Nigeria special forces commandos training in India
CAJ NEWS
8 July, 2015
Abuja
A delegation of the composite Indian Defence Industry has visited the Nigeria Defence Headquarters in Abuja to establish a defence relationship between the two countries. The visit by the 15-man delegation was a follow-up to the Joint Defence Co-operation Committee meeting (JDCC) held last year.
CAJ News established that there were presentations that gave insight into the capabilities of the Indian Defence Industry and its benefits to the Nigerian military during the visit.
Speaking at the visit, the leader of the delegation,Ravin Kulshrestha, thanked the Nigerian military for its warm reception. He noted that the two countries needed to take a step to a higher level of defence production through various institutional mechanism of defence co-operation in the various areas of mutual interest.
In their presentations, the delegates, who are representatives of different indigenous member industries of the Indian Defence Industry, presented a variety of defence products that showcased the country’s indigenization of the industry.
This included state of the art,mature and obsolescent defence systems, design, development, repair, overhaul and manufacture of aircraft, helicopters, ships, missiles, vehicle armour, special applications, engines, simulators, defence construction,sensors and bridging systems.
The Nigerian Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Alex Badeh, expressed appreciation for the presentation and encouraged them to interact more closely with the three arms of the Armed Forces in their area of interest.
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The CDS’ expression is not encouraging to me
That’s an understandably lukewarm expression coming from someone on the way out. I dont understand this guys vision for the arms he is supposed to be leading.need some intervention on the Jaguars. We should be interested in field artillery systems and aeronautical engineer training.
If only we had patriotic policy makers..How many times did the CAS visit Pakistan? The Military has no vision as far as I am concerned. Of what use is the Command and Staff College? There is no reason why we should not have an Air Defence system in 2015!! No reason why our troops wear over 8 camoflague shades on operations. No reason why we still haven’t started producing an IFV when we have Proforce Ltd. No reason why we still import APCs..the military is a real sorry state..If we don’t raise our military spending and get rid of the old brass, we will never win the war agains terrorism.
Oga Tobey, you are right. Nigeria is due for locally made IFV.
President Buhari should please appoint a new defence minister that has passion for the job, technical expertise in modern military hardware, basic knowledge of modern warfare/modern war history and burning love for Nigeria’s defence glory to shine again.
That job is not for settling political friends. Minister for defence is a very technical job, if he knows nothing about modern weapons, the military chiefs will take advantage of him and dribble him around like they did to Goodluck Jonathan till they and civilian ministers/advisers ruined his career.
Nigeria should start local production of a simple and cheap Infantry Fighting Vehicle. Team up Nigerian army engineers, INKAS company, and Proforce company. Let them derive and design based on army needs/specs and develop it.
Proforce has built a new LAV as beautiful as the Otokar Cobra. Rwanda has sent a presidential delegation to evaluate Proforce armoured vehicles. Nigeria can beat any competitor with lower export prices for low budget African countries.
30 mm cannon and 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun, 3 smoke/aerosol dischargers, 2 ATGM missiles and 1 AGL explosive grenade options, day/night vision periscope, infra red headlights, 100 km/hr speed, 600 km range, all round armour against small arms and shrapnel, and Nigeria has built a world standard medium sized IFV for about $500,000 per unit. For 500 units we spend just $250 million and Nigerian army will eat up our enemies with ease. Export market is huge in Africa when you come cheap with price.
Buhari should not fail where others fell flat.
but is dat for real,cos I hv gone through there gallery but found nothing
Oga giles, only you has not found it, maybe Proforce website does not like your nice face.
It’s all there, almost 60 photos, 55 in slide show gallery need to click. About 10 on front page slide show images, including huge truck armoured vehicles that can be field armoured mobile hospitals or battlefield command and control/communications center.
Proforce has made an LAV/APC as decent as the Otokar Cobra, proudly Nigerian, never mind the imported engine/chassis.
Akash 35 km range anti-aircraft missile systems…..how far? Buying from India?
NA has Bofors FH-77 artillery and needs upgrade to 52 cal and 43 km range….how far? Do upgrade in India.
NAF has 17 units of 3rd gen Jaguar jets….how far? Sell to India, and use the money to buy 6 units of 4th gen fighters for NAF.
Stop all this game of finding fault with every jet in the market, JF-17 untested, is the ATAK helicopter or Textron Scorpion tested? Su-30 Flanker expensive, is any good jet fighter ever cheap?
“NAF has 17 units of 3rd gen Jaguar jets….how far? Sell to India, and use the money to buy 6 units of 4th gen fighters for NAF.”
india will not buy any more additional jaguars that is a given.
it already has 120+ jaguars in-hand .
all it is going to do is upgrade it and re-engine it with a more powerful engine.
better option upgrade the jags and used it for ground interdiction mission.
it will be worth every penny i assure u.
by the way r the mothballed jags in serviceable condition?
another option get the indian private defence companies to invest in nigeria.
might get unexpected results.
All Nigerian Jaguar jet pilots are either dead or successful chicken / tomato farmers now.
I would have thought it a good idea to buy a squadron from Indian store k of upgraded Jaguars. You need to give up some anyway to accommodate Rafales.
why not buy brand new?
HAL manufactures it totally.
also between u and me i really dont understand the need for 2nd hand equipments, especially aircrafts and helis.
how many years do u really expect to fly these 2nd hand platforms.
waste of money if u ask me.
the cost towards spares ,maintenance, upgrades and total life cycle cost outruns the cost of a brand new platform.
i can understand time critical purchase of platforms but these are a small fraction only.
Oga lachit, I won’t assume India won’t buy NAF’s almost brand new jaguars at an attractive price unless Indian air force says so. You are just assuming like I am doing.
*I won’t conclude*
Not a friend of the CAS but I understand his lukewarm attitude, with the extensive help Pakistan gave Nigeria and continues to give Nigeria. The Outgoing CAS is just threading the needle notwithstanding however this is a relationship that needs to be enhanced especially in terms of our bofors
had the same view 😀
but was reluctant to voice it here
but with buhari things might change
but with regard to india this wont change anything she will still be searching for markets all over africa.
she already has a significant presence in vehicles , MRO ,radar ,miscellaneous electronics subsystems.
if u want to upgrade the bofors,
as of now it can be upgunned to 45 calibre only, but the electronic upgrade is top of the line.
everything is digitzed from loading to laying, firing and fire correction.
or u could go for the BHARAT-52 from kalyani, 52 calibe gun, delivery starts withen 1-2 months (max) of order and 30% cheaper than similiar systems.
anyway this is my own opinion.
sorry not *delivery* ,i meant production run
Army guide website is talking of Bofors 52 cal upgrade possibility.
