Mi-171Sh Terminator Assault helicopter
RUSSIA
R: Nigeria 3 Mi-35P/Hind-F combat helicopter 2012 (possibly ex-Russian);
6 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter 2012
Mi-171Sh armed version
http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/html/export_trade_register.php
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Le General, please how do we assess the link you put up?
wow. this is a real heart stopper!! let this be true, please NAF. increase capability and make the armed forces real great.
kudos the top brass, slowly coming on board (y)
Gen Beeg…is this for real?
WELL DONE, FG 🙂
Thanks for listening to our well-meaning voices of reason. Next, the surplus Su-27s to guard our flanks and to project power and the 4G Hongdu L15 Falcon.
Cybergenerals of Nigeria, I salute you. I want to believe that a new dawn is upon us and we shall not WAVER in our advocacy…never, NEVER. Check around and see – NA, NN, NAF, the Nigeria Police(gaining an unprecendented seven large Bell helicopters since August 2012 and the cascade of Pitbull and Cougar Mk.II APCs and Springbuck MRAPs) and the Nigeria Customs Service(one Citation CJ4, two helicopters, two 24 metre patrol craft and 400+150 Toyota Hilux vans since last April plus the resuscitation of 55 of their 60 patrol boats)
We shall comeback to dwell extensively on this. I KNOW that these Frogfoot jets represent a start-up haul and that in this financial year, we can expect to have orders for six more units. We might be working towards a COUNTERINSURGENCY AIR SQUADRON which could have eight Su-25 Frogfoot and four upgraded Alpha Jet by 2014.
Thank God that they have conquered the fear of acquiring jets from surplus stocks which was why we got into that mishap that was new F7s. That F7 agenda was the blackest night in the history of NAF acquisitions.
Imagine if we had spent that US$251m on
twelve surplus Su-27s
eight Su-25 Frogfoot
four Mi-24V attack helicopters
and for the heck of logging the flight hours which supposedly inspired the acquisition of the F7s,
six MiG 21-2000s?
All of that on a US$251 miilion budget.
Better late than never. Sample the Sukhoi Su-25s and reach out for more plus our Su-27.
In the years to come, we shall see a lot of joint CTCOIN action with Mali, Niger and Chad. Within 200 miles of the battle area, we strike with Frogfoot jets. When the target is distant – such as in the hills around Kidal in NE Mali, in northern Chad or northern Niger, we take off direct from MDGR or SOK and take care of business in our collective neighbourhood security interest.
Naija wan get Frogfoot?
Ha, you people want me to start singing in public?
But what is this 2 business? Isn’t better to get 8 at once and build the capability.
You can see that our ground support elements know what they are talking about. Best news out of Naija for a while
AWOL Peccavi….are u beck(sic)?
True talk @peccavi how far with the long silence….we’ve missed your detailed updates on Mali. Any word about activities and how are boys are doing there?
I dey oh peoples, just tied up with other stuff right now.
Mali is very interesting but not written up a sitrep just yet but info on the Franco/ Chadian op in the mountains is quite hard to get in English but its fascinating
For God sake, re we going to shout uhuru or be sober with this worm like acquisitions, i was full of joy but yet y buying things as if we re experimenting the variability of defence hardwares. Now is the time to acquire more without the world or our nbor raising eyebrows. Acquire 24 Mi 35, and get the last 10 assembled here with AFIT representatives on grd. Same applies to fighters and airlift planes. FG this secrecy of procurement of course gives the future enemy so much headache but in turn, slows down the required turn around the nig defence needs now.
For the su 25, i guess we have more on order aldo overhauled. Countries buy 1 or 2 to transfer the required tech/expertise to produce own copy. Interestingly, we do not own SU 25 nor are we copying it so y buying 2. Fortunately, some of us would say ‘THANK GOD AT LEAST’. Oga beeg, i guess u will clear dis up. D word Surplus means…..
Beags and other Cyber worriors! I don’t want to burst bubbles. But as someone on the ground, i have only news about the sale of the 2 frogfoot jets to NIGER! I have the news and pictures both from Ukrainian and French sites. http://bmpd.livejournal.com/469054.html and secret-difa3.blogspot.fr They are both in full Nigeriene airforce colours! Beag, i hope your contact is not falling into the same confusion trap of mistaking Niger for Nigeria!
Sorry, here’s the second link in french. http://secret-difa3.blogspot.fr/2013/02/exclusif-le-niger-achete-deux-su25.html
Sorry for the mix up in my ogin. It’s me Obix!
For REAL, OptimusPrime007. They and everyone else might have failed to capture the acquisition of Alvis Spartan APCs, Type 90 35mm AA guns and 70mm SBAT 70 MRLs but SIPRI have traditionally done much better on detailing acquisitions from the CIS (particularly Russia-Ukraine-Belarus) with African countries – Sudan, Chad, Ethiopia etc. Confirm that.
Will show you a list of the acquisitions from that orbit listed for Nigeria before now, later today..upgraded MT-LB and BTR-70 APCs, BTR-3 IFVs, Mi-24V/Mi-34 Hermit/Mi-35P/Mi-171Sh Terminator..all from Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Russia
Again, there are SIPRI chaps on here and they are welcome to reach me backstage
beegeaglesblog@ovi.com
Also, do check out our thread, “CHAD ARE ARMING UP” and see for yourself.
Anyway, where is BossJoe to rummage through the UN Register of Conventional Arms Transfers for us? He’s good at doing that.
Niger and Nigeria, SIPRI have not yet mixed up. All the CIS acquisitions by Nigeria which we have seen thus far, exist in the inventory.
Ok Beag! I hope someone from SIPRI can clear up this !
Yessir !! Oga peccavi, the best news in quite a while.
I feel like I just got a personal birthday present. We have needed these attack aircrafts since the liberian civil war. I am glad NAF finally did the obvious and the necessary.
Again, I will have to point out that we are hardly the first in the continent or the sub region to reach for the SU-25s and the Mi-24/35.
Ivory coast, chad,angola,DRC,ethiopia,sudan,eritrea are some with these aircrafts in operation.
However, it’s better late than never. Let’s hope this is really the start of a trend, and not our typical “one offs”.
Yeah, Obix.
Another difference between the two scenarios, Obix, is that Niger have already received theirs while Nigeria’s are being EXPECTED for 2013 and this is a very recent entry. Last month when I posted photos of the ugly-looking Chadian-owned RAMTA RAM 2000 LAVs, I took excerpts from SIPRI and the page was correct to 2011 for Nigeria. Now, they have captured 2012 transaations.
But like I said earlier on, Nigeria and Niger acquired Mi-24V/Mi-35P and Mi-24D from Ukraine and Russia in 2008. That did not get mixed up.
I would be surprised if they did arbitary work since 3 Mi-35P and 6 Mi-171Sh add up to NINE helicopters which we are expecting to be delivered to us from Russia, was captured in the data…something which “THE NATION” newspapers and “BLUEPRINT” reported on during Q4 2012. This same SIPRI alone, outside of Nigeria, has actually captured that transaction TILL DATE.
Not even those Nigerian reports enumerated the types of helicopters being expected. We knew the six Mi-171Sh Terminator helicopters were in the loop but NOBODY posited that three Hind attack helics are in the bag as well. SIPRI have done that and it suggests that this is a notch above the simplistic.
Notice that they have specifically dwelt on the orders and spelt out accurate contract dates but have not confirmed any deliveries. And it is a fact that we are still waiting for the induction of all nine Russian airframes while they have specified “2013” as the delivery date of the Frogfoot jets. Do not be surprised to learn at a later date that orders for the jets were placed in December 2012 when the AFISMA expeditionary plans began to take shape
SEE
Somebody check out the UN Register for us.
