SOURCE: PAKISTAN DEFENCE FORUM
I am surprised at the level of development.I hope our ship builders will still get to finish her here.The agreement did state she will sail from china to Nigeria for completion. So ultimately, it’s a good development.
The key thing is that,hopefully, future orders can be executed with Chinese help at our dock
Oga Drag_On, I share your sentiments also. The level of completion is already at an advanced stage. Anyway, Nigerian navy engineers had been with the chinese since the start of F-91, so we would have gotten a lot of valuable expertise.
Oga Beeg, any word on the 38 meters NNS Andoni2? The boat was supposed to have been launched in the middle of the year, possibly budgetary restrictions might have been hindering it’s launch.
Hmnn…I really hope not o. What manner of budgetary constraints yet again? If the Indonesians are churning out 44 metre KCR-40 missile craft at a unit cost of 7.98m USD, how much would a home-built 38 metre gun-armed patrol craft cost?
The difference is, the boats are built by indonesian companies, and not their government.
This is the major problem we have in nigeria. Government projects take forever to complete. Defence Manufacturing should a 100% private in nigeria, I do not believe a government run defence manufacturer can be sustainable or profitable.
Oga Henry, you have hit your head on the nail —( sorry i meant the other way round LOL). The likes of DICON, NAEME, NAF institute of technology should lead the way in the tech development since they are specialists. However, once the prototype is produced, and the Army, Airforce, Navy, Police etc. are ready to make a firm order, a private investor with experience in similar areas should be positioned to undertake the production e.g. Proforce for Armoured vehicles, Holt Marine or Nigerdock for Boats and ships, etc.
The production process can be done via a bonded production facility, owned by the private company but with all access and production overseen by the DSS.
Since the investment is backed by firm orders from the Armed forces, it would not be too difficult to get the banks to finance the required investment.
We would end up saving money, generating employment and keeping our armed forces well equipped at the same time.
This cannot be over emphasized.
In France Dassault which makes french warplanes is grossly subsidized by the state, the company works closely with the defence department and is protected and watched by french intelligence. It is a private company in paper, but in reality it looks like a state ran company. I think we should emulate the iranian model, since they started at the same level as us and with similar challenges.
For the OPV’s, I do not think our Lynx helicopters would be re-activated. Apperently F.G placed orders for at-least 2 chinese helicopters for the in-coming OPV’s.
Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan confirmed in 2012 that Nigeria will buy two 1800-ton OPV from China , and the annual defense budget includes 6.78 billion naira (Naira), equivalent to $ 42 million; the addition , order matching helicopters and related logistical components of the funding of 10.4 billion naira ($ 6.5 million).
Oga Henry, there are sources in Europe that published some years back around 2011, claiming NN shipped her Lynx ASW helicopters to an European nation, maybe Scotland I cannot remember. I guess they were to be reactivated there for a ship or purpose not mentioned.
Na go we hear o, we no hear come. I guess our Lynxes got ‘trapped’ there same way the contract to upgrade NAF MBB 339 to 4th generation combat aircraft with full night fighting capabilities superior to the Alpha Jets, got stuck since around 2006 we signed contract.
Why should good assets get trapped in the middle of repairs and upgrades?
There have also been plans since 2012 or earlier to send two more Super Puma helos stored since 1997 to Eurocopter Romania for refurbishment and upgrades. We appear to be stuck with the plans…so much movement, no motion.
Isn’t this the sad story with nigeria? Everyday, I go to bed wishing we have a defence industry comparable to what the south-africans have…. LOL.
Yeah, Oga Henry, GLOBAL SECURITY either wrote too soon or took the official line too seriously. The P18N OPVs did not cost US$42m. When the contract papers were initialled in April 2012 here in Nigeria, the contract sum was 24 BILLION NAIRA which translated to about US$155 million. I don’t know if that was for ship-helo pairing but that is a real possibility given the sensible quest for one-stop maintenance solutions.
When last the Pakistanis placed an order Chinese frigates, each F22P frigate-Z9 helicopter pairing cost US$175 million.