Artillery is a pretty strong area for Nigeria and hence not priority against Book Haram. The Jaguar jets are though.
52 calibre upgrade for bofors exists but u will need UKs approval because bofors is now owned by BAE
Mr. Lachit, sorry to change the topic but I just read that some of your soldiers participating in the COIN “Ajeya Warrior” excercise were involved in an accident here. My heart goes out to them.
Let me get back to you GUYS on the BOFORS upgrade
OGA AUGUSTINE do you have a link
OGA TOBEY
Though not a fan of the current CDS in FAIRNESS to him he has pushed the uav projects as much as he can it is up to the curreent administration to see the POTENTIAL of in house production
In fairness to GEJ we got the IGIRIGI and despite the small NUMBERS has proved itself in battle,
Also we have the NN ANDONI, however despite being on the same page with you about CONSTRUCTIVE critque of our Generals it is up to this current ADMINISTRATION to provide the funds for the IN HOUSE PRODUCTION, this is something that the GENERALS cannot do.
http://www.punchng.com/news/nigeria-egypt-must-team-up-against-extremism-envoy/
What do you guys think?
Supported.
That El Sisi is no sissy. We can have a Tough General to Tough General thing going.
We can share training, best practices and joint exercises.
Egypt has a bigger problem with their Sinai Insurgency currently being perpetrated by insurgents loosely aligned to Muslim Brotherhood which is deeply ingrained in their society and is a bona fide political organization if we examine it from the moral standpoint. So, their mountain is higher from the military standpoint. However defence cooperation could bring an exchange of ideas on how military operations should be undertaken, officer exchange programmes and so on.
Although Egypt is faced with an Islamic rebellion, and with fractured, lawless Libya next door, it face serious internal and external threats Islamists. But question is, what are we going to learn from the Egyptians? The Egyptian army doesn’t appear to be faring any better than NA is doing at the moment in terms of ‘containment’ of attacks by Islamic extremists. While it might help to share intelligence with Egypt given the possibility the may have actionable intel about Libyan groups aligned to ISIS given Boko Haram’s growing ties with IS, outside this, there is very little else we could learn from Egypt.The Egyptians are currently grappling with terror groups in the Sinai peninsula which is responsible for carrying out major strikes on Egyptian military bases, and mainly targeting security personnel in their own homes. Only recently, IS called for terror strikes on Egyptian tourist and holiday spots.
I think we should draw closer to countries who in the recent past successfully fought and contained full-blown terror conflicts and long drawn insurgency based on guerrilla warfare. We should be getting closer to countries like Algeria and Angola and the NA should be thinking of some kind of exchange training programmes and joint military exercises. Egypt is just grappling with the same things we are and are unlikely to have what we need at the moment, that is learning from countries who practically have written their own rule book on how to successfully combat an insurgency
http://www.punchng.com/news/troops-arrest-mastermind-of-jos-zaria-bombings/
Very Cautiously I am going to say GOOD NEWS
It appears the DSS is getting back to doing what it should be doing that is securing Nigeria..
This is from te def blog.
I intend to write an in depth Article on COIN AND THE DSS.
More like DMI worked this not DSS.
http://tribuneonlineng.com/soldiers-arrest-mastrerminds-jos-zaria-terrorist-attacks
Oga beegs, pls start a new CT-COIN update page..so we don’t go off topic on threads with specific issues.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201507080905.html
Many people doubt India’s capability of designing and manufacturing complete MIC/ weapons systems but few doubt India’s capability as a weapon system integrator. The Jags and MKI are testimonial to that. So are our naval weapon systems.
The integration of choice able sub-system in a weapons platform is achieved by both the buying capacity and the technical powers to do it yourself. As both of it would mean seller can’t have ‘take it or leave it’ attitude.
It’s well known that a weapons buyer not just only purchases the weapon system but also services beyond it. Like watching the buyer’s back. To be more precise a ‘veto’ at UNSC if any unfortunate time arrives.
So, it always pays (more) to be buying from any of the P5s, than from others.
But, that doesn’t end the possibility of co-operation of Nigerian and Indian companies in defence sectors.
We can start from sub-component level rather than platform level. We can start at MRO and upgrades. This would ensure you don’t offend any other country.
For example India had upgraded ZSU-23-2 and Bofors L-40 60/70 locally. You may look into that. Also look at Bofors FH77B upgrade to 45cal. Or look at the explosive detection kit, in which a firm in USA too was interested. Examples are many so are avenues of co-operation. It’s naïve to think there will be no opportunities, just that we have to start small.
Ravin Kulshrestha? Is that you lachit 😀 🙂
if i had been him i would have by now tracked u all down for free booze 😀
Jos bombing mastermind arrested
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/186325-how-mastermind-of-jos-zaria-bombings-was-arrested-military.html
UNRELATED
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/186356-buhari-chooses-to-be-neutral-as-nigeria-abstains-from-crucial-un-vote.html
This is the first CRUCIAL step that this administration has had to face and there are more hurdles between the East and the West.
It is called threading the needle with what in essence is appearing to be extensive ties with both Russia and the US This was the SENSIBLE alternative.
Good and reasonable choice. However, herein lies the challenge. Keep up this independent minded approach and watch your new found love affair with the West go up in smoke.
Governance no easy!!!
This is why the drive for economic and military independence is key.
It is not impossible that our UN Rep didn’t know which way to vote and abstained as the most sensible way out; since there is still no foreign minister, no foreign policy and therefore, no diplomatic framework in place.
some times folks forget that in most cases Nigeria ministers are ceremonial. why will you think the ambassador didn’t get directives from the perm sec who in turn who have contacted the presidency.
Oga saleh, perm secs are just bureaucrats, they can’t give directives on foreign policy. Someone else has to set policy, take the initiative and formulate an agenda; only then can the perm sec chug into action like a cog in the machine.
Ministers set policy?. Idle theory. This is what they learn in civic studies in secondary school. From experience, in every administration only about 10% of the Ministers know the meaning of the expression “set policy” only about 5% actually get to do that . In the blast admin only five technocratic minister actually set policy. A technocratic minister is a glorified civil servant so we are losing nothing now with Perm. Secs. During Gowon’s regime, almost all ministers with the exception of Awolowo , Enahoro were idle , “where do in sign” bench warmers. We had super perm secs doing the job. They designed and implemented the national development plans that gave Nigeria an economic growth rate of 12% per annum. So ”make policy” is a nice buzz word but what it means from experience in the context of Nigeria’s ministers is not much.