Just hoping this comes to pass, but why go for just 2, i hope Su 30’s Yak 130’s and l15 Falcon’s are still in the pipeline. We seriously need a change in approach
Based on new inductions and/or budgetary limitations, hardware systems can be declared surplus to requirement even when they are full of life still.
Recently, Portugal declared some Viano do Costello OPVs to be ‘surplus to requirement’ and this was within 0-2 years of induction. The financial crisis in Portugal precipitated that turn of events. In Bulgaria, a mixed squadron of Mi-24V and Mi-17 helics similarly got laid up as budgets tightened up while the Czech Republic also acquired 72 new ‘tear rubber’ units of L159 ALCA advanced trainer+light attack jets but budget cutbacks forced them to put up 24 units of the NEW airframe for sale. Those, in effect, had become surplus to requirement.
WHEW! I hope to god this true and by all indications it does appear to be so! Then thank GOD almighty as far as SIPRI mixing up Niger and Nigeria this is not going to be the case just as i repeatedly said it was not the case in MALI. These chaps do not make these type of mistakes also you do not ( as a country) embark on a hangar construction spree unless you are expecting something nor does your CNAF visit those sites and literally tell them to hurry up unless you are expecting something .
I will hold my breath subject to confirmation but I know something is about to happen what a away to start my Monday.
This is encouraging yet surprising,encouraging that finally we procured a relatively new platform(other than F7);surprising in the fact that Su25 is basically a COIN/CAS aircraft and we already have the Alpha jets and MB339 for these roles ( the only apparent advantage of SU25 is more hard-points/weapons capacity,slightly larger range and a more proven history),Also we are not used to buying these kinds of Jets in meager quantity( i would have expected at least 6 units)or buying refurbished ones. Definitely there will be more of the frog foots (will like to know how this will affect the planned reactivation of Alpha jets and also the specifications of the frog foot)
If our procurement tradition is changing then i have the feeling that we might not have a J17 has a lead fighter after-all, we might just be surprised with some upgraded Su27 which will not be a bad idea.
OGA solorex, how about the titanum bathtub that surrounds the cock pit and most of the jets (frogfoot’s) vital systems.
Some SU-25 upgrades, posses anti SAM systems and missiles, akin to the US HARMs (high speed anti radiation missile) used to destroy sams, before their missiles launch, or are guided to their target.
The SU-25 frogfoot, is essentially the soviet version of the US A-10 warthog tank killer.
Both systems are very survivable in a triple A rich environment.
Not so for the alpha jet, the british hawk, the italian MB-339 or any other light attack trainer advanced or otherwise.
So the longer range su-25 with a longer above target loiter ability, much heavier bomb load and way better survivability is head and shoulders above NAF’s current jet conversion trainers and if procured in decent numbers would be a game changer for NAF.
I’m not convinced @OGA’s, I think oga obix is right. The jets are meant for NIGER republic and not nigeria.
The beeg one, I know say una no dey lie. Please reconfirm as this is just too good to be true. I no wan pop champagne to later hear say the tin no be true talk o.
If its true, my week is made!
Oga peccavi, you are wellcome.
The numbers do not add up. When we purchase air frames, 2 would be the unlikeliest of all numbers.
middle income countries like nigeria would usually procure 6 planes at the very least, except on occasions where the procurement is based solely on experimental purposes.
Secondly our procurement history. If we look at how nigeria has purchased fighters in the last 30 years, one would come to a conclusion that it is highly improbable that those fighters are nigerian.
Oga obix, also provided web links and photos embedded in them to show that our neighbour upnorth, with a name similar to ours, have received 2 SU-25’s.
To be honest, I think the jets belong to niger and not nigeria. the confusion generated must have been from the translation of niger in russian to english. Like we had in the mali debacle.
Oga Henry, ofcourse we want the best for our armed forces. It’s just that sometimes they are very secretive in their procurement drive. Like you said the quantity got me even laughing because i’ve never heard of Nigeria procuring such a number of jets at a go. My suspicion of a mix up even increased when i saw an Ukrainian governmnet site that mentioned about I quote – “the sale of 2 SU25 jets to Nigeria, the said jets were refurbished in the Zaporozhe MIGREMONT facility and later delivered to Niamey” Here they definitely mixed up the 2 countries.
Right now, i don’t have to doubt the reliability of SIPRI DATA. So, let’s wait and see. I hope confirmation would come up fast from the NAF!
And every time I say some other black african airforce is more effective than NAF, someone starts foaming at the mouth.
Think about it, NAF & NA brass have been flying to and swaggering about the air base housing our 2 or is it 4 alpha jets in niger.
And you mean to tell me, all this while, niger had 2 SU-25s and some mi-24s present, AND SHAME NO CATCH US ???
This NAF acquisition story better be right. Or else all our swaggering generals and smart uniforms can no longer camouflage NAF’s qualitative decline in sub saharan africa.
lol anyway on a lighter mood, i am putting a link to a video detailing a possible defense solution for Nigeria
http://www.naval-technology.com/videos/2206997266001.html
The Su-25 is a lovely bird, and I do hope we acquire them. But I had assumed that our priority was for an ideal multi-role aircraft.
Yeah Ocelot, let us see how it goes. Like we said..not imagining, since we see who is on or off this board, SIPRI are reading this thread. If there has been a mistake somewhere, they would have it corrected in a bit. If not,anyone in doubt gets to hold their peace.
Ordinarily, I have not known SIPRI to mix up Nigeria and Niger. When they got Eurocopter helics other than the Super Puma and when they acquired WZ 523 APCs or Mi-24D, those did not get logged as Nigerian property. Conversely, when Nigeria acquired some Super Puma helics, F7s and Mi-24V/Mi-35P, they did not get logged as NIGERIEN property either.
@Solorex. The General, I salute you. Lemme say that your measured response does raise points to be pondered. However, the Su-25 Frogfoot is a dedicated and heavily armoured A-class COIN aircraft, not an advanced trainer+light attack aircraft. The implication of that would be akin to comparing a Super Puma utility helic(ours can fire Exocet missiles) to an armoured hulk such as the Terminator which can take 20mm flak in its incredible windows. Like we have utility airframes alongside dedicated attack airframes, ownership of A-Jet or Aermacchi does not foreclose the necessity for the Su-25 Frogfoot.
Concerning numbers, coming as it were at a time when the brand-new F7 AirGuard jets faltered badly and blame games over the gaffe are ongoing, I do not find anything strange about taking on the aircraft in trickles. It would be to ensure that any unlikely mistakes are corrected without leaving the NAF with an overhang of undesirable airframes. The last time that the NAF got factory refurbished jets was the haul of MiG 15s and MiG 17s from East Germany during the Nigerian Civil War. So that could be why they are toeing the line of caution. In the unlikely event that anything goes wrong, Nigerians would say ‘Chinese jet’, ‘Tokunbo jet’ and all sorts of voluble ignorant stuff which has nothing to do with the very good air safety record of the Su-25 Frogfoot since not very many of us have any capacity for independent thought apparently.
Let me give you an example. After 13 years, all our Mi-24s/Mi-35s, acquired as they were from surplus stocks, are COMPLETE and aloft. Nobody has noticed that, even as we have lost a few Agusta A109s of the NN Air Arm.
In closing, it would not be the first time that the NAF have made ab initio piecemeal acquisitions. We took on a lone Chinook and let go of it while the Agusta inductions commenced with the acquisition of two A109e variants before the FG signed a contract for twelve militarised A109 LUH variants. A few months ago, the NAF again took delivery of a start-up haul of two Robinson helics for the 305 FTS.
So none of the grounds for skepticism are nearly cast in iron or inexplicable when viewed against the backdrop of contemporary developments in the NAF.
