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25 June 2015
The Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Lt. General Kenneth Minimah has charged Nigerian Army student pilots to be ready to work and live with troops wherever operational exigency demands without any thought of leaving their chosen line of flying combat helicopters.
According to a statement, the COAS gave the charge while addressing student pilots undergoing helicopter flying training at the International Helicopter Flying School, Enugu.
In his words “You should all be ready to at all times live and work with troops wherever operational exigency demands.You should also banish all thoughts of leaving your chosen line of flying combat helicopters. The Nigerian Army will not train you and afterwards allow you to branch out to other arms or services on flimsy excuses.”
Speaking during his assessment visit to the 10 Nigerian Army student officers at the School, the COAS stated that he was pleased to hear that the students were doing well and encouraged them to put in their utmost best in all written and practical aspects of the course to ensure their graduation. He informed the students that they will form the nucleus of the newly established Nigerian Army Aviation Wing.
The COAS further revealed that the Nigerian Army established its Aviation Wing to complement the Nigerian Air Force based on the experiences gathered fighting terrorists in the North Eastern region where gaps in air support leading to reverses brought to fore the need for combat helicopters to provide intimate support to troops.This means apart from support from the Nigerian Air Force, the Nigerian Army will have its own air support element that will always be with the ground troops and readily provide air support whenever required.
The COAS informed the students that the Army will ensure their accommodation, hangar and all necessary facilities are put in place before their graduation. He also expressed the resolve of the Nigerian Army in ensuring that the Service gets the issue of establishing the Army Aviation Wing right as opposed to several
failed attempts in the past.
The COAS was accompanied by the General Officer Commanding
82 Division Major General Shehu Yusuf and the Chief of Staff to the COAS Brigadier General Solomon Udounwa. He was received by the Air Secretary Air Vice Marshal CN Chukwu, the Commander 305 Helicopter Group, Air Commodore I Yahaya and the Rector, International Helicopter Flying School, Group Captain Ayo
Jolasinmi.
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Current thrust of efforts would seem to be on rotary wing ground attack and transport. Long term we should locate all CAS capabilities within the army. The airforce in the modern world is becoming a force that is reserved for foreign power projection without ground involvement and ours should be reserved as such. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and Algeria all have these capabilities aplenty in their airforces and have put them to use recently. These are third world countries like us.
Nice to see that the army aviation wing is established. Fellow Nigerians take care. Always remember that you are a Nigerian before anything else. Nomatter your tribes you are brothers. We have to build this country and make it great. We have to believe in ourselves. We have to defend our country because no one else will do all this for us. My patience is running out, I have got other groups to attend and I have got other things to do. I spent quite some time here, I hope I was able to insire some people into doing some positive things for Nigeria. I also hope I was able to help some people love their country and see that where there is a problem, there is also a solution. I believe in a sovereign Nigeria. And my inspiration in this is Patrice Lumumba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChbGqeAPPYo
So to those who will never bow down to foreign interests, I salute you. Nigeria must stand tall among nations. To Nigerian troops: thank you for making us proud. And I would like to repeat your slogan: NEVER AGAIN ! So Nigerian armed forces, keep making us proud. So to the patriots whom I respect and to the haters, the parlour is yours.
P.S: For those who don’t know the story of Lumumba, you can watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UkAFGecf-E.
What happened to the original 40 or so pilots and tecnicians allegedly trained by the Army a couple or so years ago? Were they allowed to branch off and change direction because of the late take-off of the aviation wing?
Would be a waste if they were trained and have not been brought back into the fold.
Age is not on their side. Most were trained in basic flying. Being redundant for almost two decades makes virtually useless the skills they acquired then. Moreover, they are already senior officers past the age of active combat flying. Thanks to the inability of previous COAS to pursue the actualization of the long overdue army aviation wing
meant “no thanks”
OK, my comment has been refused 5 times. I was trying to say good bye. If this one goes through then I will consider it done.
Lol. This guy is a clown! 😀
Why we allow a guy with obvious psychological baggage on this blog is beyond me.
@Nnamdi, you are wicked lol
lol,
igbi don come again.
That will be the 10th goodbye.
Abeg, igbi leave that matter…
See u next week
Oga rugged LWKMD
I would like to COMMEND the COAS , the Army Hierarchy, and the out-gone GEJ administration better late than never but the ARMY Aviation Wing is something that is long overdue but nevertheless better late than never it has been confirmed ESTABLISHED.