Oga Are James, so which of these “super perm secs” set our foreign policy that we could tailor UN votes against?
Foreign policy is the context of this discussion. Civil servants are bureaucrats, they don’t create policy.
I am not sure what to make of your argument. You are indirectly implying that Nigerians are incapable of creating policy, therefore there is no need for ministers.
That is dangerous ground for enough reasons (cultural, social, psychological etc). Please rethink that position carefully.
The story of super perm secs doing the job of ministers is also somewhat reckless and without backing.
For once in a long while, Nigeria does the right thing, our interest first, not thing that do not concern us.
Which concerns us more getting thing from the east ( Dreams of SU30, T72s, maintenance and spares )or voting to make a statement about a conflict which happened long ago, we do not know the exact origins. The west vetoed calling Rwanda a genocide and are after President and Chief security officer of Rwanda who were key to stopping the killing.
What the government is doing to fight Boko Haram
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/186339-what-we-are-doing-to-end-boko-haram-insurgency-buhari.html
We should not only be thinking about grease, brawn and production of guns for military collaboration with India.
Electronics is a very fundamental area of modern technology, whether for military or civilian purposes. It is one area in which Nigeria lacks that will benefit from possible collaboration with India, who have made impressive strides by patiently following a deliberate, radical plan the success of which has made them self reliant in electronic warfare; they also produce cutting edge radar systems, numerous electronic aids for weapons systems etc.
In the 60’s India set up an electronics think tank called the Bhabha committee (headed by Dr. Homi Jehangir Bhabha, father of India’s nuclear research program) to create a path for the country to become self reliant in electronics.
Nigeria will do well to collaborate with India principally to follow the same steps as the Bhabha committee (but with improvements based on a study of India’s current weaknesses – more later). It is a proven path.
The Bhabha committee’s work can be summed up as:
1. Reduce foreign collaboration in the development of an indigenous resources, because they introduce weaknesses in the form of obsolete techniques, obsolete equipment and obsolete production methods. These tend to leave the recipient country decades behind with no chance of catching up and being forever dependent on advanced countries.
2. Skip all steps taken to acquire technology by advanced countries, instead acquire the latest techniques, equipment and production methods available internationally. This is to ensure that the country can catch up and compete.
3. Create a home grown electronics industry that “will have built within it the capacity to pioneer and develop so that dependence on foreign assistance will have been completely eliminated within ten years.”
4. To become self-sufficient in the manufacture of a variety of computers within ten years. Medium and high speed computer systems were expected to be produced within ten years.
India’s weaknesses in electronics field are poor R&D synergy between industry and universities, a lack of semiconductor policy, poor electricity supply, quality of manufactured components, weak quality control of the path from prototype to ready product. Other weaknesses are lack of land, skilled workforce, investment, stable electricity and stable water supply.
If we collaborate with India in electronics, Nigeria will need to be ready to target the above areas for heavy investment (money and sweat) so as not to be hampered by the same weaknesses in the future. We can also add (in Nigeria’s case) a weak educational system which has a curriculum that is antithetical to national pride and development.
Indeed, we can create a win-win situation for both countries by committing to plug infrastructural loopholes in a joint strategy with in our collaboration with India. As for a skilled workforce, we have more than enough highly skilled Nigerians abroad; almost all of whom are ready to sacrifice for the progress of Nigeria.
India can collaborate with Nigeria to lay the groundwork, but the drive to succeed will have to come out of Nigeria. Some strategic areas that would require well integrated R&D attention from a serious Nigeria, fixated on a path to technological development are:
materials research (future super materials like graphene etc), polymer based devices, opto-electronics, CMOS, III-V compound semiconductors, spintronics, micromechanical systems (MEMS and Bio-MEMS), solar photovoltaics, nanoelectronic devices etc.
R&D in the above areas will put Nigeria on a world class pedestal. Our economic/technological growth path would be steep, predictable and very sustainable, it would raise the profile of our military industrial complex as well generate a tonne of military and civilian spinoffs.
India has done it, so we can. Collaborating with India in this way (if they are willing) can teach Nigeria how to succeed and still remain independent.
Oga Lachit, Are your military / armament industry strictly Indian Govt owned or Military run, their was no mention of the private sector or business entrepreneur in this discussions, The Igirigi is there and because of low production rate must be costing a bum per unit, The military’s business is not in production of equipment ( it is utilization), they lack the commercial and economical input to make it run ( like the US, UK and the West, whom has been so successful based on private business programs). the delegation would have been better visiting Proforce and the rest, DICON is a good example of producing nothing tangible for close to 50 years and when they did they did produce inovative items, they did not get the support or drive to be competitive in their area due to lack of support, finance and drive. Does the Indian Army produce it’s own equipment against all commercial and economical reasoning. Tata Government owned as well ?
nothing is military run
it is divided into govt owned and run sector and recently the private sector
indian army produces nothing substantial on its own. they do have workshops/depos were some some low level work is carried out.
tata is totally private.
Sorry to say guys, i have lost faith and confidence in this country.. No amount of my patriotism will change things. We are saying one thing here, out there on the ground, we could be in another world for all they care. Never in my life have i witnessed such a nonchalant and callous attitude towards war, its beyond ridiculous now.
Shuuooo!
Guy what changed to warrant such a precipitate declaration since the last time you spoke here?
This is very true. It is becoming some big joke. Patriots dream of National greatness but the flotsam at the top the only thing they think of is self.
Oga Oje, you wouldn’t have posted this if you had truly lost faith. All you are doing is showing disenchantment (which can be a responsible reaction). Our people are dying like flies every single day now.
At some point in life, each of us is swayed by glitter. There’s nothing wrong with that also, it is human. It takes a brave person to freely admit that they were taken in by dross.
PMB (why do I always think of private mailbox when I hear PMB) while receiving the Chibok girls campaign group to the state house, lamented the current state of the Nigerian military. I’m thinking, is this a sign of something good? Should we be excited? Because if the president starts talking about the sorry state of the armed forces in full glare of the media, there are always too possibilities: Politics, or he is being honest. In this case, if it is merely politics in order to lay the blame on someone else should things go belly up as they always do, then there is nothing to be excited about. But if PMB (GMB sounds a little more aggressive,angry and determined than PMB which appear tame and subdued, anyway what is in a name?) is being honest, and trying as it appears to say that Nigerian military has been so neglected it has become almost impossible to perform its constitutional roles, or to the contain the least of challenges, such as we currently have when we compare to BH attacks to what the Nigerian military may likely encounter in a full-blown civil war or an external aggression, then we should expect some concrete changes.