Like I said earlier on, SIPRI will correct themselves if they have goofed or maintain their stance if they have indubitable proof. These things do not just get taken off the pages of newspapers or webpages. It is compiled using back channel communication with manufacturers and log entries in the UN Register which are, MOST TIMES, accurate. How else did they know that the NAF are expecting three Hinds and six Terminators whereas the UN Register gets updated in June while NO website or newspaper outside Nigeria has carried the story of that decent haul? Not even the CAS mentioned any aircraft type when he told a few Nigerian media houses last December, that the NAF are expecting nine Russian copters.
So keep an eye on SIPRI pages.
The Nigerian ARMY facebook page has this to say : http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.433755170046908.1073741843.128262300596198&type=1. Let us keep on praying
I don’t think that page is nigeria’s army official page. That guy who runs that facebook page is also a beegeagle blogger. He took the information from this blog.
The Nigerian Facebook page seem to be quoting from the same source as BEEG. Everyday i keep see Sukhoi’s in ma sleep, i practically dream, eat and sleep Sukhoi’s. I hope this one happens and quickly too
More like they are quoting Beeg..not from the same source as BEEG 🙂
This has been my first visit to that page, FB Page. After a close examination of the content, I have come to realise that it is not nearly the official Nigerian Army page. For one, the NA cannot open a Facebook page and label it “NIGERIA ARMY”. What we have is a “NIGERIAN ARMY”. NOTE the difference – like wearing a beret without a cap badge.
The chap who uploads plagiarised content, sans any acknowledgement of his sources, to that page has been doing so for many months now and it is clear, unfortunately, that he is a Beegeagle’s Blogger. He cloned that caption 100% from here. Before now, people such as Henry and WoCon45 even said that he even used to copy and paste COMMENTS from here direct to that page. The ‘xeroxing’ was that total. He got chided on account of his disagreeable methods and he mellowed after he was cautioned by some guys in here. You would wonder why some of our compatriots have little or no regard for their reputations and cannot even be honest about the most basic of things. Imagine if I had passed off SIPRI data as my own researched content and I later get found out? I would feel GUTTED!
Whichever Beegeagle’s Blogger it is that does such disagreeable stuff, you can tell that his captions always come after he has visited this blog – the one which you posted a link to came 18 hours after I had posted and my posts are original. Copy that caption and run a google search. The FIRST person who logged it online was yours truly. Anybody else copied his content from here.
@ Gen Beege, i absolutely agree, the authenticity of that Facebook page is clearly negative. I don write them tire. Truth be told though they do post interesting photos at time but the bulk of their written updates are beegeagle based. I guess they are a filling a vaccum.
Nigeria awaits delivery of ….. as opposed to Niger has taken delivery of ….. INTERPRETATION: Niger already operates the su-25 while ours is pending.
Ogas, like i said already let’s wait for confirmation. The 2 Nigerien jets were delivered recently (this year). Coincidentally, we are expecting our 2 jets this year as well. Suprisingly SIPRI DATA of 2012 that was quoted doesn’t have a record of the purchase of the NIgerien jets, but they have a record of ours. That’s why i suspected that they mistook the name of the country involved.
I hope we get more information soon on it!
Let us keep an eye on the page. The same SIPRI did not ascribe ownership of one to the other when in 2008, Nigeria and Niger acquired three units of Mi-24V+Mi-35P and two units of Mi-24D (the so called Mi-25) respectively. And they never have – not with Chinese or French-made hardware. So this would be a one-off howler assuming that they got it wrong.
There is nothing to suggest that Nigeria and Niger are not simultaneously in the hunt for Su-25s. “DELIVERY 2013” attached to the Nigerian order suggests a pending order while Niger’s have already been delivered and photographed. SIPRI are clearly alluding to a pending order and that is why the have yet to sign off on the transaction as in other cases where they have stated the year in which the order was placed and indicated when the item(s) were delivered.
Some online reports suggest that Mali even took delivery of one or more Su-25s last year. Chad and Sudan have had them for a few years now. Nothing stops Niger, Nigeria and Mali which are all involved in COIN operations from reaching for them.
The report was written by people who are reading this to and fro as we write. Let them be the ones to elucidate on or repudiate what they have written. I keep an open mind about these things.
By the way, how come there are so many NAF personnel training abroad at this time? The CAS informed Nigerians last December that there are 130 NAF personnel undergoing training abroad.
“We are now expecting nine helicopters from RUSSIA; this is addition to the 70 per cent of serviceable helicopters on ground, and 130 airmen and women, attaining training abroad.”
http://blueprintng.com/2012/12/military-responsible-for-non-acquisition-of-equipment-badeh/
The last time we had such a large number of NAF chaps abroad and in training was in 2009. At the time, we were expecting a delivery of fifteen F7 AirGuard jets and 63 pilots, engineers and technicians were undergoing training in China.
We have good Mil, Dornier and Agusta maintenance structures and crews in PHC, KD and LAG in that order while Mil pilots can be seen training all the time above PHC and KD in particular.
So what are 130 NAF personnel preparing to fly or maintain? There is a lot which we have yet to uncover while Gbash10 who has been seeing twin-engined jets has tactically evaded my attempts at getting him to gimme the heads up.
If SIPIRI made an error, then it would be the first one I personally have identified. I have run through this list, and so far cannot find any purchase that seems erroneous
http://www.sipri.org/research/armaments/transfers/measuring/Register%20suppliers%202008-2012.pdf. I have seen pictures of Nigerien SU-25s that are clearly being refurbished in the Ukraine, but this database clearly mentioned new acquisitions.
Oga Eyimola, how is that SIPRI didn’t mention the Nigerien SU-25 ? They were delivered this year.
Maybe because they were not transferred to Niger. They were existing Nigerien air force aircraft sent for refurbishment. The alpha Jets refurbished by the Nigerian Air force last year did not make the list either.
No, sir. They are newly acquired refurbished jets. That’s why i raised the point of a possible mix up. 😦
Na wa o. The Su-25 has 11+2 hardpoints – centreline, five on either wing and two wingtips and carries a 4+ ton bombload.
Yes, Beag. It’s a no nonsense bird. NATO calls it FROGFOOT, and the Ruskyis call it ROOK ! The same way our A jets made rebels in S.Leone and Liberia tremble, was the same way the Chechen rebels dreaded raising their heads when they heard her on the horizon.
Tellem Beeg.
O’boy, believe o. It carries a bombload which is comparable to that of a Jaguar jet but on many more hardpoints (greater array then – rocketpods, A2As, bombs etc) and carries as much as the combined panoply of an Aermacchi and A-Jet.
Would not be bad to form a fixed wing COIN squadron using eight Frogfoot and four A-Jet, so that whenever crunchtime is upon us, the NAF would simply deploy two A-Jet and two Frogfoot.
Great Patriots,I can feel the level of excitement that greeted this blog by fellow Cyber Generals!Hmm… Let us wait,listen and then see what is coming to NAF.
🙂 Na wa o..wetin Gbash10 dey yarn na? Hehehe..dem say neck, e say throat. We tok say ‘Oga, troway gist’, paddy dey tell we mek we ‘watch and pray’
O’boy, abeg inbox me gist jare if tory na ‘code red’. Been waiting to hear from the McCoy for ten days.
This is great news. However I am interested in the variant that NAF will be acquiring. My greatest concern borders on logistics since the next haul of air crafts (advanced combat trainners, multirole/deep strike jets) will be coming from various suppliers…
Does it mean we are not still thinking of getting the su-27 or su-30 anymore and it seems oga beegs we should know the capabilities of the j17 aircraft and any new update about the naval acquisitions?