No more them , them say it is here now they have to provide the pre requisite infra structure and we can move on from there job well done.
This is good news! An official confirmation of the air wing of the NA! Thanks Sir Beegs for bringing us the news 🙂 I hope the NA will train at least 2 squadrons to start with. I also hope they would be well equiped and their helos are also ready by the time their training is completed, as promised by the COAS. If not, these few would be overworked.
This is how to start a day, Good news. The Nigerian Army Air Corp is long overdue and long delayed. We should have had this corp running a long time ago.
If the Airforce goes through with the deal to get T-129s, NAF MI-35 Helicopters can gradually be transferred to the N.A to complement the Gazelle Helicopters. The effectiveness of the 72 MSF of the Army with it’s dedicated air support showed why a Air Arm for the Army was imperative.
Way to go!
just wondering if nigerian navy would be interested in brahmos (or mini brahmos when it comes online) armed OPV (off shore patrol vessel).
this is picture of a model of brahmos armed missile boat displat at MAKS arms show
with manpads for air defence
also 2 dual rapid fire air defence guns mounted at the stern portion for surface and air target engagement
also forgot to mention the missile boat model was displayed by the russians.they were offering it to vietnam, but vietnam already has similiar ships armed with urans and wanted a longer endurance ships to venture in to south china sea. later they selected a western design (sweden ?)which i think was under armed (i cant recall exactly though the details).
sorry for being off topic
That looks wicked and quite awesome
this is good news, finally the army is bringing its aviation wing on board. this wing has been in the pipeline since the 80s. thankfully, willpower has prevailed.
@oga henry, i dont support NAF relinquishing the MI-35s copters. these are heavy gunships, and as such, should remain under air force control. no need for a new turf war.
the army aviation wing should only be armed with light attack, light utility, and light observation helicopters. the medium utility copters and heavy gunships should continue in NAF orbat. the army can add UAVs and UCAVs to complement their fleet.
welldone marshal beegs
What about slow light anti armour fixed wing aircraft like Scorpions, A-10s, Tucanos and even surveillance aircraft UAVs , the slow Diamond aircraft and even the Beechcraft ISR planes – I would like to see them in the army aviation as well.
The NAF should be a very long range strategic operator on the attack side and a high tech operator on the air defence and SAM side. That way we can ring fence funds adequately to buy the aircraft and train the pilots. What is required to start for the new NAF is less than $250million. Just six aircraft a year for five years and we are there.
Why are these guys dressed in orange? Why make these gentle men look like POWs? 🙂
Sorry to digress, on a serious note now, I saw the video on Abiyamo’s fb page that someone earlier mentioned in a different post. Sorry to say, but I think the NA deserves better. There is no reason why the army cannot permanently station some boats on the Lake Chad axis. At least, we have amphibious brigades and those guys would have boats that can operate in that kind of terrain. We’re not certain everyone of those soldiers even know how to swim and the way the wooden boats of locals are quite unreliable, the risk of a capsize should be considered! Besides, the boats make those soldiers sitting ducks on the water in case BH guys with RPGs are encountered.
Our soldiers deserve better, really! transportation is key to military operations and we need to get that right!
I love these guys mehn!!!.
As for transport, those are Indian Tata, Chinese or Russian tank transporters. The trailers and Hilux vehicles are just unfortunate. Now if you watch the clip with pencil and paper and let your mind do a quick objective assessment, the following things leap out;
1. Transportation is key
2. Due to (1) maintenance is key.
3. Due to (2) maintenance and fuel costs are beginning to impact on the operational budget. Note the not too pleasant sound of the T 72s and the fact that we had to result to open trailers. It is probably due to rising breakdowns.
4. Morale is high at the coal face but of course we should continue to pressure the leadership to do things right.
That guy should be a comedian lol. But hey, way to go to lighten the mood, that was awesome. ” Forward ever, backward never”. Good one lol
I think I agree with Henry’s previous post. Our military is very much below minimum requirements. Without prior knowledge that this video is of Nigerian troops, one could easily assume we are seeing Somali or Mauritanian army movements. So much for the billions projected in yearly defense budgets.