The president, according to a recent press release by US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, PMB will visit the White House on July 20. In same press release, it was mentioned that the US may consider giving Nigeria lethal weapons to combat Boko Haram. While it is quite annoying that we have to go cap-in-hand begging for all manners of assistant from both Western and African countries, what we should be excited about is that the president has openly expressed anger at the neglect of the Nigerian military. This is simply unusual for a Nigerian president to express such open sentiment and what is even more important is that the press and Nigerians will hold it against him if he fails to modernise, equip, upgrade, and reform the military to bring up its capabilities to present day challenges.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/07/bring-back-our-girls-buhari-laments-state-of-nigerias-military/
Also
Outgoing British High Commissioner said ‘Chibok Girls were located at some point possibly by British Surveillance assets deployed in Nigeria on the request of ex president, GEJ. He went on to say about 50 to 80 of the girls were sighted but it was practically impossible to rescue them because of the substantial risks involved both to the girls and the rescuers. This confirms what one of the army chiefs and president Jonathan said sometime in 2014 that ‘We know where the Chibok girls are’…but it appeared no one believed what the said, and the British and the Americans kept quiet about it. This just shows there was a lot going on during the hunt for the Chibok girls kidnappers that Nigerians didn’t know or didn’t believe. Poor Gej, that chibok girls palaver completely killed his political career.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201507080905.html
New weapons shopping list of Nigerian military to acquire western origin weapons/equipment now ready and submitted to President Buhari for passage to G-7 nations.
– News update.
http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathans-response-to-chibok-girls-kidnap-poor-buhari/
Based on this new development which I predicted would happen and has made me go silent on procurement options….
I would say uncertainty now surrounds JF-17, Su-30, Su-25, T-84 Oplot, etc
Doors may re-open for F-16, Textron Scorpion, Super Tucano, Cobra Helicopters, Chinnook helicopters, armed drones. The ATAK helicopter may be on the way coming with ease.
We may also see requests to re-open deals for cheap second hand surplus US Army Humvees.
This is the most probable prediction of all. Humvies mounted with recoiled rifles, MRAPs, flak jackets, super accurate mortars, NVG and battlefield C3 equipment we might get for cheap or as donation . US supplied technology can end the Boko Haram war very quickly
For heavier and more strategic needs however, we should think more globally with the US just being one of the options to be considered.
Exactly.
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Forget it..The U.S won’t sell us F-16s. Even if they could, they can shove it up for all I care. Are we forgetting how the Brits grounded 2 squardrons of Jagaurs when we fell out of favour with them? Ground attack jets that would have obliterated all BH strongholds by now and probably won us the conventional phase of this war!? Right now, what the NAF needs is Close Air Support assets. Fighter jets are only effective if they have PGMs. The Super Tucano was our surest bet, but we let it slip away. 2 squadrons of the Tucanos in Yola would have put the heat on BH.. Brazil is semi-neutral, afterall it sold military equipment to Iraq in the 1980s. Let’s quit this ass-kissing. We don’t want U.S made equipment.
Period.
Therein lies our problem my brother. We apparently never learn.
Matter closed.
Na watch i go just dey watch.
The Tucano though stamped with “Made in Brazil” is practically a US machine.
Nigeria is cursed with leaders, or should i say rulers, who refuse to listen.
The falcon has taken flight and refuses to listen to the whistles of the falconer.
Our rulers continue to grovel at the feet of the west.
The U.S , U.K and the west will disappoint them once again.
As for me and my household, mum is the word, i don tire to dey talk.
So the question now becomes: what happens in future when we elect a president who fails to bow to western interests? Answer: We will have a huge junk-yard of western equipment.
Na today? My Oga Deway ! Anything new in that? Wastage is not new to our culture.
Doors may re-open for F-16, Textron Scorpion, Super Tucano, Cobra Helicopters, Chinnook helicopters, armed drones. The ATAK helicopter may be on the way coming with ease.
F16 – This is an multi purpose air supperiority fighter and would tilt the regional balance against the French interest ( just like the accidental sale of the Jaguar) – No show
Textron – an Alpha jet on steroids ( “lead in” training aircraft with light ground support capabilities), no weapon tests ever conducted, offers not protection against ground fire, Cost a Bum compared with a highly efficient SU25 mud killer, Lacks performance to engage any front line fighter – Poor choice and low aircraft/ theatre evaluation/selection, somebody watching too many movies or reading to many magazines.
Cobra Helicopters – Would need more maintenance due age if second hand, does not go any where the capabilities of the Turkish manufactured T129 ( except the Honey well engines which the US can veto), waste of money or someone wants to make money.
Armed Drones – We are doing well with China, who are the only one to have sold armed drones to other nations, the US would not sell any effective armed drone by senate veto to people still rated as just above vagabonds, ( may be observation /civil grade drones). Why ditch China, when they are offering additional capabilities
We may also see requests to re-open deals for cheap second hand surplus US Army Humvees.
Humvees – too expensive to buy for the same capability provided by the Pro-force and Igirigi, carries less persons (4 – max of 5), design does not fit easily into our road network width, would be bugged down in an other region of Nigeria except the Northern area. cost a ton of money ( which is not readily available due economical climate), requires serious funding a logistic line of support for a secondary support equipment, not an armament on it’s own and just creating jobs, for the boys in Detroit a waste of resources to support it , even if it is free, go buy easily maintained vehicles. I am sure not a lot of us here drive American Vehicles due to maintenance cost and reliability ( either Japanese engines or German), This thing are not well though out ideas.
Tucano is Brazilian, the engine ‘s are American and would be vetoed by the Senate,
we are meant to be brought to our knees and talked down to as obedient Vassals, BH was expected to have achieved that, with Nigeria in turmoil, how would we remain the number one economy, who would remain to threaten the West’s market share ( France & Co) market and products in the ECOWAS region ( which has now spread to Central & East Africa), why is Peugeot straining, how many do you see on the road know a days compared with 10 years ago, I love the West for not ever losing their Focus, once a nation has been declared to be brought down, Go ask the American Indians, Go ask Ghadaffi even after he made peace and paid so much. Old Mugabe with all his bad styles know what he is doing, Kagame of Burundi, etc.