Naval acquisitions nko? And air defence systems and hw abt the amebo drones? I think the FG should be looking @ putting these homemade innovations to use by the military that’s hw we can know their flaws and improve on them not by making them relics to just be displayed one expects that we should be talking about using the amebo in the NE coin operations and even upgrading it to an armed drone won’t be a bad idea
SIPRI rarely makes such mistakes. With the hangers been built and airmen on foreign training, can perceive the sweet aroma of the delicious soup the nigerian CAS is cooking. With th acquisition of these FROGFOOTS, i hope it will open the door to the multi-role jets we seek. Am very happy my ogas.
From DANOOZ MKENYA
Nice acquisitions, but I had to say
this…….dear Naija Brethrens is that the
way you treat visitors (Harambee Stars)
back at home
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?
articleID=2000079823&story_title=Kenya-Harambee-Stars-mistreated-by-
Nigerians
Take that with a pinch of salt, Danooz.EVERYWHERE across Africa, visiting teams appear to always have a lot to say about ‘subtle acts of intimidation’. Prior to Nigeria’s semi-final match against Tunisia at the 2004 edition of the Nations Cup, the Tunisians set of a rather unsettling air raid siren behind the Super Eagles hotel. They could not sleep or concentrate.
Calabar is a perfectly hospitable and idyllic city on the Gulf of Guinea coast. Its residents say that Calabar means “Come-And-Live-And-Be-At-Rest”
On a lighter note, er, hopefully, your players are not preparing an emotional soft landing for a possible heavy defeat :-). It could be all about that..nine defeats in the last ten encounters is no easy burden to bear. Tis a heavy cloud to play under really.
Welcome to Nigeria, DOUBLE CHAMPIONS OF AFRICA…homeland of the Flying Eagles, reigning and record-setting six-time African junior champions and of the S-U-P-E-R Eagles,the all-conquering CHAMPIONS of Africa…both teams doubly crowned in South Africa, no less.
LordFej, your details and handles are changing everyday. Why now?
DANOOZ MKENYA says
you talking about ruling Africa-yet there
is Egypt, Cameroon and Ghana- we
talking about middle-long distance
(800m-marathons) Kenyan Athletes and
Sevens Rugby ruling the world, our
women volleyball team has ruled Africa for as long as I can remember,Women
Hockey team only second to SA, and we
don’t chest thump…..is this the way you
advertise your country…maybe the
Ghanaian journalists libel sometimes
suits your egos…..don’t boast about your failures, it is shameful, that you take
your visitors to shanties and then boast
C-A-L-A-B-A-R…hopefully we get to
reciprocate during the return match, IT
WILL BE WORSE THAN THIS, IF FKF
DECIDES SO
DANOOZ MKENYA has a point. Clearly something has gone awry here for the Kenyan FA to complain directly to FIFA. I take BEEGS view of this ‘potentially being business as usual’ but we don’t really need to make enemies of a country that has been a friend to Nigeria for over 50yrs. I don’t mind the aggressive sledging that happens when we play Ghana or Cameroon, but do we really need to resort to Gamesmanship when playing Kenya?
The Calabar which you speak of with disdain was actually one of the centers for the Fifa Under 21 championship and the U17 Championship in 1999 and 2009. If the City and its sport facility is good enough to host a Fifa competition believe me it is more than good enough to host a world cup qualifier. There is no politics here.. each state of the federation compete to host he super eagles and the best of all the offers is chosen. Left for me I would have preferred the eagles have a stable home.. (like the 90s) but I guess this to allow different part of the federation get a feel of the Nigerian team while also allowing for part of the cost for hosting such games be shared between FA and the government of the host state. If Nigeria had any need to seek competitive advantage by being a bad host.. believe me it won’t be Kenya ..
Here is what Wikipedia had to say about the U.J Esueni Stadium Calabar
It is currently used mostly for football matches and is the home stadium of Calabar Rovers and previously Dolphins F.C. (Port Harcourt).[1] The stadium has a capacity of 12,000 and opened in 1977. It has been short-listed as a stadium for the 2009 FIFA U-17 World Cup.[2]
The U. J. Esuene Stadium was inaugurated on the 2 April 1977 with a match between Benin’s Bendel Insurance F.C. and newly-formed Calabar Rovers of Calabar. Two weeks later, the stadium hosted an international encounter between Enugu Rangers and Tonnerre Yaoundé – a game that featured the likes of Roger Milla, Christian Chukwu and Emmanuel Okalla.
Built with capacity of 25,000, the stadium was renovated between 1998 and 1999, when its capacity was reduced to 12,000 to host matches at the 1999 FIFA World Youth Championship. A Brazil team including Ronaldinho and eventual winners Spain, who fielded Iker Casillas and Xavi, among others, played there.
Games at the 2003 All-Africa Games were also played at the U. J. Esuene Stadium in October 2003, as were Nigeria’s qualifiers for the 2008 Africa Cup of Nations.
The stadium has been further upgraded to include an ultra modern electronic video-matrix scoreboard, with impressive floodlights. At Nigeria 2009, Calabar will host games in Group C, which includes Iran, Colombia, the Netherlands and Gambia.
You might also want to read up on calabar before you start throwing a tandem about some phantom bad treatment which was manufactured by your FA as a way to deflect an impending thorough bashing your boys will receive
Haba DANOOZ, you stated your grouse and BigBrovar sent a riposte. You have stood your ground and we have heard you. I think you have made your point namely, that Nigeria mistreated Kenya’s soccer team. Overflogging the issue would however derail this thread which is very important to some of us – Nigerians. Take a look at the subject-matter of this thread and tell me what it has got to do with soccer. I think I have obliged you as it stands unless I am going to let you derail this thread entirely.
There is a Twitter exchange which was started by Kenyans –
#someonetellnigeria
and a group riposte by Nigerians
#someonetellkenya
which we hear are trending on Twitter. TWITTER would be a more appropriate place to take the grievance to and it would be heard at high decibel.
http://capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2013/03/21/kenya-vs-nigeria-in-twitter-war-over-stars/
In closing, all I can say is that even as far as global soccer branding goes, our soccer team have been Olympic champions as well..no need to subtly deprecate ‘cos that title remains mighty Brazil’s overriding ambition as far as global soccer laurels go. You better ask somebody.
@Obix
For several years now, our teams have ceased to regale us with talk of hostile reception or poor pitches because Nigerians see the players as professionals who should not be encumbered by such challenges. They just take it as it comes and prepare for the worst. Nobody listens to such talk in Nigeria anymore since Nigerians take it that a team are gearing up to fail when they begin to come up with stories of mistreatment and poor pitches.
The last time over a stretch of ten encounters, that the Harambee Stars managed a draw against the Super Eagles was in 1997 in Kenya. The rest nine encounters – in Nigeria, in Kenya or at the Africa Cup of Nations ended in defeat for the Harambee Stars. Nobody mistreated anybody before those nine encounters yet that is the story as it stands. What is so special about this one trip since it is not their first, second or third trip to Nigeria going back fifteen years other than the Super Eagles being the reigning African champions? Were they also mistreated during previous visits during which I have twice watched them LIVE at the stadiium and they got knocked down 3-0?
Perhaps they see this as their best chance of getting to play in a World Cup but there is still a Kenyan leg of this two-legged fixture to be played and our last visit to Nairobi, coincidentally for a 2010 World Cup qualifier, ended up in a 2-3 defeat for the homers. What else is new – they have always been formidable opponents ala Cameroon, Ghana, Egypt, Algeria etc and we are jittery. We get the gist.
That was why I alluded to the possibility of this being all about preparing an emotional soft-landing for a possible heavy defeat and Kenyans have fallen for it, going by the presence of all their citizens on Twitter for a cybergame of brickbats.