@Deeway. We are long way from modernization, aren’t we. Oh well, we shall get there someday. Unfortunately some leaders do wait for tragedy to strike before waking up from their nap
Wow!! We Essentially moving troops trained at great expense whose lives are invaluable in d kinda lorries used to Bring Cows to Lagos. This aint good.
i tend to agree that CAS should be mostly within the NA after all its their men that require the CAS. Also they would need some fixed winged assets too. on a lighter note….this Orange Garb shaaa………….too many movies for me i guess
Those orange ‘alls got me reacting the same way. They have a reason for that though…I think.
As for the army air wing, set them up with the gazelles and 109s. The hinds and hips should go next.
However, if the 129s get through, let that be airforce stuff along with all fix wing type
On anor note, an integrated maintenance facility should be in place and running with mid term view to upgrades and long term…design. Partnering with Mil, Agusta etc shouldn’t be too difficult.
a strong projective move ,well overdue.just like stated we are finally moving away from the holdup mentality acquired due to consistent neighborly comparison ,now we are planning our orbat the way it should be a good start.
me think for now that the new Army airwing should first utilize Light CAS assets(gazelles,heuy and Mi-17 etc) and surveillance assets for starts before graduating into heavy gunships for now i think if the t-129 are inbound they should be an exclusive preserve of the Airforce as the NAAW boys will have to graduate into it.The Mi heavy gunships also should remain with NAF with at least 1 or 2 transfers for evaluation and familiarity purposes but will eventually be handed over to NAAW.
with this step the Airforce will gradually now focus on its core objective of Total Aerial defence with mild or supporting Emphasis on CAS except In Heavy Conflict situations and special instance of incapability.
Although i would wish that our surveillance Assets be handed over to this new formation i believe that cost may be an issue and will be an issue in the short term hence until this formation stabilizes and NAF acquire at least one AWACS then will can hand over Surveillance assets in bits.
Right now i think NAF chief and NA top brass should have a tat a tet on operational differences and modalities to avoid perceived Rivalry that is always a case with branches..
Now i ask myself we are here screaming about 4G airframes for NAF, what about the almost non existent IADS( integrated Air defense system) structure in our nation today.
do our most prices Airbases Have SAM systems both static and mobile,
Air defense units of NA are capable to what extent, what local capabilities and inputs have we placed to modify or better our situation slightly .
What is our layers of air defense
Even if we buy a whole squadron of Sukhois what do we have in place to ensure they achieve maximum Scramble time to intercept targets by way of adequate radar coverage.
As we clamor for our upgrades let us put this in perspective , let us talk about it much as we talk about our beliefs for NAF.little by little we will get there
Our over reliance of helicopter gunships as the primary strike asset of the NAF is what has kept it moribound I would say. Helicopters should be handed over to the army, it’s slow speed and mobility makes it perfect for land operations. Remove the helicopters and we see that Nigeria’s primary aerial asset is the Strike Alpha’s the the F-7, needless to say this is blunt, it will force the NAF to aquire real strike assets and be more accountable. Nigeria was much poorer when she flew Jaguars complete with missile suites back in the mid 80’s, iam yet to understand the hold up with NAF on a 4th Gen strike fighter.
I have a problem with the possible 40 helicopters on order and almost zero confirmed orders for fixed wing combat aircraft. This indicates that internal security seems to be the only focus now that Niger, Chad and Cameroon are now fighting Boko more stridently . However what if they turn to become the new enemies?. Even if that remain friends, what if they ask for our help in that capability area of bombing some new camps on their soil? . What about security in the gulf of guinea?.
The flip side is that rotary-wing – army/ fixed-wing airforce may not be the way to go. They key is in roles properly defined. Like I like to say, what, to what purpose, how, when? Starting out with these keeps u focused and most likely successful.
The army can have the mils (hip and hinds) for assault and attack! The airforce should also have heavies like Halos if we think we should for both tactical and strategic mobility while grabbing CAS/Strike assets (eg frogfoot/fullback) for serious mud eating. Of course it air control role is taken 4 granted
The navy should have her air wing get serious on it turf…ASW,MR,anti-shipping, rescue etc with the Airforce and army supporting
A special airforce regiment should also be set up to support a unified specops command. This unit should at least have assault asset and perhaps attack asset and hot insert and extraction should be it prerogative…pilot rescue, amongst other things.