Yes oga Henry you are right, published Chinese reports say the two ships F91 and F92 have two Z-9 Harbin Naval helicopters coming with them as ordered. It’s a ray of hope that in an emergency, we could reconfigure the Z-9 helicopters into their ant-submarine warfare and anti-ship role by calling China to fly in extra hardware, weapons and engineers. The helicopters also have capability to carry machine guns and rockets like a light gunship, they can be up armed later if pirates begin to threaten, and we have to fly a fire team of SBS to be inserted on a troublesome pirate ship.
Some of these pirates can be audacious criminals, a pursuing OPV will signal them to stop and they keep running at 30 knots, making it hard for an OPV to catch up, daring the navy to open 76mm main gun fire to sink the ship, and they may have legitimate crew held as hostages on board. We could just use Z-9 to insert a team of Travor wielding naval men with the necessary tactics.
ATR-42 surveyor too carries cannon option to deal with pirates’ threat, but I think as usual Nigeria purchased the ones with no optional gun turret armament, as usual non-lethal or low-lethal is a ‘doctrine’.
International helicopter flying school Enugu holds it first graduation ceremony
A couple of years ago the South African Navy sent a warship off the coast of West Africa to show her number one geopolitical foe she means business and our Navy is incapable of stopping them, much like how Bill Clinton sent the U.S 7th fleet off the coast of Taiwan when the Chinese were lobbing missiles on Taiwanese waters and China couldnt do jackabout it. That was crude in my own respect, imagine Nigeria sending our Navy flagship NNS Thunder off the coast of Zimbabwe just to prove a point. South Africa is by far the richest and most technologically advanced country in Africa and also the most sophisticated on the social level, how on earth a man as crude as Jacob Zuma got to the seat of power and even win a second term is beyond me. What kind of a president have 6 wives?
In just 3 years after we were embarrassed and intimidated by the South African Navy we have built arguably one of the most powerful navy in sub-Saharan Africa. The NNS Thunder (which is the ship which has the longest endurance and capable of circumventing Africa twice ) was sent to Australia to partake in the International Naval expo in Australia, she was the only ship in the history of Africa to have sailed that far and was the only African representative. We’ve added to OPV to our inventory and have hosted an international Naval exercise. I dare the South African Navy to repeat such a feat in our own backyard. Our Navy has grown in leaps and training has been excellent.
I don’t think we are in this kind of competition with S.Africa. I don’t accept the reasoning that the S.African Navy sailed a ship into West Africa just to intimidate us and even if they did, the restricted use NNS Thunder is the most incapable platform to threaten them with. Your views about Jacob Zuma has my 100% support on many levels, his polygamous status being the least of them. I disagree with your frequent suggestions of an expansionist agenda for Nigeria. We don’t really need all that stuff to feel good with ourselves. Really, think about it.
I think the period you refer to was after the Ivorian elections. South Africa was there to protect it business assets not to show off, just like the sent troops to CAR because of their Mining firms
Coast of landlocked Zimbabwe?
I suspect that all specialized welding works and hull proofing,plus propulsion system is already largely done ( for it to sail all the way from China to Port harcourt), What is intended to be done in Nigeria would be quaters partitioning,armament and specialized communications ( satcoms e.t.c).is it that we intend to install some type of Radar system/comms system that the vendor will not agree to install in Chinese territory? are there plans for an upgrade that needed to be done away from prying western eyes? There have been talks of western type radar and Chinese radar ( both with strong implication for armament possibilities in the future)………Concerning the helix the navy already has allocated resources to tokunbo helicopters before…..we might all be surprised and see something quite new from the least expected source.
My thinking as well. Doing the remnant works in Nigeria provides an opportunity to sneak anti ship missiles, SAMs and good CIWS systems onboard ke.
Britain maybe, America definitely not.
U know what will make a statement? 4ships being unveiled to Nigerians ,NNS Cetenary, NNS Okpabana, Yet to be named NNS F92 and NNS Andoni 2 with the Zarbin 9 helos den we do a live fire test to show capability, oh boi nw uwill get everyones attention, Greater deals ahead with China.
Does the NN have any plans to acquire the Chinese Type 054A jiangkai II frigate? It is an area air defense frigate with ASW, ASS and cruise missile capability!! If NN gets ( 4) of the Type 054A frigates the offshore oil and gas assets are secured and the entire coast line from air, submarine, and ship based attack. Just allocate 2 each to western naval and eastern navel command.
if NN acquires these in the right quantity (4) — NN becomes a bonafide modern blue water navy. No real need to acquire more surface ships. the next area it will need to focus will be developing submarine capacity.