To the Good old Western politicians, we are a still a nation of Jungle bunnies ( not to be said in public because it is no longer politically correct), Why would Obama rather send for the Nigerian President then visit like he is doing in other countries who did not have a successful election against all odds ? The Senate would not permit any sales of those equipment mentioned, no matter how much we wish naively imagine or s wish, really how many US weapon /equipment does the Nigerian Military display, apart from the Naval ships that are rigged to send the communication via US listening post before reaching Naval head quarters. Does it have to take Rwanda to so interest in made in Nigeria IFV before we believe in ourselves ?
The attraction of the Moth to the Flame that would eventually destroy it
Boko Haram willing to release Chibok girls in exchange for detainees
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/09/boko-haram-willing-to-release-chibok-girls-in-exchange-for-detainees/
Let Nigeria say yes to prisoner exchange, let Buhari agree and we want to see if the Chibok girls really exist. They have not been found in the whole of Nigeria.
Are the 200 girls hidden inside Zuma rock? Olumo rock? The moon? Chad? Cameroon? Niger? Central African Republic? Sudan? ……and the girls have never had the chance to run away in a foreign country by telling neighbours they are Nigerian Chibok girls that the whole world is looking for? None found a policeman or good Samaritan in the foreign lands to tell their story to and seek guidance on how to reach Nigerian embassy or fellow West African immigrants? Are the girls’ brains that dull? They wrote WAEC exams.
Shekau III said he has sold them off one year ago, so how is he gathering them back together from where they live with their husbands? Re-purchase or cancelled lease/hire purchase agreement? In Islam you cannot take back a legal wife unless the husband divorces her.
I want Presido Buhari to say yes to prisoner swap deal with Boko Haram and let’s see if 200 Chibok girls really exist, until then, we have to keep guessing they exist as we were told.
Another LOCAL about to happen. Provided the Nigerian govt remains a maga, the Bokos will forevere scam us. Release 16 leaders for 200+ ghost girls. Since the school authorities and BBOG organisation don’t know the exact number of “girls” abducted, how can we sure that they were all released and there won’t be another demand for prisoner swap next month?
What i will say about this Chibok saga is this, Do you guys denying this incident took place even after the Government acknowledge it, wants every one to believe that a government would want to make itself look inept on purpose? I mean, the Government should be the one denying this, if they thought it didn’t happen, because acknowledging that it does means a failure on there part, and such incident can’t make any government look good.
So why would they acknowledge this, while some on this blog still doubt it happened?
You know more than the government of Nigeria? Just wondering.
Doesn’t matter to me if some girls are from Chibok or not, all i know is there are people in captivity with that group.
And the girls showed in Boko video didn’t come from space, they belong to some people.
Oga Sir Kay, about 1,000 people mostly women, girls, and children were liberated from Sambisa forest, and several dozens of girls, young girls whom we hoped were a Chibok batch, were liberated from Gwoza, even an escapee woman who gave the info to NA said she believed they were a batch from Chibok moved from somewhere to Gwoza caliphate HQ.
Lo and behold, all ID of all captives liberated from age 1 to age 100 years, none of them has the ID of a Chibok girl that FG was given. Where dem day na? Moon? Chad?
It’s a mystery nobody has solved, but hey bros, 200 girls do not vanish like vapour, even if you split them, they have the brain of WAEC candidates to escape after 1 whole year with a husband in one town somewhere in Africa, they know how to tell people their story even if in Sudan…..”I am one of the girls missing on #BringBackOurGirls world campaign”…..you will get a sympathizer, even the husband they sold you to will not be at peace to keep you.
No proof of Chibok girls not existing, but no proof they also exist. The girls in the Shekau video, were they up to 200 ? No. Were they positively identified by their parents from the you tube video? No, or not to our knowledge. Any girl can be displayed as a Chibok girl.
Let us do prisoner swap now, let’s see if the girls will appear and parents will ID their own one by one. Shekau III if you have them, prove it !
The FG surely denied it, claiming it was a set up (which is now clear to all that it was). How many people do you find believing that story these days?
The FG only began to play along when it became clear that it was an international campaign with Western leaders joining the #BringBackOurGirls Twitter revolution. If the FG had not played along, it might well have become a full frontal collision which Nigeria is better of avoiding.
Of all the girls in Shekaus video, on three were recognised as coming from Chibok, and even that claim cannot be proven because it seems pretty difficult to trace the Chibok girls parents. It is claimed that about 300 girls were kidnapped, yet no more than 30-40 parents have ever been photographed at any event. 30-40 parents would yield only about 15-20 children of WAEC age.
Aside the parents being so hard to trace, they seem to be pretty calm about the loss too. There are no law suits, no demonstrations. Nothing.
If the Chibok kidnapping happened, then no more than 15-20 girls were kidnapped (perhaps a maximum of 60). If 57 have “escaped,” then logically there is no Chibok girl in captivity. The 300 number is almost certainly false.
Na wash.
300+ GIRLS WRITING WAEC PHYSICS EXAM IN A NORTHERN VILLAGE SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Even the mighty Queens College can’t field that number of candidates. Just wondering how come the school authorities / WACE don’t have the list of candidates that enrolled for the exams, abi they no dey sign attendance for the school??
The clownish “Principal na only you waka come?” was meant to be “How come you are the only one here, where are the parents???
Another bomb blast (Yola). 3 injuries, thankfully, no deaths.
http://www.nigeriannewspapers.today/another-bomb-explosion-hits-yola/
India has made the move I expected them to make. Go out to the world and show your products to potential customers, the world of arms export is full of competition, you sit down, you get sidelined.
India needs to ignore the fact that they have huge local demand and huge military budget/funds to buy their own local productions, if you do not export large scale, you find it hard to recover R & D costs and soon you run out of cash. South African Rooivalk helicopter factory had to close down due to lack of export customers.
Nigeria should also wake up from sleep and capitalize on the Indian offer of military cooperation, everybody needs help. China and Ukraine built their advanced defense industry on the wings of Russian help. Pakistan is building military industry with Chinese help.
South Africa built it’s world class sophisticated domestic missile development, manufacturing, and exporting industry with Israeli help in the 1960s to 1980s and now they use Brazilian joint venture. Today South Africa locally designs, builds, and exports thousands of advanced guided missiles all over the world including customers in Europe ! Some South African missiles are more advanced than what Russia currently has in the same category.
Nigeria should ask one most important thing from India….sell to us the technology to make missiles, starting with anti-tank guided missiles and shoulder held anti-aircraft missiles, we pay for the technology, same way India too got it from somewhere at a huge cost.
Everybody pays. No free lunch in Freetown.