Everyone should have recon and surveillance according to need from the army squad with their quadcopter or hand launch drone to division’s assets to airforce AWACS, SATs and HALO drones.
2 things would guide these, properly defined roles and secondly, inter-co operations. Rivalry should never be a weapon pointed at our head
The order of battle would specify which arm, does what in a particular engagement. This would not necessary be defined by platform type but more from required functions and capability acquired through purposeful training, experience and focus.
The Nigerian army’s core role should be strictly light Air Mobile /support unit and it’s utilization of all the associated and accompanying capabilities, There must be the ability to respond quickly within it’s area of deployment or assigned operation, relying on initially on it’s own air assets to achieve a successful tactical deployment and also have available viable support for it’s ground deployment by providing ability to carry out precise tactical combat interdictions, light CAP strikes, provide immediate armed aerial escort to cover high risk troop movement such as pursing retreating enemy forces. Close strike in support of the air mobile elements, Combat MEDEVAC/CASEVAC , SAR, and the all important RECCE and armed escort to ground for high value assets ( Ambush presentation and advance securing action of potential hostile/ enemy ambush locations along the route of deployment ,etc ).
The NA should focus on flying the Gazzelle ( Light Armed /Recce Platform) for the moment, operating in both the light armed role and recce strictly supporting the ground ops, having interacted with a lot of platforms , the requirement in flight experience in hours to safely and effectively fly the MI-171 (which is by weight and function is classified as Medium Utility Helicopter/tactical options in the Shs variant ) will take some years before it is effectively operated and handled by the Army air wing. The training of the Army wings are focused mostly on “ air to ground” tactics ( it will be a waste of time by duplicating core training more in “air to air” aerial engagement, the skills required for most Army pilots is strong visual flying under VFR both day and Night, also the use of NVG to enhance this type of flying (Nap to ground flying skills). The Army must not lose focus on it’s very very crucial ground fighting skills.
The Air force is the new decisive arm of combat, you take the air, with an effective army the land would follow. The Mi24/35 ( defined really as a Tactical/Attack helicopter, ability transport special forces units for insertion and extraction differentiates the “Hind” from all other attack RW), AS332 (Super Pumas Medium Utility Helicopter with maritime Missile platform delivery capability ), should be left to the Air-force, they have acquired, through their history the necessary competence to continue to be the long range artillery of the Military by being able to deliver ordinance at far targets and with adequate ordnance loads. They would natural provide heavy lift (tactical and strategic functions) and receive trained for such ( the transport pilots have their own strategic and tactical applications. The T129 is a dedicated attack helicopter and has capability close to the Apaches ( though cheaper to operate and in the light helicopter category easy to fly / handle and forgiving because of it’s high power to weight ratio for high energy manoeuvre , but would need a serious understanding to operate the integrated weapons systems. The fixed wing air combat assets are manned by experienced pilots in most Global Air forces . They would be one of the first to fight across our borders and their training and resources (Budget, acquisitions, selection process) are directed and prioritized to improving and maintaining their fighting skill. Even within the AF the training requirements for a Fast Jet Pilots ( high altitude engagement, high G tolerance manoeuvres, always looking for the 6 O Clock)is different from a ground strike pilot s ( Master of low level handling and nap to earth navigation, training for one pass strikes). In short they all look the same in the air but the most sensitive equipment in these platforms (the Crews) are orientated differently. Everything here is tied to Finances generated by the country (Civilian Economics) which in turn would fund the military and also the Military would in turn guarantee a conducive and peaceful environment for the Civilian’s business to Thrive.
We must continue to improve the synergy between the Military and the People to achieve our destined greatness. This continues to be the most strategic secret weapon and advantage the western nations have over all other Nations.
Sorry for the typos
http://odili.net/news/source/2015/jun/26/856.html
Unrelated: This is the First DEAL SIGNED by A UK firm that is the Equivalent of $250m
The applications of these Satellite imagery will include OIL INSTALLATION surveillance,
as well as UNSPECIFIED Military Applications, it is hoped this deal will not be shrouded in Secrecy and Nigerians actually get to see what the “spooks” are looking at LOL! 🙂
Thought we have satellites that could monitor those same things i just read. oh well
nvm, just read the whole thing lol, was in a rush going somewhere
@ Sir Kay,what the UK firm is offering is Sythentic Aperture Radar(SAR) satellite(s) that can penetrate the thick cloud cover in the South-South region, it can take images both day/night.