Kenyans should save their venom for their FA.. In every story one should always listen to the other side before drawing a conclusion
NFF say Kenya responsible for their troubles
Nigeria say Kenya are responsible for their own travel troubles in Nigeria, and chose a dilapidated primary school to train despite being offered a much better pitch at National Stadium, Lagos.
On Wednesday, pictures emerged showing Harambee Stars players training on a grassless ground in Lagos, and their officials reportedly blaming their Nigerian counterparts for shoddy arrangements
But NFF official Bola Oyeyode, who is the coordinator for the game, told KickOffNigeria.com that the Kenyans had no one to blame but themselves.
“To start with, they were playing hide and seek about their travel arrangements,” Oyeyode began. “They refused to communicate their arrival date to us despite numerous letters from us to them.
“In all those communications, we copied their embassy here and Fifa and we still have the letters here.
“It was only on Monday afternoon that they wrote to us informing us they would arrive on Wednesday afternoon.
“Even their embassy was finding it hard getting information out of them. an embassy official called Mr Tony was doing his best to help us, but even he could not get anything out of them.”
When information eventually came, it was too limited, according to Oyeyode.
“They told us they were coming with a 25-man delegation, but didn’t give us any names, so we could not book the connecting flight to Calabar early.
“When it was getting late, we used our relationship with the airline to book 25 seats with no names, only for them to arrive with a 35-man party.
“In their letter, they never said they wanted to train in Lagos. The arrangement was for them to come in and fly straight to Calabar. But their flight arrived at noon, and the flight to Calabar is usually at 11am.
“At no time did we discuss anything about a chartered aircraft. Even our own team, who are African champions, flew to Calabar on a regular commercial flight.”
Regarding the training ground, Oyeyode said the Kenyans picked the substandard ground on the advise of one of their ‘consultants’.
“We went out of our way to book the training pitch of the National Stadium in Surulere for them at very, very short notice.
“But they refused to go there, after they were advised but one their men on the ground here, and they chose that primary school to train.”
http://www.kickoff.com/news/33404/nff-say-kenya-responsible-for-their-troubles
This is just stupid psychological warefare by the Kenyans. In our football history i don’t recall any visiting team, club side or national team complain of such shabby treatment. They refused to disclose their itinerary and now decided to make Nigeria look bad. The Liberians did the same prior to the ANC 2013 and they paid for it on the pitch of play.
We should realize that, nowadays the battle starts outside the pitch. It’s all about who gains the psychological edge. Get your opponent upset, accuse him of falsely gaining advantage and hope he loses focus……Jose Mourinho specializes on that remember! It wont work for them.
I’ll say to my Kenyan friends in Kiswahili- “karibu”. “Hakuna matata”. “Tuta unana kesho”!!! 🙂
DANOOZ MKENYA to BigBrovar
My response written by a Nigerian:
http://www.goal.com/en-ke/news/4522/kenya/2013/03/21/3841895/nff-leaves-kenyan-delegation-without-security-as-
harambee
What you are saying above is hogwash
lets discuss the topic here and leave this football issue alone.
While waiting for SIPRI to recant, which they have yet to do as is..suggesting that they stand by their story, lemme say that I am pleased at the leap in the real asset base of attack and assault helicopters.
Once these deliveries are made, we can say that the NAF have twenty four units of A-class Mi-35/Mi-35P/Mi-171Sh dedicated attack/assault helicopters as follows
Mi-35 Hind E (aka Mi-24V) – 3 units
Mi-35P Hind F – 11 units
Mi-171Sh Terminator – 10 units
The FG need to work towards a strategic goal in this matter. Therefore, in 2013, it would be expedient to turn to Russian surplus stocks and obtain for $60m
– six Mi-17V5 helicopters
– six Mi-24V attack helicopters
From that pool of 20 attack helicopters, six transport helicopters and ten assault helicopters and assuming simultaneous engagements in joint operations in Chad, Niger and Mali, we should be able to call on the services of a total of six Mi-24V and six Mi-17s as the core of our expeditionary assets. That way, we can deploy two Mi-24V and two Mi-17 respectively(four helicopters in all) to each of Mali, Chad and Niger without disrupting our internal operations.
Makes perfect sense
Methinks by now if the sipri people are standing by their story unless a recantation is inthe works it stands to be true. We have not heard from oga xnur maybe he can shed some light on this issue.
Lastly has any one heard about the second ship being built the sister ship to NN ANDONI?
Beeg, I hate to say this but SIPRI is not the most accurate source around. For decades they reported the delivery of 40 S-23 and 100 D-20 Howitzers to India as well as Buk-1M SAMs. None of this was true. It was pointed out to them and they did not change anything.
This does not mean the story is untrue. However, caution is needed. From my perspective, it makes no sense for 2 Su-25 to be ordered in total. If it is part of a larger order, makes lots of sense.
The question is, will Nigeria consider surplus fighters ? That may be a bit riskier as some of the Russian types are in rough shape.
SBM, yes I know that.
I did say that picking up two units of an aircraft type at a time when fall guys are still being sought for the F7 gaffe, it is not out of place for the NAF to go piecemeal so that any unlikely mistakes come at minimum cost to the country. The F7 gaffe cost $251 million. The plan would be to increase the assets to optimal levels if all goes well. I cited two precedents – two A109e were acquired and trialled first before an order for a squadron of A109 LUH followed. That trend has sufficed in the acquisition of Robinson R66 helicopters as it stands. Two units, more trickling in.
As for the surplus stocks, arranged through Ukrpetrexport, Rosoboronexport or BVST, I do not see how any duds would slip through. Fifteen years down the line and twelve years down the line, the Su-27s of Ethiopia and Angola are doing just fine.
Without stepping outside Nigeria, the cascade of Hind E+Hind F which came through surplus stocks have held up very, very well and you need to be in Nigeria to see how often they are airborne. They are regularly seen in training sorties above PHC and Kaduna and have attacked extensively in the Niger Delta(Elem-Tombia, Gbaramatu, Okrika etc) and in the Far North. They have also been constant features in the skyline over the Jos Plateau. The point is – they are not parked but are rather consistently airborne.
Let us see how it goes. Unfortunately, entries in the UN Register do not get updated until June. But we have our ways and Beegeagle’s Bloggers, as you can see from the cascade of exclusive shots, are well positioned. We won’t be the last to hear about new deliveries and have photos to show. I trust my wingmen and what they stand for.
MTBF for the engines for the Su-27 were a huge problem. Angola got a total of 2 Su-27. One crashed. Other is rarely flown. Plans for more were cancelled. Ethiopia has done well with its small fleet but they have invested a lot in establishing a maintenance infrastructure. Nigeria will have to do the same.
BVST are able to handle that – Frogfoot, Flanker and Hind and are already working in support of MiL maintenance. Those have been more heavily utilised but have had a better safety record than Agusta A109s in Nigerian military service. Agusta-AETSL also have a mtce partnership operable simultaneously.That much we know.
So let the Sukhois be inducted. That way, our jets are our jets. When we run out of replenishable stock, we place an order for more and it comes..not gets cut off midstream because we transacted with people who think that the seller rather than the customer is king.
One very good example is the Nigerian military partnership with Poly Technologies Group of China and the Suncraft-STK syndicate of Singapore. We get our goods when we pay for them – DShK 12.7mm HMGs, CIS-50 12.7mm HMGs and 40mm AGLs, patrol boats, landing craft and littoral interceptors, by the hundreds. Orders for fresh stocks of ammo and HMGs have been placed and delivered..no questions asked. That and ONLY THAT is good enough for the Nigerian military. Any other arrangement or order of things is ill-affordable plus needs to and deserves to be jettisoned.