Nigeria almost got missile technology from North Korea in 2004 when the Koreans made a generous once in a life time opportunity offer to us, we would have been a missile making giant by now but America commanded Nigeria to stop any deal with Korea and we obeyed as if we are bewitched. Yet America won’t teach us how to make a missile. The fear of America is the beginning of foolishness.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3438539.stm
So, let’s go full blast and get this technology from India, Nigeria is 55 years old and grey haired !
6 years of war with Boko Haram, Nigeria could not even build one small ATGM to knock out Shekau’s tanks, APC, Shilka AAA, we always need to import or die from lack and want….Presido Buhari, please do something.
My brother, my hopes are not high.
GEJ and his Oga Yar A dua had many faults but them go school. What that does for you is to broaden your mind to understand that technology is not witchcraft and even the black man if he goes through the right steps and processes he can produce an aeroplane.
That is why (from my admittedly narrow viewpoint) ‘coincidentally’, this last 8 years has seen more break throughs in home built military technology than the rest of our 40 something years put together (just count them on this blog and see).
You need a leader who is convinced that technological break through is possible. That is the only way he would be willing to divert say N500m from the capital budget and give it to DICON and say—– ‘have fun guys, doesnt matter if you fail’.
Until we are willing to do that (or something close to that) we will not get very far in home built technology military or otherwise.
I am not saying Buhari is not capable of doing this, just that my hopes of it are not high.
Indeed, Yar Adua (RIP) and GEJ have been the best for Nigeria. Under both men, we saw the greatest leaps in home based technology.
In their 8 years we began building ships, drones, LAV’s, oil rigs, oil industry ancillaries. Self belief began growing from Yar Adua’s conviction that we could participate better in our own oil sector; this led to the pursuit of the PIB and successful passing of Local Content laws, which in turn led to Nigerians manufacturing oil rigs locally.
GEJ’s years saw the take-off of our auto industry and an interest in local manufacture of weaponry amongst others, here is a quote from him:
“Recently, we wanted to buy tear-gas from a country and they were bragging and saying that Nigeria has human rights abuse issues. I kept wondering what is tear-gas? I vowed that God willing if I return, Nigeria must produce tear-gas,” he said.
“What is the technology of producing tear-gas for God’s sake? What is the technology of producing APCs and armoured tanks? I agree with you that in terms of manufacturing, we must and we have no choice than to get into it as a nation. That is why we are emphasising about local content in production; that you can witness in the automobile industry which has come back.”
http://africanleadership.co.uk/nigeria-well-catch-shekau-boko-haram-leader-before-elections-goodluck-jonathan/
We respect your minority opinion.
Without the private sector, making it a viable commercial enterprise it would fail or run out of funding ( it need to be able to generate funds when operational to sustain it’s self) , I have not seen any Nigerian private investor or companies invited by the Government to be part of this Manufacturing drive. Does the years of NITEL impunity and reign, a few years back (The almighty TOS, No line, Disconnect, Queues to make a call, 090 two city Mobile ) Vs The Private GSM success that has made communication no longer an issue in Nigeria, ring a bell. (This was even when some shameless persons made statements like, Telephone is not for the poor or cable TV and internet would corrupt minds.
Yet their are 14/16 year old students building rockets out of scrap materials, 11/12 year old secondary school students building computer Apps that is faster than google in their spare time out of boredorm, it has to be the older and expired generation of recycled civil and military leaders and decision makers and “leaders” that are stuck in the past that are holding progress down, So they did with mobile phones, So they did with banks, So they would have done with Ebola if not for fear of not having a clue on how to react and not get infected.
How many Nigerians know how vulnerable this country is to military incursion? How many Nigerians know that the country has NO air defence systems? How many Nigerians know that the NAF has little to know offensive capability to protect them? We are really lucky that Chad’s Mig-29s have a limited range.
Chad’s MiG-29 jets have good range, special version called MiG-29 S – Fulcrum C.
So we are not lucky as you said Oga Tobey, it’s not the limited range model, Chad is not a fool when it comes to buying weapons.
It’s the hunchback expanded internal fuel tank and extra avionics variant and also carries extra external drop tanks.
Chadian air force can now can fly from N’Djamena to Abuja non-stop and remain unquestionable by any country in our region, mighty mouse can come ask Buhari to pay up the monthly dollars for MNJTF, he can send a MiG-29 to show you who is now in control of West African air power and space….. approx 2,000 km flight range, 100 km radar range, 100 km BVR missile range….no other country in West Africa comes close.
This is sad. The Indian defence industry came to Nigeria and no one showed them the JAGS? Come on,they manufacture the stuff for all intents and purposes .At least let them set us up to repair and maintain the stuff. They know what we need,they fly the stuff, and can teach our pilots. Heck, we can get the Honeywell engines through them if the UK tries to slow us down. We tried to buy modified Su25’s at ridiculous prices but are not prepared to turnaround the Jag? Sad.
As for buying new western tech,that is like a puppet buying new strings for an old master.
This is sad. The Indian defence industry came to Nigeria and no one showed them the JAGS? Come on,they manufacture the stuff for all intents and purposes .At least let them set us up to repair and maintain the stuff. They know what we need,they fly the stuff, and can teach our pilots. , we can get the Honeywell engines through them if the UK tries to slow us down. We tried to buy modified Su25’s at ridiculous prices but are not prepared to turnaround the Jag? Sad.
As for buying new western tech,that is like a puppet buying new strings for an old master.
The people they met will not show them the jags. You read it your self , they were asked to showcase their products and services to all the arms of the forces.That is someone clearing his desk and hoping to retire with acquired assets and neck intact.
@All, the NAF TAC,was very busy today with fighter jets,flying out and flying in today.
The NAF received 13 units of Sepecat Jaguar SN single-seats and 5 units of BN dual-seat trainers,18 units in total, none did crash,so where are you getting 17 units from ?
17 are currently based in based in TAC, 16 beautiful birds in storage with 1 outside with the MiG-21s fighters,where the atmospheric condition is doing Justice to their body structure.
One Jaguar jet was transported to Training Command by road, and it is based there.
One Jaguar was lost in an exercise around Ibadan in the late 1980s, flown by a Colleague, Friend and great pilot. due to CTIF induced by low cloud during enroute transition to an exit point after low level recovery
The Jaguar is the most viable aircraft in the Nigerian arsenal, NAF would not be ever sold such an aircraft with such potentials by an Western Country, being a break away fighter, it can ignore all electronic counter measures and take the fight to it’s domain which is the ultra low , high speed penetration of the most sophisticated Air Defence system,employing only it’s design capability (not avionics) which is high speed at low level, giving the defence reduced reaction and detection time. this means the aircraft is as capable as the training provided to the pilots, Nigeria I believe also has a Cat simulator. the alpha jet was suppose to be a lead in fighter to the Jaguar, they have similar wing air frame configuration, allowing the pilots to amass flight time on a cheaper platform before proceeding to the front line platforms. For God sake let’s stop talking Textron Scorpion it is a none starter, not off the block in the shop or certifications
if it goes through i wont mind us getting our jags back on its feet
oga drag_on
You hit the nail on the head
The reason for not showing them the JAGUARS?