Good investment NASRDA.
@ Sir Kay,what the UK firm is offering is Sythentic Aperture Radar(SAR) satellite(s) that can penetrate the thick cloud cover in the South-South region, it can take images both day/night.
Good investment by NASRDA.
Awesome
The establishment of the NA Air Wing is a good development,however, it would be wrong to suggest that the NAF should transfer her Mi-35 Hind attack helicopters to the NA.
The NA will only operate light attack scout helicopters while the dedicated and heavy attack helicopters as well the Mi-171 transport/attack helicopters will still operated by the NAF.
Most on of the cyber generals don’t know why all our Bo-155 choppers were ground as well as our Jaguar jets.
Interservice rivalry between the NA and NAF,with the NA generals as our pass heads of governments, the NA wanted to play all roles of the other armed services,they wanted to be the armed forces, with the NN and the NAF playing a small role.
That was the mind set of must NA generals, even though the NA is a good organization, its past leadership was not.
Find out why a lot of our service personnel paid the supreme price in ECOMOG operations in Liberia and Sierra Leon.
In the recent past, we recorded higher casualties in Darfu and back home,it is still happening.
My Bro, there used to be a NAF car sticker then in the early 80s, which says even the ” Even the Birds are Jealous”
Before the Chibok Girls abduction, no body took the NAF seriously in the counterinsurgency operations in the NE.After the attack on Maiduguri NAF base, Chibok abduction,mass dissertation by troops, the worst national embarrassment,then the frenzy to acquire additional platforms, tokunbo for that matter,the old-school strategic thinking still in place.
The three armed services have their respective roles to play in the DEFENCE of NIGERIA when the need arises.
Our political and military policy makers should fund the armed forces adequately with more emphasis on capital expenditure being higher than recurrent expenditure in the budgeting for the defence sector.
Acquisition of brand-new platforms f or the three armed services on a yearly basis for 5-10 years will put the Nigerian armed forces nearly if not close to its optimum readiness.
Close air support(CAS)- a dedicated fixed wing and helicopter, I.e T-129 ATAK and SU-25 bomber.While armed gazelle, Hues and Z-9 choppers should be acquired for the NA.
Good development..Long overdue, if you ask me..The NAF should transfer all Mi-24 and Mi-35 gunships in her possession to the N.A air wing..The Pumas should go too..This will enable these needed assets to be deployed directly from FOBs to provide needed air support.. The NAF’s performance in the current CT-COIN campaign has been woeful. Terrorists roaming in convoys unchallenged is disgraceful. The NAF leadership needs an overhaul.. So myopic and short-sighted.
@Tobey,that is because the is still not being funded properly,you don’t expect the personnel to urinate inside the tanks of the helicopters, or Alpha and F-7 fighter jets, and same for spare parts.
We don’t manufacture spare parts in Nigeria, it purchased with hard currency in the international market.
The Nigerian military establishment is still pretty young both in terms of age and use of certain types. Thus without trying to monkey anyone, a cursory look at the development and common practices 2day of army aviation particularly (and combat aviation across the spectrum generally) will show that’s the why’s of some of this issues have been long settled. No point ‘deinventing’ the wheel.
Then again, if the airforce were to induct say flankers and fullbacks, amongst other relevant platforms, they wouldn’t mind letting the copters go. However, taking the copters away will leave them un engaged and worse, irrelevant. So we end up with a super army but we take away the force from our air component.
Just like Capt has said, its start with what u expect from these forces, why and what will help them achieve these objectives. However, like I have always asked, what do we really want to become, why, how and when? This are political questions and we will not get far without attempting them
@ Ifiok,
That’s your conjecture looks to me like a positive development.
If NA becomes superstrong by creating an air wing with combat support , surveillance and medivac helicopters, then NAF must upgrade roles to include;
1. More helicopter surveillance, and combat support abilities to complement NA as required or take on lone missiona as might be suitable.
2. Repository of ground attack planes, and fighter jets.
3. Take over command supervisory role for NASDRA and by such, be in charge of commissioning , operation and planning of sattelites in the orbit.