Don’t mean to derail the thread. …………Trending:
Russia will deliver six Mi-35 military transport helicopters and six Mi-17 multipurpose helicopters to Nigeria.
According to the source, the first batch of helicopters to be delivered in 2015.
It’s like for now NAF is receiving previous orders!
Wow Thank you very much oga obix not to sound ungrateful but can you sneak inside one of those helios to make sure they can fly at night ( FLIR) and have heat signature sensors?. if you are questioned just tell your Ruskie friends that that your oga on top sent you now that everyone is singing Kumbaya over there.
Ah, just 12? What happened to the 40 to be ordered? Are this being done for 2014, then this are 2015 own pls help clarify.
I just gave confirmed snippets. I understand we are going for new choppers, so deliveries are expected in 2015. I guess an official announcement would come in the coming days.
New is better. There was no way 40 new choppers were going to come in two months anyway. We should wait till 2015. Meanwhile every night fighting capable chopper should be acquired for removing the Boko Haram menace before December.
*night capable second hand chopper*
General Beegie, please all pictures on this site need to be watermarked, as in perfectly watermarked. The copy and paste masters are here.
Another snippet: Yesterday, an Antonov-124 ‘Ruslan’ plane with two units of modern T-84U tanks from Ukraine was to leave for Nigeria….Unfortunately, the plane had technical problems and the delivery was halted. The news has reached the streets of Ukraine and the people are wondering why Ukraine should export tanks at this time when their army don’t have enough……..The tanks are still at the airfield waiting to be loaded………I’m still following the story.
“The news has reached the streets of Ukraine and the people are wondering why Ukraine should export tanks at this time when their army don’t have enough”
That is so funny. Just like Nigeria has troops and helicopters in Darfur, but are seriously challenged for both at home.
Business and politics.
Yeah, sounds funny. But this could be part of a long sealed contract……
Do you know what version we are getting ?
One of the T-84 ‘Oplot’ series. But i can’t confirm if it’s the ‘Oplot’ or the more modern ‘Oplot-M’ version. But i was told it’s the “most modern”.
You know you are actually confirming oga bigbrov ‘s story about the new TANKS.
this really means the f.g. is gearing for one one hell of an acquisition and offense posture.
F92 should be named any of the following
NNS DORA K
NNS ARADU 2
NNS DORA K
The Nigerian Navy / Army/ Airforce have never named anything after a Nigerian women and yes I am unashamedly biased : Everyone always remembers the first
This is a mighty good idea.
I agree, NNS DORA sounds like a befitting name.
Shoots on the move.
On-line source to back up oga obix info.
I know how the Ukrainian public must feel. Local politics may stop our tanks from arriving for many weeks.
I sincerely hope not! I vote the T-84 oplot as a good buy.
I also understand the frustration of the Ukrainians. If I were in their position, I’ll also be bewildered by this export.
Anyway, I do sincerely hope these MBT’s are delivered as scheduled. We are in desperate need of modern MBTs in our military.
We are in desperate need of tanks.They are in desperate need of money.if they do not pay Russia $1.5b , Russia will turn the tap of,they are not like the nigerians wey dey give 90 day credit. I believe this is part of a larger shipment,we know tanks have been arriving, the expectation is that these tanks should be shipped
I cant wait to see this ship in Nigeria. I am sure it will be a sight to behold.
No word on the combat ship which China gifted Nigeria but the tight veil of secrecy drawn around it assures me that she is something as substantial as a Type 53 frigate
What is the position with NNS Century aka F90 (the first chinese built P18N vessel) and NNS OKpabana aka F91.(the second ex USCG Hamilton Class vessel)- any word? Furthermore any word on the Turkish ship/boat that was allegedly transferred/gifted to our Navy.
Oga Beegz- please don’t laugh but all the secrecy around the combat ship donated to the Nigerian Navy might mean that it is a Type 53 H3 Frigate or better still a Type 054 Frigate. Stranger things have happened.
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