1) maybe they aresuch bad shape corrosion wise not worth the Effort of repair
2) Pakistan has solved/ given Nigeria PGMs where other countries including India held us at Flag Pole’s length for our FN-7
3) Pakistan may or may not be in Contention to sell Nigeria the JF-17 with SPARES LORD knows we have the Photographs to prove it
4) There is no doubt an extensive relationship between PAKISTAN & NIGERIA that reached beyond CDS level to Presidential level during GEJ’S tenure
5) While India has extensive biz relationships in Nigeria, Pakistan has EXTENSIVE Military relationship which is not based on RELIGION but more on pragmatisim, an example is the Nigerian Army special forces (infantry ) also had SF TRAINING just like India in PAKISTAN, ditto the Nigerian Navy.
Cyber generals, I believe it is only the Dual-seat Jaguar,NAF 702 that is left outside with the MiG-21 fighters,and it is in a very bad shape! It will need total rebuilding for it to fly safe and successfully again.
Oga gbash10, It can be exchanged or rebuilt in the Indian HAL facility and also equipped with new avionics, attack systems. the dual aircraft is a trainer necessary to covert the pilots and for re-currencies, Pls could you confirm if the simulator purchase/negotiated was actually operational..
Pakistan has given Nigeria PGMs ??
what PGMs
can u give some info on pakistan made PGMs because this is new for me.
lol and i thought i knew about pakistani made defence products.
Some of the current NAF top wings attended exchange program in Pakistan with their staff college and Air Force in the 80s, so the relationships are coming to fruition. We need ot remain and exploit being truly non aliance
Captain Tobias, CFIT- Controlled Flight Into Terrain. NAF also lost another Jaguar in the 80’s.
Some people genuinely think that the Jag Simulator last used in the very early 90’s would still be functional today? I remember Jerry Rawlings having a go in it in the 1980’s.
That Jags last flown over 20 years ago can be rehabilitated?
We couldn’t even bring the C-130s to life without the USAF and Marshall’s of Cambridge involvement.
In a land where we are not known for our maintenance skills.
I’ve been on this blog for over four years and the conversation periodically swings to the Jaguars, Su30’s, Tucanos et al.
Abeg, it’s Friday afternoon. Let’s move the narrative to the things we can do.
The conversation is ambivalent about refurbishing the Jaguars. What I am feeling is more a possibility of offloading two squadrons of Jarguars off India that is currently going Rafales.
Indian enterprises are booming in Nigeria. Indorama in Rivers State makes more than 60% of its global profits from Nigeria. There are Indian succeseses in Nigeria in utos and FMCG that is worthy of an MBA thesis. Let us leverage all that in the Defence arena especially now with a new Indian leader keen to play super power.
Two Nigerian Teens Create fast Web Browser ‘Crocodile Browser Lite
“Nigerian shipowners will receive 40 ships of various tonnage and class from their Greek counterparts. Ownership of the ships will eventually be transferred to Nigerian shipowners after a period of 24 months”
Good to see that Nigerian private sector no dey dull when it comes to recognizing sweet deals and opportunities owing to the economic travails of Greece at this moment. Nigerian entrepreneurs never go carry last.
http://www.punchng.com/business/maritime/nigerian-greek-shipowners-agree-on-vessel-acquisition/
http://reportsafrique.com/2015/07/brave-naval-officer-ensured-he-died-alone-after-discovering-landmine-while-fighting-boko-haram-in-borno
Unrelated but this is trending
Rest in Peace A warrior to the END.
R.I.P. Nigerian hero. An SBS or regular?
Rest in peace Warrior!!!
Oga Oje, Pls you must give up on Nigeria for the sake of people like this naval warrior, it shows we still have them, the decision he took was that of the Ultimate warrior and his purpose must not be in vain, We must recognize that he took that action on the front line to protect his mates and also all of us on this blog, it is because of young men like him, that we still have our homes and families intact in the unaffected part of the country, Fighters like him are the reason that some of us outside do not receive heart breaking letters and news from home, remember his name, keep him in our prayers, do not every forget him in your thoughts. we still have a future with people like him around., The expired products would come of the self soon, if the young children “Crocodile website” above can produce those magnificent feats with their computer, we cannot afford to give up on them. The better day is still to come. Re-focus your anger and keep writing
Talk to the leaders of this country not me. I cannot influence things on the ground no matter what i say here.
Prahaar is a highly manoeuvrable precision strike, surface-to-surface tactical missile capable of being fired in salvo mode is all set to extend the reach of artillery fire to over 150 kilometers. It is comparable to the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) of the United States.
The Prahaar Missile system is developed to provide Indian Army a cost effective, quick reaction, all weather, all terrain, high accurate battle field support tactical system. The Missile system is developed to provide Indian Army a cost effective, quick reaction, all weather, all terrain, high accurate battle field support tactical system.
The 150 km range ‘Prahaar’ is a single stage missile and is fuelled by solid propellants. The uniqueness of the missile system is that “in one salvo, six missiles can be fired with multiple targets,” said a scientist associated with this project.
The mobile launch platform will carry six missiles, which can have different kind of warheads meant for different targets and can be fired in salvo mode in all directions covering the entire azimuth plane.It is being equipped with omni-directional warheads and could be used for striking both tactical and strategic targets with a high degree of accuracy of less than 5 m.
India has developed a new tactical surface-to-surface missile ‘Pragati’ with a range between 60-170 km and for export to friendly countries. The new missile is based on the Prahaar missile developed by the DRDO for the Army and can be termed as its export variant with minor differences. Pragati export version (max 170km range) shown during South Korean arms expo in 2013 details that 2, 4 and 6-missile configurations are available for mounting on 6×6, 8×8 and 12×12 vehicles respectively.
can buy it off shelve and and also use it as base to kick start missile development as a joint venture.
Abeg nobody should mention jaguar jet… Its already old and obsolete lets talk about something better.