4. Take over command of integrated long and medium range air defence system for the nation. While the NA handles the short range air defence systems.
5. Training, research , (re)certification and indoctrination of all air wings across boards.
6. Command centre of National Emergency Bureau.
I believe these duties will be more than enough to keep the NAF busy and relevant without feeling the loss of action with transfer of some functions to NA.
@ Nnamdi,you sound like pro NA filled with the thinking of superiority complex.
We have to be very careful on this issue.
well done oga capt, great read and brilliant piece. the armed forces is slowing turning the wheels of change, and letting go, their old stagnant practices. we would soon get 4G multi role platforms for NAF and missile armed vessels for the navy. our strategic vision is what counts now
Only JF17 appears likely now. Maybe a squadron can be justified. I wish to advocate a closer defence relationship with India as well. They have started buying our oil like crazy based on heavy discounts we are giving- most of it spot market selling, no contracts . Indians have some really good engineers and their approach to technol9gy is fundamental. They can however transfer Russian military technology to us faster than we can get it from the Ruskies . Their economy is good now and they are an almost unbelievable 1.250 bn people.
Thank you Capt.
OGA AREJAMES
Much respect for your comments, I want to look at it from a different angle, much as INDIA is buying our oil it in HINDSIGHT will be a very good thing if Nigeria moves a way from being dependent for 80% of our Foreign EXCHANGE earnings on OIL .Nigeria was never going to diversify her economy for the betterment of her economy till CRUNCH TIME REACH well it is here, the Economy needs to be diversified into what i call the six fingered approach
1) Banking :Due to its sheer population size and the bulk of Nigerians keeping their money in Banks .Nigeria stands to be the Banking Capital of Africa
2) Real Estate: Enough siad
3) Nollywood, :F.G. and State Govts need to team up with respectable Film making corps with tax credits and incentives to enable them to Export their films abroad as well as cut down on piracy
4) AGRICULTURE: The cash cow that Nigerians still to a large scale fail to realize how profitable it is.
5) Military industrial Complex :Joint venture with South African Firms can yeild products that can be built in house and make Nigeria less dependent on procurement from either the EAST OR WEST
6) Power Transmission/ Distribution PRIVATIZE THIS and Nigeria will have uninterrupted 24 hour power supply.
7) Manufacturing base.THE F.G. AND STATE GOVT NEED as a matter of urgency to encourage more countries to invest a manufacturing base in Nigeria. FDI is expected to decline this year unless the current administration can encourage and attract more investment, the mono rail that was presented by China to PMB is a starting block.
I deliberately did not put oil there because it’s days as being the top money earner for Nigeria are fast declining. Nigeria needs to move on .
Let us not be naive and mistake trade for friendship. Trade is what it is, India buys our oil because they need to. Like you pointed out with 1.2 billion people they need all the oil they can get. China at this moment is busy hoarding cheap oil., we cannot rely on our relationship with India to modernise our armed forceso, neither do we have to solicit for transfer of Russian technology as we will not need it and we do not have the capacity to reverse engineer technology, even China is still having a hard time reverse engineering Russian engines (their metallurgy is flawed).Nigeria as a nation “should” has no external threat. The closest to something you can call threat is Chad. Put aside COIN OPERATIONS Nigeria’s military dwarfes those of the next 16 countries combined in termsome of personnel and % 40 in tems of defence spending. Chad has about 6 MIGS and 2 SU-24 yet it’s still a helicopter airforce because they have neither the pilots or the weapons suites.Cameron has just 5 Alpha jet to protect the entire country. We are not a country in an arms race with anyone…In a paradoxical twist however our being sorounded by weaker small states is what has led to the decline or our military industial complex.
What Nigeria really need is 2 squadrons of any fighter jet, even 2 dozen alpha’s will be more than an overkill in the region. In the absence of a credible air defense threat Nigeria needs more short range tactical missile system and MANPADS. Mean while before any th8ng of such can commence we need to defeat book harm I it’s entirety. Forget about the hardline posturing no body fears the Nigerian military than Idris Derby. It is in Chad best interest to see Nigeria destabilised, a destabilised power cannot weird it’s influence, this is why Derby will continue supplying boko harassment with money, weapons and inteligence. Nigeria will not be stupid former, someday something will just have to give.
Still the same fighter jet conversation.
Angola is getting its SU-30’s this year