Those HINDS and MI-35’s have held not just very well, but very very very well. The MI-35’s and 24hind conduct regular sorties and recce patrols in P/H. I can confirm myself with the uttermost certainty. There is no day you come out of your house in P/H and you don’t see those birds flying above. It is either the MI-35 or the 24 hind or both of them flying together. Sometimes you get a pair of MI-35’s or a pair of Hinds.
This is for the base in p/h
During the 2nd leg of militancy in the niger-delta, when the renegade leader of NDLFV, john togo was killed. I was in benin then, when troops call in airsupport, I (residents) could see 3 MI-35p helicopters flying above in full throttle to delta state.
The airbase in P/H covered rivers, akwa ibom and bayelsa. While the air maritime group in benin, covered edo, delta and ondo states.
Now, during our 50th anniversary celebrations, during the air parade 5 MI-35p helicopters flew past during the airshow.
My point is, I have constantly dis agreed with OGA DOZIEX and MARSHAL BEEG, as regards the remuneration, actual number’s of these gunships we actually have. I believe we actually have higher numbers of these gunships than what OGA’s doziex and beeg have allotted.
To the topic above, inasmuch as we all want the best for our airforce. This particular coincidence, seems so glaring it actually now looks like an embarrassing mistake by SIPRI.
The numbers (2)
The photo provided by OBIX
The glaringly identical name
Oga henry, I ‘ll be the happiest Nigerian, if you are right, and we have upwards of 20 “hinds”.
God knows that we need about 50 to 80 of them suckers.
@ oga henry i actually agree with you,no country no matter how powerful,rich ,poor or weak(expecially weak)would tell you to disclose the real numbers of assets you have to other nations,even if the marketer has to report when you bought something he doesnt have to tell the real number,both for security reasons and intelligiance,and for a country as secretive as nigeria we have all seen nigeria has made some procurements that were either not reported or appeared underestimated.
In this regards i agree with you,nigeria has more assets than we are really being told.
2 frog foots for a country battling a deadly insurgency, doesn’t just make any sense. 4 jets would have been a more viable option. Oga beeg, I must say, I also dis agree with the comparism you’ve made with the Robinson. The robinson is basically a trainer. So the airforce can afford to get in bits and pieces.
You say, the top brass of the airforce, with 2 acquisitions of SU-25’s, might want to avoid the debacle/ gaffe made with F-7’s. In my book, logical however in correct. If we are talking about the JF-17 thunder jets, the scenario you wrote would have been plausible, since the JF-17 is an un tested jet.
With the SU-25, that’s a different “frying pan of akara” . The bird is well versed in combat, has seen tours in afghanistan, chechnya and dagestan, infact the caucuses. It is considered in many quarters as a more superior fighter to the american AH-10 thunderbolt.
So I believe, the question of not entering into the same quagmire as we did with the MIG-21 relic we bought from the chinese, is non-existent. It is a proven fighter, the SU-25. Four(4) birds would have been a more logical number.
We know that we are expecting new planes, what have constantly eluded us is, what sort of birds we are going to be getting.
We know that 12 L-15 falcons is already in the bag, as reported by our blog, beegeagle’s blog
We do not know what sort of multi-role fighter we would be getting, names (JF-17 has constant), sukhoi( new and gaining momentum).
Well, I have been quoting the figures derived from the known deliveries of 2000,2008 and 2010 and from the serial numbers starting from NAF 529 and which through to NAF 538 and a little above that serial no. Those ones, we have seen.
If I find a Mi-24V/35P that is NAF 527 or NAF 546, I shall also know and confirm that the NAF have 20 units of those, while we wait for further deliveries.
What I can say for certain but we have not confirmed those, is that it was reported at the time of outgone President Medvedev’s visit to Nigeria a few years ago, that on the eve of his visit, a delivery of a mixed consigment of six Mi-24V/Mi-35P was made.
@marshal beegs pls wats your email address saw a picture I’d like to share with you
@ Beeyee
beegeaglesblog@ovi.com
@Yagz. Mighty Yagz, I read you five by five and we are on the same page. I was somewhat wary, in a country which has been frankly tardy about the hardware requirements of the forces, I do not want us to provide any escape route for MoD because we all know that the NAF need the Su-27s. It is as straightforward as that.
May God grant our people the courage to do right.
Guys, we have a new and well positioned colleague. He has just sent me nine powerful and EXCLUSIVE photos of hardware from his personal collection at a NADCEL event.
We just got better, gentlemen :-).
Abeg wey the pictures oh!!
#Salivating.
Concerning the SU25 issue, i’m still not convinced. Tomorrow i’ll share an information which i got from an inside source in the Ukrainian defence analytic centre! I’m doing the translation as we speak! @Oga Beag, do you have a record of the number of APC’s and MI helos acquired from Ukraine in the last 7-8 years?
OGA OBIX
We dey wait o!
Yeah, Obix.
18 modernised units of BTR 70
47 units of IFV-variant BTR-3s
3 units of Mi-24V/Mi-35P
You might want to find out what the details of the MoU on defence which junior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Viola Onwuliri signed with the Ukrainians during her visit to Kiev in August 2011.
Gen. Beeg, this particular post drew a lot of comments, constructive criticism. While praying that things work as we hope I want to say good job. Keep it up . I wake up every day since you published this information anticipating good thing.
i am just watching to see this post hit a 100 comments. i always monitor this post. Bravo le General
Dear Marshal Beag and other cyber warriors! Sorry I for my abscence for some days now. I just want to inform you that I contacted SIPRI and presented the information that I have concerning their report on the SU25 for the NAF. Here’s part of their reply
“Dear Obix,
You’re entirely correct. That entry for 2 Su-25 should be for Niger – not Nigeria. It will be adjusted.
Thanks for helping us improving our data.
Best regards,
Siemon Wezeman
Senior Researcher
Arms Transfers Programme
STOCKHOLM INTERNATIONAL
PEACE RESEARCH INSTITUTE”
I hope this clears the air! Let’s still folllow up and see them correct the mistake. I’ll be back!
Well done. Thanks for the clarification
Based on what we know, that chap is actually the one who is saddled with that task and as such, I take it that changes shall definitely be made to the log entries.
On the strength of that, I am going to go one step ahead and rectify same in the knowledge that Obix has not made this up.
Thanks Beag! We are all here, to make this blog the most accurate in Nigerian millitary matters. I’m happy my 3 sleepless nights were not in vain 🙂 My source also confirmed the procurement by NA, which you mentioned in your answer to my question earlier in this post.
On the MOU signed in 2011, we all know that it’s a classified document. But i was told it covered mostly “possible” further procurement of helos, APCs, IFVs and upgrades. But actually the Ukrainians are very sceptical about any serious deals, due to the fact, that a lot of “decision makers” in the Defence HQ are not happy that during the Niger delta crisis, millitants got a lot of Ukrainian weapons through 3rd parties while at the same time we were in serious procurement talks with them. A lot of proposals from them went down the drain, like the helo maintainance hangar in Owerri…..It’s clear to them that they are losing ground to the Russians and Belarussians.
Yes OGA obix, it’s about making sure our blog, beegeagle’s blog remains the worlds most undisputed and accurate source of nigerian security news.
The Helo maintenance deal went to the belurusians, am sure.
However, I have a question fo you obix, how about fighter procurements, what fighters are we looking at getting? There is so much news flying underground at the moment, so many names have been thrown around. What is your source saying on possible fighter procurement by nigeria? @oga obix
Baba Henry, i don’t have any information about frontline fighter procurements. My sources are based in Ukraine, so i can only clarify issues arising from that part of the world. That was why i quickly noticed the mistake by SIPRI concerning the SU25.