BTW i never knew that the NAF has special force units. At training command kaduna some guys just came back from belarus for SF training and are already deployed to the FLs
Old and obsolete?. The Jaguars we are talking about are re-jigged and specialised. They can do what F7s cannot do in the ground attack area. Against Boko it would be scary . The jaguar has above 800km range carries 4500 kg of weapons and against a conventional enemy all they will notice is that it disappears from radar then minutes later it at roof tops at supersonic speed dropping bomblets and it is gone again in seconds. Even in its day it was rated above Migs and Mirages. The Indians have now updated all its systems including adoing a good radar which is not even necessary for what it does especially when you have ATR 42 and good encryptable airborne radios.
@Trigger,what do you mean by the Jaguar being old and obsolete?Do you even know how old are our Alpha jets,C-130 and G222 aircrafts ?
You need to see those birds before you comment negatively about them,for the sake of national pride!
@gbash10. Whilst not holding brief for Trigger but you mention the Alphas, C130s and G222 aircraft (not aircrafts,). All the aforementioned planes were not grounded for as long as the Jaguars. Do you really think that people in the high echelon of the NAF would not have considered this option? Why have the NAF tried to sell the planes on many occasions in the past (search online for historic adverts for some seriously low time Jags)
Yet, people here rehash this time and again.
What does national pride have to do with stating the obvious?
in the previous thread somebody mentioned the LCA
so i am going to explain what LCA means to india
For India, the LCA project was aimed at staging a comeback into the arena of aircraft R & D (after a 25-year gap) and creating a supporting an industrial eco-system that would own the majority of the IPRs generated by this R & D effort.
The spinoffs of this effort can today be seen in the Su-30MKI project & the projected Super Su-30MKI project & the Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 programme & in future the Tejas Mk2 project.
The JF-17 on the other hand does not exemplify any such military-industrial objectives. It’s a product of a commercial deal involving China-origin R & D, with Pakistan benefitting from aircraft deliveries in flyaway condition.
The Tejas Mk1 as it exists today is a superlative LIFT as well as an all-weather ground-attack aircraft when equipped with Litening-2 LDP & today it can be armed with a range of low-cost & lightweight PGMs for carrying out close air-support missions.On the other hand, the JF-17 can can do is lob only gravity bombs (for ground attack missions) & it has yet to demonstrate its ability to fire PGMs that are targetted by the WMD-7 LDP.
more ever India is also trying to seek US approval for integrating the F414 turbofan with the KLIVT TVC nozzle developed by Russia’s Klimov JSC. This is because the KLIVT will also in future find its way on board the MiG-29UPGs & MiG-29Ks. Whether or not the US gives approval to GE Aero Engines to share F414-related design data with Klimov JSC remains to be seen.So this then leaves only 1 option ie adoption of the Eurojet consortium’s TVC nozzle, which will be acceptable to the US.either way TVC and LEVCONS/CARNARDS is confirmed for LCA mk2.
so LCA mk1 will fulfill the role of LIFT/ ground attack aircraft armed with multiple weapon ejectors and LCA mk2 with TVC and carnards will end up very close to a high manuverable near 5 th gen multi role aircraft (near 5 gen. because of its small size and on going aerodynamic refinements and high use of composite materials gives it very low RCS plus strong electronic warfare suite comprising of french israeli south african and indian tech helps to incorporate and emulate sensor fusion. )
also Russia-origin turbofans have TTSLs of 2,000 hours, but Western turbofans have TTSLs exceeding 5,000 hours. Even the turbofans being developed by China haven’t been able to exceed the 2,000-hour service-life figure. so in wartime the operational availability of higher TTSL equipped engines will be more.
Automobile major Tata Motors on Friday said it has bagged an order to supply around 1,200 trucks to the Indian Army.According to the company, the order is the single largest awarded to an Indian private OEM (original equipment manufacturers) in land systems under the DPP (defence procurement procedure) by the Indian Army.
The Tata Motors` 6X6 high mobility all-terrain all-wheel-drive vehicle is envisaged to be used as `material handling cranes` for loading-unloading and transportation of ammunition pallets, spares and other operational equipment.
The statement said the truck has been developed indigenously and has completed a total trial duration of 25 months, demonstrating maximum performance in the most demanding conditions.
Designed to cope with extreme on- or off-road loads, these vehicle have gone through trials like water-fording, on cross-country terrains and plains and at VRDE`s (Vehicle Research and Development Establishment) torture track.
Other unique feature of the vehicle includes central tire inflation system (CTIS) for mobility in soft sand desert conditions.
The CTIS allows the driver to adjust the tyre pressure from his seat. The system provides the vehicle with better traction on different types of surfaces, especially when carrying vital and heavy loads.
The statement added that the vehicle-cabin is modular with HVAC (heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) and is fully-ready for up-armouring.
The vehicle is capable of achieving sustained speeds of 40 km per hour on severe cross-country terrains.
u see private – govt partnership is the way to go.
govt provides land and other facilities and private companies provide the tech. and production facilities.since buracratic red tape is minimum in private sector therefore u have faster turnaround and are able to field high tech .capable systems faster and at less costs.
nigeria needs this kind of initiative to get of to a good start.
either from private companies based in nigeria or by FDI from friendly countries.
Akash? Na (why not the Barak 2)
Upgrade FH77s, yea
Jags, can’t say, perhaps yea if the brit will let us and if india wants (especially for attrition replacement). But then, selling to India and buying from Pakistan? Hmm
Oga Are, hahahaha. Chicken/tomato farmers.
Oga Lachit, can India really build and export jag, thought the license was 4 local consumption. If u ask me, its the LCA that I really hoped for but u guys broke my heart
Oga Jimmy, I agree with u, even though I tend to tilt 2wards India, we must find a handle on how we deal with India and Pakistan. We also must not 4get that Pakistan has been a good partner, politics aside
Oga Bharat, on point
Oga Deway, that it has an American engine doesn’t mean its not made in Brazil
Oga Augustine, on point all the way (though Ukraine didn’t build their defense industry on the wings of Russia (but the Soviet Union with their industrial zoning strategy)
@ Oga Drag_on Honeywell is an American coy
“As for buying new
western tech,that is like a
puppet buying new
strings for an old master”
Cool. Pls permit me to use this?
Oh Capt, right hand raised to the eye brow. Superb summary
barak 2 better option but expensive
still barak 2 plus point is that it can target platforms from very low atitudes of 500m to 70km something not present in similiar chinese and russian systems and dont have info on similiar us systems.
also on strategic level barak 2 and its derivatives are going to be main stay of air land sea defence grid of india so india might hesitate because of risks of china/pakistan laying/getting hands on it.maybe a toned down version will released for export.
i am just trying to be realistic because these issues will come up during sale to any country.