exceeding levels reached in the 2015s by our contemporaries – The 70 yr old dead turkey quotes – “and exhibits something of the animals’ placidity and want of desire to rise beyond the State he has reached” ), there is a need to apply the lessons learned. If the G7 are asking for our shopping list which they would vet to their own advantage, it would be no strategic to shallow the bait, line, and hook. at the same time we are not saying we should refuse presenting them our own genius requisitions ( The 70 yr old dead A–hole also quotes “In brief, the virtues and defects of this race-type are those of attractive children, whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as to an older and wiser superior and without envy – inferiority complex), the word here is caution and critical strategic consideration, Nothing sold or given to Nigeria would serve as a magic bullet for BH, Quoting the C of Army Staff, he said they “soldiers not the equipment do the fighting”, We have gone past the bad days due to the sheer effort, bravery and demonstrated professionalism of our Military ( Nobody must ever take that away from them). We are not desperate and things appear to have been brought under control. Pls let us all be respectful of each other and by doing so also respect the Officer and gentlemen that set up this blog, it is for National progress.
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I apologize about the typos – Without being too Loud, Serving the Food.
@all
just of of curiosity i wanted to ask
what network does nigerian military uses for its communications
GSM or CDMA ?
Classified
@are james
well i am kind of surprised that the info is classified.
because it is just a standard for protocols followed for cellular commonality worldwide.
since encryption will be imlemented in the end to end configuration,with the encryption keys with accredited & authorized personnels,therefore there is no need to maintain ambiguity over the standards being followed.
i believe the civilian GSM network is being used with some of the available spectrum reserved for the defence needs.much like a VPN
CDMA compared to GSM is much more secure since it eliminates off the air snooping or atleast makes the job of interception and decoding much harder.
are there civilian CDMA based networks in nigeria.?
Buhari, or should I say Nigerian government going to the G7 is a sign of rapprochement with the West. Nigeria is in a difficult place at the moment, and we need all the assistance we could get. By asking Nigeria to supply them (the West) with a wish list, it doesn’t mean the west is asking us to simply make a wish of what we need to fight Boko Haram. From all indications, the west is asking for two things: a list of the basic hardware and personnel training/skills we need to fight Boko Haram more effectively. Secondly, the west may also be asking us to supply them a shopping list of hardware and weapons systems that we wish to purchase from them. So we shouldn’t get carried away about ‘a wish list request’, it is simply a direct government to government negotiation to sell to us directly some of the hardware and weapons systems we need. What the G7 asked Nigeria, as per wish list. is exactly what the Russian ambassador to Nigeria stated sometime last year that the Nigerian government should request from Russia what it needs in the fight against terrorism. That request eventually led to the 1 billion dollar weapons loan the GEJ administration got from Russia. I think the current government is following the same step but this time the request came from the west.
If the government handles this wish list thing well, we may get some of the fringe hardware systems and weapons platforms the last government tried to acquire from the west. In all, whatever comes out of the wish list thing will cost us some of our pride, and of course financially, and in addition to some favour in return to the west. That is what international political economics is all about, you have to bring something to the table if you must get something in return. In international relations, there are no permanent friends or enemies (Egypt and Israel). Since the Syria war started, Israel has been conducting medvac operations on the other side of its border with Syria treating mainly Syrian Islamist rebels, civilians and occasionally Syrian soldiers, even with a dedicated hospital. Nigeria needs every assistance it could get in this conflict, and with the government struggling financially, what could go wrong in accepting help when we need it most?
Anybody that does things that costs their nation some pride has an inferiority complex, sir.
It is an abomination for a nation to lose pride for a “wish list.”
Yes, there is truth in your argument sir. However, a man whose house is on fire barely has any pride left. Nigeria’s pride is presently in tatters. With Boko Haram conducting a large scale genocide in the NE exploiting the limited capacity of the armed forces due to years of wholesale neglect by various administrations; the international dimension of the conflict, and Nigeria’s unusual joint military campaign with smaller neighbours to battle the terrorists, I dare say it is now a battle of survival for Nigeria and pride is not the first thing on the menu. This is the bitter truth and we have to be realistic about it.
Wish list or no wish list, every practical help in stablising the situation and bring the conflict to an end is paramount. I’m afraid to say this is where we are at the moment, a nation that refuses to plan ahead and use its resources wisely should never complain when it is forced to beg for help from others who are smart enough to get things done the right way. The huge funds wasted by Nigerian government officials in the last 20 years could have helped Nigeria build a modern military force, equip the police, repair infrastracture, fix education and health and build up the national reserve. Algeria came out of more than a decade long Islamists driven civil war with a national reserve in excess of USD 100 billion. Now compare this to Nigeria and you see why as country we shouldnt even talk about pride because we destroyed any pride we had ourselves.
Nigeria did not beg the G-7 for anything, and the so called 5 billion USD MNJTF injection is not necessarily coming to the Nigerian military. Indeed the only places where I have seen this reports are Nigerian newspapers, so I am taking all this with a pinch of salt at the moment
That is correct Nigeria did not beg the G-7 for anything , however these are the current facts:
1.The G-7 in the form of the British PM did plead with Nigeria to submit a wishlist
2.The US has officially requested the Nigerian govt to requests assistance
3. The continued unabated spate of one off bombings that is ongoing implies a lack of SUBSTANTIVE HUMIT a fact that all the Intel Services
4 Nigeria needs more equipment in terms of intel namely but not limited to
A.ISR PLANES/HELIOS
B.Troop carrying helios
Troop carrying APCs and i do not mean Toyota hiluxes
C. Enhanced communication equipment not just Radios
D. *Classified* for the SF Operators the SAS of Britain have it.
E. The Army Aviation unit as well as the NAF based on what the CAS HAS SIAD NEED ENHANCED NETWORK communication infarastructure.
Nigeria also needs to swallow her pride and either contact their Navy Brethren or follow through with the proposed training development plan with the BRITISH IN TERMS of A STRATEGIC development plan. The NAVY’S plan is so straightforward and they are well on their way
Having said that, Mali just signed a deal for the Super Tuscano counter insurgency aircraft