Yes, the helo maintainance deal went to the Belarussians. But like Beag wrote, the Ukrainians have the AutoKraz trucks deal which going for them. I’ve been to the factory in Kremenchuk and i can confirm that the trucks are rugged and relatively easy to maintain.
Well, I am disappointed, but not surprised.Those in control of our defense and our purse strings, remain asleep at the wheel.
So far, in this sub region, ivory coast, chad, equatorial guinea, and now niger and mali have found use for the excellent ground attack platform of the SU-25 frogfoot, while NAF remains aloof.
Oga Obix, thanks for the clarification. Speaking of ukraine, the bad blood with nigerian officials should actually date back to the war in sierra leone. Where their citizens, violated every UN arms embargo, to resupply the rebels there.
Of course, with our lack of institutional memory, I ‘ll bet that history is not even part of our qualms with ukraine.
@Obix.
BVST of Belarus – the equivalent of Ukraine’s Ukrpetrexport and Russia’s Rosobornexport, have been working with the NAF on Mil aircraft maintenance in PHC since 2008-9 at the latest.
That arrangement has since been formalised since Q4 2011. They are still operating out of PHC and the Ukrainians have lost out on that one apparently.
What they have going elsewhere is their very rugged AutoKraz trucks. The supply those to the Police for MOPOL and ATS units and were talking about establishing an assembly plant in Nigeria.
I was informed that the two jets SU 25 are for niger not nigeria.
http://www.proforcedefence.com/
OGA’s have a look at what proforce is doing. Great I tell you.
Le General, there was a recent us delegation to the Navy. please do you have feelers on what was discussed? also Le General what about our boys in Mali? Thanks
PROFORCE LIMITED’s Pf1 is a wheeled Tactical Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC) capable of traveling across rough terrain and fording water or any other form of obstacles up to 800mm depth.
The vehicle has excellent battlefield or civil deployment mobility and is extremely versatile. The Pf1 has been specially designed and manufactured by PROFORCE (Defence) LIMITED. The Pf1 has the seating capacity of ten (10) personnel including driver and commander.
THE BALLISTICS
Transparent & opaque ballistic materials that are installed on all of the makes and models of Proforce Limited’s Armored Personnel Carriers-APCs are routinely and carefully being tested in-house as well as by certified independent test laboratories.
VARIANTS CHARACTERISTICS TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION
– Police–Pf1
– Armoured Personnel Carrier-Pf1
– Combat Surveillance–Pf1
– Missile Weapon Carrier-Pf1
– Command & Control Vehicle-Pf1
– Ambulance-Pf1 Fording: 800mm
Slide Slope: 40%
Gradient: 60%
Obstacle: 500mm
Trench: 750mm MTU 4R 106 Td21 Diesel Turbocharged – Intercooled( Euro 3) Welded Ballistic Steel Armour Complied to STANAG 4569 Level 1 Controls and Instruments
DIMENSION & WEIGHT Pf1 – MILITARY Pf1 – POLICE
Length (mm) 5100 5474
Width (mm) 2490 2600
Height (mm) 2500 2460
Ground Clearance (mm) 367 374
Wheelbase (mm) 2900 2900
Approach Angle (deg) 45 29.2
Departure Angle (deg) 50 37.2
Kerb Weight (kg) 7850 7850
Combat Weight (kg) 10000 10000
Payload (kg) 2000 2000
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Acceleration 0 to 80 (secs): 26
Turning circle (wall to wall): 14.5
Power to weight ratio: 21.5 Type: MTU 4R 106 Td21, 4cy. In-line. Diesel Turbocharged-Intercooled (Euro 3)
Displacement (cc): 4800
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Types: XZL Michelin 365/80 R20 fitted with Hutchinson VFI run flat insert(CTIS system-optional
Wheel/Rims: 11x 20, aluminium split rim
Suspension: Hydro-pneumatic multi-link, spring element; hydro-pneumatic studs, axles control: 3 longitudinal links with panhard rod
Brakes: Air operated spring disc with ABS
Parking brake: Pneumatic control on wheels of 2nd axles
Steering: ZF 8095, hydraulic assisted integral re-circulation ball with variable ratio steering gear box
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Land mine: STANAG 4569 Level 2b (Level 3a- optional)
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BC system: Overpressure system
proforce is a privately owned defence company located in ogun state. they are also a major defence contractor of the federal government.
i’m a bit confused, is the pf1 different from the igirigi
To me PF1 looks exactly like the first picture of the Igirigi I saw.
The Beeg one should pls clarify.
The PF1 is actually what it is PF1. Manufactured by proforce in ogun state. The mix up came out about because of the anxiety generated when the army were to launch their own APC (igirigi 1). So I believe that in desperation for photos of the army made APC (igirigi), journalist across the country and the world infact, took the picture of the PF1, made by proforce and passed on as igirigi.
The PROFORCE PF1 APC and PF2 APV(armoured patrol vehicle/protected patrol vehicle) are the products of homegrown engineering efforts by PROFORCE DEFENCE, a privately owned commercial venture. It is ENTIRELY DISTINCT FROM AND UNRELATED TO the IGIRIGI.
Proforce seek to sell their APCs and APVs to Nigeria’s defence and security forces and to state govts who give such hardware systems to security forces contingents deployed within their states as tokens of operational support. Already, the hybrid security outfit operating in Osun State were supplied PF2 APVs, painted in red colour, sometime in 2012. This was shown on NTA News.
For her part, the IGIRIGI APC is a project of the Nigerian Army Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, a FG-sponsored which has nothing to do with PROFORCE PF1 APC.
The PROFORCE PF1 APC and IGIRIGI APC are the products of authentic R & D and ab initio construction that is wholly Nigerian.
Comparatively, what MEKAHOG seek to commence wef 2014 is the local assemblage of Completely Knocked Down parts of SOUTH AFRICAN Springbuck VI and DCD Mountain Lion APCs. That is NOT NEARLY the same thing as what PROFORCE and NAEME do.
On another front, an Israeli firm also seek to construct an assembly plant where Israeli MRAPs would be assembled in Nigeria.
That is the state of play, gentlemen.
As we can see, the IGIRIGI pictured below on the blog, bears no resemblance what so ever to the photo of the proforce which had earlier been ascribed to it.
Cyber-warriors, just to corroborate Obix’s assertion that the SU-25 Frogfoot aircraft are for NIGER and not Nigeria.
AIRFORCES MONTHLY magazine (April 2013 edition) has the following entry at page 22 , which I shall reproduce verbatim and it reads as follows: ” The TWO Sukhoi -25 Frogfoots noted at the Zaporozhye State Aviation Repair Factory in the Ukraine are now destined for NIGER . The two aircraft have been seen with Niger Air Force (Armee de l’Air Nigerienne) markings applied at at least one has had a serial (SU-MCF) applied. The jet fighter-bombers will be a new experience for the small Niger air arm, which to date has only operated helicopters and transport aircraft. With no formal training system for pilots, it must be assumed that East European pilots will fly the aircraft. The country’s entire airforce operate from Niamey’s international airport”
End of matter.
Yeah we can now bring our alpha jets home to train pilots, as they were designed to do.
With chad, niger and as I heard, mali with these SU-25 frog foots, our alpha jets are now outclassed, and serves no useful purpose out there.
1st our ground units are upstaged by the chadians, who came ready to fight.
And now, our expeditionary air unit, has also been upstaged.
NAF/NN/NA , where is the urgency ???
You not going to swallow this qualitative decline in assets sitting down. Are you ???
Oga Yagazie! Na so. We shouted uhuru too early. I still wonder what NAF has in mind. Apart from the L15, what else are they really looking at?
With the UN issue on Arms transfer which was voted on 2 days ago, I wonder where we go from here.SMH
Gentlemen, I have very reliable info to the effect that at a major airbase upcountry, there is a flurry of activities as trucks and C130 planes have been bringing in completely knocked down(CKD) parts of a jet aircraft type.
According to what we hear, loud noises from engine testruns without takeoffs is the norm these days at the said airbase. The last time that these motions were experienced, the NAF emerged with fifteen new F-7NI AirGuard jets.
We are told to believe that these are neither the nine combat helicopters being expected or the three C130s which are on the cusp of being returned to service.
Be reminded of the simultaneous construction and emplacement of ground equipment and/or hangars at Maiduguri, Makurdi, Sokoto, Minna and Benin. With the first four airbases, the FG suggested that they were being prepared for F7s but our men on the ground say ‘no more F7s…these are twin-engined affairs’
So what is it going to be – factory-refurbished and upgraded Su-27s(we’ll throw a party!), JF17 Thunder or L15 Falcon? Time will tell.
Beag one, this is very interesting. But, does it mean that the engines will be fixed here on the ground or are they spares? What if the jaguars are getting ready for lift off 🙂 ?
*kneels and pray* Oh Lord, let this new info be so true. Let twin-engine 4G interceptors/multi-role NAF fighters with Nigerian roundels, and fully armed, scream across our skies, protect our airspace, and shoot down any unfriendly boogies. Thank you, Lord, IJN I pray. Amen. *stands up*
Oga Beeg, please keep us posted oh.
I WILL BE PRAYING TONIGHT.
amen amen oya adura !!!!!!!
Amighty Father,
You are the God that called out things that were not into existence.
You are the God that parted the Red Sea and brought water out of the rock.
The hearts of kings and prices belong unto you and you turn them wherever you wish.
Please give our leaders (civilian/military) the fortitude to acquire sensible airframes to protect us.
Wake them up from this ‘deep slumber’ and ‘fake complacency’ into which they have descended.
Let the zeal for the progress of Nigeria consume them.
Remove this shame (of operating F7-Ni and Alfas) from us Oh Lord.
Let them acquire 4G+ platform, the likes of Sukhoi-27/30.
That our country may once again be soar in the sky like the Great eagle.
And our dear country Nigeria take her rightful place in the comity of nations.
Amen
Beeg, if this news is true, we will throw an ‘on-line/cyber’ party on this blog.
Amen !!
our politicians only serve the corrupt god of embezzlement. pray the Almighty will arrest their hearts first with vision and patriotism, and give NAF top brass contemporary mindset and focus.
Amen !!
Its a good one if it turns out to be true but what is wrong in Nigeria coming up with a defence contract for 60 jets, 6 destroyers and 8 frigates. This will send a very strong message to our friends not to mention our enemies. This our secrecy can rlly make someone die of hypertension trying to fathom out what’s new onboard.honestly oga beeg una dey try.
Agreed !! A comprehensive defense rearmament deal is necessary. Akin to the post apartheid south African 6 billion usd deal, that netted 3 submarines, 4 valor frigates, 28 gripens, hawk jet trainers, rooivalk attack helicopters, supposedly 100 leopard A2 etc.
As for the secrecy, it only serves to promote corruption and stifle the necessary debate, that would have prevented president OBJ’s embarrassing purchase of F-7NI’s.
Mek una all hope for da best 🙂
As a rule, we do not engage in banter with any ramblers backstage and this guy, evasive as he sounds, is as thrilled as anyone can be.
From the low end of the spectrum of possibilities to the possible highpoint…
– revived Jaguars – 97.5% new, 800km radius on internal fuel, 4.5 ton bombload..a decent step forward but at best a second-tier of FGA jets for us.
– Midpoint – JF17 Thunder(1,352km radius) and/or supersonic 4G L15 Falcon light attack jet. Novelty and mystery – first operator in Africa of both types
– the McCOY – factory upgraded Su-27s. 4,000km radius, 8 ton bombload. We set off the fireworks
– new Su-30s – we whip round for 10K each and throw a small party at Oga Eyimola’s place.
E reach like dat..
Lol…If we get new SU-30s I will personally lead the GEJ re election committee
Seconded.
Russ, you know quite a lot about the better side to the JF17 Thunder. I believe that its COTS capability which allows it to take on add-ons from everywhere is a good one.
However and in view of the reality all around us at this time, I believe that any jet which cannot do a minimum of 2,500km on internal fuel is not worth the fuss. We do not operate in-flight refuelling tankers, so we have to get a strategic core – even 8 units of Su-27s would do – and then we can shore up the numbers with the JF17s and revived Jags.
Mr. President, instead of all the know nothings you are putting in your cabinet, I give you Beegeagle for defense minister or at least NSA.
This is no joke.
Whomever you appoint, must display similar knowledge of internal and external military affairs and defense systems.
It is too important and serious a job to use to reward the party faithful.
In this day and age, knowledge, and competence is what is needed, and is clearly what is lacking in our governance.
Thanks.
SECONDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sometimes the dynamics of our political cloud falls usually around people with poor knowledge on their administered field. but come to think of it, y do we just appoint defence ministers anyhow without due considerations. We have capable ex generals biting and barking, who knows and understands what defence acquisitions means and stand for. In nigeria, Pual dike, azazi, saleh (senator) and hot beds and I know dey won’t settle for what we have now.
Beeg is well recommended for Dep Director Directorate of Procurement (DD-DOP) mod. He could come up wif military journals after well sorted agreement with military info dept. Emphasis shd be defence hardware analysis and procurement. I think With NSA, there lies many task wch are hardly streamlined down the ladder. You advise on general security concerns mainly passively where u get the usual responce-WE HAVE HEARD.
True talk general Doxiez, Mashall Beeg for defence minister.
Haaa…Doziex and cybergenerals! Una wan gimme oversized shoes be dat :).
Our Ogas at the TOP that I know of, namely Colonel(rtd) Dasuki and his defacto deputy, General(rtd) Sarkin-Yaki Bello are highly competent and experienced men. They earned their lofty perches, believe me. But in their roles, you need systematic backup and ‘kitchen cabinets’ to make your best, even better. No one knows it all. Everyone, everywhere could do with niche support. But surely, both men are eminently qualified to be where they are. TRUST ME..I know people who interface with them on a technical basis and they tell me this all the time.
Let me assure you that a trackrecord and technical nous are prerequisites for ascension to the high perch of NSA. Political party affiliation, unlike becoming Minister of Defence, has little to do with the technically driven ONSA. Check the antecedents – all retired Provost Marshal/Director Military Intelligence and/or former GOC/COAS/CDS. The first person to have broken this mould in its entirety is Colonel Dasuki.He must be outstanding then.
For his part, his defacto 2-i-c, General S-Y Bello had the office of Coordinator of Counterterrorism created for him as, wait for it, a SERVING officer. His outsanding performance both as JTF Commander in the Niger Delta and later as GOC 82 Division constituted the rights to ascension..nothing else – MERIT.
Beyond this our kind of awareness, you have to be at most, just one contact away from all Emirs, Obis, Obas, party chairmen, bank chairmen, the power elite, retired generals and all to regulate our very complex security landscape. Age works to put all of that together and “who be me for wia elders dey tok?”
One could best serve my country as an Assistant Director or Special Assistant on Procurement and Global Liaison UNDER the National Security Adviser or the Presidential Coordinator,Counterterrorism or at MoD BECAUSE we are fortunate to have the awareness while Beegeagle’s Blog has earned us some exceptionally formidable friends in the global defence, security and strategic studies community who would do our country a few favours because they are my friends.
@G8T Nigeria. How did that Benin event of April 6th go? Eager to hear from you here or at
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